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Will you resist the taking of your GUNS by the Government with Fire Power?

Yes
6 (54.5%)
No
5 (45.5%)

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Voting closed: February 07, 2013, 07:07:50 PM

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Offline The Stranger

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Gun Confiscation
« on: January 08, 2013, 07:07:50 PM »
Just wondering how many of US TOUGH guys really would fight off gun confiscation by the Government with Fire Power, Actually sit in your living room and say know then shoot back if fired upon.
Remember you may have kids and a wife near by.


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Re: Gun Confiscation
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2013, 07:24:42 PM »
I"m honest enough to say, NO.

No sense in being a dead martyr, when you can be a live counter-revolutionary.

He will be victorious who knows when to fight and when not to fight.

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Re: Gun Confiscation
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2013, 08:15:23 PM »
Of course much depends on the situation, whether we know thy are coming, or is it a surprise search.
In my case I'd be as tactical as possible, but if forced, I'd have no qualms of firing back.
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Re: Gun Confiscation
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2013, 08:33:21 PM »
Of course much depends on the situation, whether we know thy are coming, or is it a surprise search.
In my case I'd be as tactical as possible, but if forced, I'd have no qualms of firing back.

IF... I had a gun  :rolleyes: there is over 6000 to 12000 + acres of land just out side my door.    :popcorn:
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Re: Gun Confiscation
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2013, 12:47:08 AM »
I have to agree with Walks.  I'm not going to admit that we have guns but if coerced enough I might report the one I met them at the door with. 

I would have to argue that, until it gets changed or overturned, SC residents have the right to keep a gun if they register it and  get a permit.  This right coming from the rule of protecting your home, family, property from intruders because your home is your last place of retreat from such invasiveness.
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Re: Gun Confiscation
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2013, 03:37:22 AM »
That would be suicide.

As the federal government continues to become more intrusive, I would, however, take part in a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state.

Given our very recent history, all 50 states should be forming these units as we speak.

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Re: Gun Confiscation
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2013, 03:01:06 PM »
Resist...yes, with fire power no...stupid...unless you got the entire National Guard from the State of ____________behind you.

Simple, bury your guns or hide them in such a manner that no one can find them.

You can't take what you can't find.

In case you are wondering about Govt confiscation....Good Luck Obamao.

There are 300 Million guns in the US spread out among about 15 Million gunowners.

There are 1 Million Law Enforcement Officers in the USA. (Most of whom don't like the Feds and more who privately own some of the weapons that they are trying to Ban)

from experience, it takes 6 to 8 Man hours to obtain a FEDERAL search warrant, developing probable cause, can take longer, writting the affidavit and getting the US  Attorney to sign off then taking it to the judge in chambers. Once you have all the sigs reporting to the clerk of the court to file copies etc. (You need to bring the 'return' her within so many hours.)

Now actual execution can take an 8 hour shift, considering that Federal search warrants MAY NOT be served between the hours of Midnight and 6 AM unless special circumstances exist (More paperwork from  the Judge).

Preparation, surveillance of the location and at last execution of the warrant....I used to use 8 to10 man team for entry depending on the size off the structure.

A Typical DC Federal Housing apartment with three bedrooms takes about 2 1/2 to 3 hours to search thoroughly, A three story row house about 3-4 hours.

 record witnesses present, bag and tag evidence, photo it then interviewing and deciding on arrests.

Arrest somebody and it takes 2 hours to process them then you got to do the reutrns on the warrants and arrest paperwork for the next presentation of court (9 AM).

Now figure all the manhours invested in a simple search warrant execution, double it for arrests and evidence processing for court.
Obamao should be able to get all the guns out of the hands of American citizens in about 34 years...... :lol:

Factor in how many Federal Agents you got, how many warrants you got to get and how many households in America you got to hit to get 300 Million guns,,,,how many people you going to lock up? Where you going to fit them all?
:popcorn:

Now factor in local resisitience from Local Cops, Sheriffs magistrates and others.
 :popcorn:

factor in all the lawsuits, wrong arrest suits, excessive force suits and
reversals of the search warrant based upon probable cause that says you are recorded as having a firearm.....oh yeah...you didn't find a firearm did you,,,,faulty PC, faulty warrant, I'm suing and I'm Winning.


