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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2013, 10:19:38 PM »
Cristie is just another lyin' pol. Just up-sized.
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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2013, 01:20:51 AM »
Thar She blows...the White Whale, Harpoon the b'stid Mateys!!!!

Christie jumping around Like Obamao's lap dog is bad enough but I'll never forget his stance on locking some guy up who moved into the state with a secured pistol locked in his car trunk.

That and appointing some Muslim Judge to the bench.

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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2013, 04:23:57 AM »
Many houses and businesses destroyed were not right on the beach.  Also, this storm was not of the type that a reasonable person would have expected, so your questioning the intelligence of people not being adequately covered by insurance is not reasonable.  In many of the communities such as Sea Bright, structures that had stood for decades and are now wiped out.  I'm not making a case for blanket tax dollars.  Alternate means such as SBA loans have been used in the past.  But sitting back and denigrating those people is not right.  (If you do denigrate those in NJ, then it would logically apply to those in other areas like Staten Island.)

Giles is spot on and they do sit and wait for the next storm, not only along the coast lines but inland as well.  Ever heard of tornado alley?  You gotta' remember what is said by doing things over and hoping for different results, it's insanity.  I have heard accounts of how many times certain folks have made it out of one of these disasters by the skin of their teeth only to go right back and start rebuilding.  In an area that is prone for such disasters, I would have to consider the needs of my family over my dream to live in such a place.
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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2013, 05:24:35 AM »
The average price for a home in Mantoloking, NJ is $900,000.00 so you know what I don't feel sorry for them and I shouldn't have to pay for them to rebuild in a place that's been flooded before and will again. Average price in Sea Bright over a Million. These are two communities that were named and don't include the homes on the Ocean and Bay that sell for several MILLION.
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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2013, 05:47:46 AM »
I have to agree.

I sent $50 to the Red Cross for Katrina. It was all I could afford, and I knew it was going to the people that needed it.

There is no reason for people that live in Wyoming to be expected to pay their earned dollars, (through government), to help hurricane victims, through taxation. The government spends most of the money on administration, (or pork), with very little going to the people that need it.

The states that have coastal areas, as well as the states in tornado alley, as well as states that live in earthquake zones...............have a responsibility of their own to prepare for disasters; as do the individual communities and the owners of homes and businesses.

There's a word for having a centalized government taking care of everything.............it's called "socialism", and it's never succeeded in the long term.

From the Red Cross' own mouth...
The president and CEO of the American Red Cross is Gail McGovern, and her base salary has remained $500,000—
http://www.redcross.org/news/press-release/Red-Cross-Statement-on-Inaccurate-Viral-Email-on-Charity-CEO-Pay

Take it as a fifty dollar lesson, but your heart is in the right place. :thumbup:
Try one from this list.
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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2013, 05:51:14 AM »
Thar She blows...the White Whale, Harpoon the b'stid Mateys!!!!

Christie jumping around Like Obamao's lap dog is bad enough but I'll never forget his stance on locking some guy up who moved into the state with a secured pistol locked in his car trunk.

That and appointing some Muslim Judge to the bench.

Billy
Crap, that was Christies state?
Talk about picking a stupid DA, Christie should have pardoned the guy on the spot.
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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2013, 02:16:24 PM »
For the third time, I stated that I was not advocating any taxpayer bailout, so it seems your reading comprehension is a challenge along with your little potty mouth.  Also a hurricane like Sandy is not a common storm.  Maybe you didn't know that.
Well than what are you advocating? It's not my fault if a number of people here seem to have "misinterpreted" what you were trying to say. Perhaps the trouble isn't with my reading comprehension, but the manner in which you stated it. BTW, I spent a little bit of time in the Marine Corps, my "little potty mouth" is an attempt on my part, to be reasonably civil to someone who doesn't deserve it. Were I to really go off on you, your screen would burst into flames!
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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2013, 02:31:55 PM »
From the Red Cross' own mouth...
The president and CEO of the American Red Cross is Gail McGovern, and her base salary has remained $500,000—
http://www.redcross.org/news/press-release/Red-Cross-Statement-on-Inaccurate-Viral-Email-on-Charity-CEO-Pay

Take it as a fifty dollar lesson, but your heart is in the right place. :thumbup:
Try one from this list.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/23/charities-most-efficient-personal-finance-charity-09-efficiency_slide_2.html


I don't know for sure if it was the Red Cross. I don't remember who it was, but they were fully vetted, and I knew my $50 was going directly to the victims. Nobody gets my money, without me knowing exactly where it is going.