You still think the federal Govt is going to be able to confiscate "our" guns?
 :popcorn:

They know they can't,

look at the wonderful job they did with 11 Million illegal aliens.

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Re: Gun Confiscation
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2013, 05:13:41 PM »
Resist...yes, with fire power no...stupid...unless you got the entire National Guard from the State of ____________behind you.

Simple, bury your guns or hide them in such a manner that no one can find them.

You can't take what you can't find.

In case you are wondering about Govt confiscation....Good Luck Obamao.

There are 300 Million guns in the US spread out among about 15 Million gunowners.

There are 1 Million Law Enforcement Officers in the USA. (Most of whom don't like the Feds and more who privately own some of the weapons that they are trying to Ban)

from experience, it takes 6 to 8 Man hours to obtain a FEDERAL search warrant, developing probable cause, can take longer, witting the affidavit and getting the US  Attorney to sign off then taking it to the judge in chambers. Once you have all the sigs reporting to the clerk of the court to file copies etc. (You need to bring the 'return' her within so many hours.)

Now actual execution can take an 8 hour shift, considering that Federal search warrants MAY NOT be served between the hours of Midnight and 6 AM unless special circumstances exist (More paperwork from  the Judge).

Preparation, surveillance of the location and at last execution of the warrant....I used to use 8 to10 man team for entry depending on the size off the structure.

A Typical DC Federal Housing apartment with three bedrooms takes about 2 1/2 to 3 hours to search thoroughly, A three story row house about 3-4 hours.

 record witnesses present, bag and tag evidence, photo it then interviewing and deciding on arrests.

Arrest somebody and it takes 2 hours to process them then you got to do the reutrns on the warrants and arrest paperwork for the next presentation of court (9 AM).

Now figure all the manhours invested in a simple search warrant execution, double it for arrests and evidence processing for court.
Obamao should be able to get all the guns out of the hands of American citizens in about 34 years...... :lol:

Factor in how many Federal Agents you got, how many warrants you got to get and how many households in America you got to hit to get 300 Million guns,,,,how many people you going to lock up? Where you going to fit them all?
:popcorn:

Now factor in local resisitience from Local Cops, Sheriffs magistrates and others.
 :popcorn:

factor in all the lawsuits, wrong arrest suits, excessive force suits and
reversals of the search warrant based upon probable cause that says you are recorded as having a firearm.....oh yeah...you didn't find a firearm did you,,,,faulty PC, faulty warrant, I'm suing and I'm Winning.


You still think the federal Govt is going to be able to confiscate "our" guns?
 :popcorn:

They know they can't,

look at the wonderful job they did with 11 Million illegal aliens.

 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Since when does the Obama administration do things by the book?

They don't recognize constitutional rules. It's beginning to look like they don't even recognize congress.

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Re: Gun Confiscation
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2013, 08:06:45 PM »
Exactly Kramarat!

I also think that Billy has far too much faith in the resistance of local law enforcement.

Obama is too smart to put out a blanket statement that says in effect, "We are going to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens for no good reason!"

No, the order will be to confiscate guns from dangerous persons for the good of society.  I think most (if not all) cops, local, state, and federal will have no problem following orders like that. The few that do refuse will be fired and possibly jailed.

Oh, and btw, anyone who owns a gun will be labeled a "dangerous person".

Just sayin'...

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Re: Gun Confiscation
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2013, 09:26:20 PM »
Since when does the Obama administration do things by the book?

They don't recognize constitutional rules. It's beginning to look like they don't even recognize congress.

They don't...but remember, they got to pay for that stuff....how they gonna do that? Such a MASSIVE enforcement effort costs money.

And there are TOO Many layers between Obamao and the Feds coming thru your (my) door for this harebrained scheme of theirs to work.

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Re: Gun Confiscation
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2013, 09:35:33 PM »
They don't...but remember, they got to pay for that stuff....how they gonna do that? Such a MASSIVE enforcement effort costs money.

And there are TOO Many layers between Obamao and the Feds coming thru your (my) door for this harebrained scheme of theirs to work.

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Re: Gun Confiscation
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2013, 09:41:31 PM »
Exactly Kramarat!

I also think that Billy has far too much faith in the resistance of local law enforcement.

Billy is a realist, I've been out of the profession for a while but I keep my finger on the pulse of things. You'd be surprised what cops talk about in the locker room and the donut shop.... :wink:

Obama is too smart to put out a blanket statement that says in effect, "We are going to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens for no good reason!"

True, he is going to try and outlaw scarey looking guns first and go after gun shops that stock them up front...until they take the case to court and the Govt loses...then it is back to square one...with a few million in lawsuits to keep Holder Busy.


No, the order will be to confiscate guns from dangerous persons for the good of society.  I think most (if not all) cops, local, state, and federal will have no problem following orders like that. The few that do refuse will be fired and possibly jailed.

Jailed?..."refuse"...HAH, All they have to do is report in sick that is a tactic we used to call "blue flu" when management was being assholes...AND the union will protect them...public sector unions are like that, there are so many ways to monkey wrench any enforcment efforts just using Dept policy and mandates its incredible.

Stop and think a minute...you mean the LOCAL cops might start going after REAL CRIMINALS, illegal aliens, gangs and all the Obamao supporters slinging dope in the hood like it's 1990...You mean the Black Panthers (who always threaten local cops) might have their door busted in the middle of the night and dragged off to jail....You mean they might start to go after the constituency in Chicago where they got a bumper crop of street homicides with guns?...cool. :popcorn:

 

Oh, and btw, anyone who owns a gun will be labeled a "dangerous person".

Just sayin'...


Anyone being about 15 million people? Right.... :lol:

Now were back to square one with the cops, local sheriff, retired etc....
Back to the donut shop where we overhear this conversation.....

"you know they are coming after our guns when we get done with the real crooks, now my wife and kid won't be able to protect herself while I'm working the midnight shift"

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Re: Gun Confiscation
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2013, 02:26:38 AM »
They don't...but remember, they got to pay for that stuff....how they gonna do that? Such a MASSIVE enforcement effort costs money.

And there are TOO Many layers between Obamao and the Feds coming thru your (my) door for this harebrained scheme of theirs to work.

Billy

They won't come and bust down our doors. We're talking about radical leftists; they'll do something underhanded.

I don't know........tax bullets so they cost $100 a piece or something. They will be pulling some kind of BS; I just don't know what it is yet. It won't be kicking down doors though.

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Re: Gun Confiscation
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2013, 05:14:53 AM »
I had to comment on the local whether or not they would follow such orders. Remember they still have their GUNS and most are on power trips.
I have asked this question many mnay times and kind of never get a straight answer so here goes.
Who hasn't known an officer who has given a ticket they know wasn't warranted?
So what is the difference between a Law Enforcement Officer who would do such a thing and a common criminal who would hold you up for a thousand dollars?
I know several officers and a few would lie in court about anything and have in the past. If they lie about a simple ticket they will do anything and have no conscious.
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Re: Gun Confiscation
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2013, 05:27:41 AM »
I had to comment on the local whether or not they would follow such orders. Remember they still have their GUNS and most are on power trips.
I have asked this question many mnay times and kind of never get a straight answer so here goes.
Who hasn't known an officer who has given a ticket they know wasn't warranted?
So what is the difference between a Law Enforcement Officer who would do such a thing and a common criminal who would hold you up for a thousand dollars?
I know several officers and a few would lie in court about anything and have in the past. If they lie about a simple ticket they will do anything and have no conscious.

I know, and have known several cops. Much like the rest of society, the old breed, (that had common sense), are dying off and retiring.

The new breed, combined with local government, are primarily in the business of revenue collection through fines and tickets. There are still a lot of good ones out there, but as a whole, they suck.

And yes...................many of the young ones are very enamored with the sense of power they now have.

 

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