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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2013, 02:35:06 PM »
Well than what are you advocating? It's not my fault if a number of people here seem to have "misinterpreted" what you were trying to say. Perhaps the trouble isn't with my reading comprehension, but the manner in which you stated it. BTW, I spent a little bit of time in the Marine Corps, my "little potty mouth" is an attempt on my part, to be reasonably civil to someone who doesn't deserve it. Were I to really go off on you, your screen would burst into flames!

You're too funny.  I'll do it by numbers.  Maybe it will be easier.

1) I did not advocate any specific remedy other than suggest SBA loans have been used before with the implication that they might be a possibility.

2) I did not see anyone here besides you misinterpret what I said.  A few agreed with you that taxpayer dollars should not be used, but they did not assume, unlike you, that I advocated the contrary.

3) My major point was the discussion of insurance coverage for extreme events - not repeating that.

4) I don't know or care what your military background taught you, but mine both as a military person and a civilian contractor working with active military, taught me to respond to issues logically rather than emotionally.  Well equipped to be extremely biting in my language but generally avoid it because it does not further the message and generally the would-be recipient is not worth me lowering myself.

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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2013, 02:55:20 PM »
It wasn't clear to me either.....

Many houses and businesses destroyed were not right on the beach.
Understood.

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  Also, this storm was not of the type that a reasonable person would have expected, so your questioning the intelligence of people not being adequately covered by insurance is not reasonable.
If you do not have insurance to cover catastrophes like this, then you are rolling the dice.  Hurricanes have crept up the coastline in the past.  This isn't the first one.

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  In many of the communities such as Sea Bright, structures that had stood for decades and are now wiped out.  I'm not making a case for blanket tax dollars.
You are qualifying "tax dollars" with "blanket", i.e., you _could_ be advocating tax dollars for special situations.

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  Alternate means such as SBA loans have been used in the past.
SBA is stolen tax dollars, and even though it has been used in the past doesn't make it right.

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  But sitting back and denigrating those people is not right.  (If you do denigrate those in NJ, then it would logically apply to those in other areas like Staten Island.)
The people who were covered were smart.  The people who were not covered are dumb.
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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2013, 03:03:55 PM »
It wasn't clear to me either.....
Understood.
If you do not have insurance to cover catastrophes like this, then you are rolling the dice.  Hurricanes have crept up the coastline in the past.  This isn't the first one.
You are qualifying "tax dollars" with "blanket", i.e., you _could_ be advocating tax dollars for special situations.
SBA is stolen tax dollars, and even though it has been used in the past doesn't make it right.
The people who were covered were smart.  The people who were not covered are dumb.

Even if you could make that interpretation because of the word "blanket", I stated 2 times later that I was not in favor of using tax dollars.  The guy was just trying to quibble.

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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2013, 03:08:03 PM »
Even if you could make that interpretation because of the word "blanket", I stated 2 times later that I was not in favor of using tax dollars.  The guy was just trying to quibble.

What about SBA?
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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #42 on: January 04, 2013, 03:20:07 PM »
What about SBA?

It has been used before for disaster situations, so I was just raising it as a possibility.  I did not say it should be used.  I realize such loans can put taxpayer dollars at risk, but if the reaction was to my just mentioning it as a possibility led to the hissy-fit, it was an over-reaction.

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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2013, 03:29:14 PM »
It has been used before for disaster situations, so I was just raising it as a possibility.  I did not say it should be used.  I realize such loans can put taxpayer dollars at risk, but if the reaction was to my just mentioning it as a possibility led to the hissy-fit, it was an over-reaction.

I get upset too at offering the theft of our money as a possibility.  I can understand.  Stealing our property is never an acceptable "possibility".
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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2013, 04:10:32 PM »
Crap, that was Christies state?
Talk about picking a stupid DA, Christie should have pardoned the guy on the spot.

NJ state troopers apparently have a problem with HR 218 which is a FEDERAL LAW that allows for former cops to carry anywhere as A former colleague of mine moving back to NJ found out.
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