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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2013, 01:16:03 PM »
Again why isn't the GOP yelling and screaming about the Billions and Pork. WTF is it with them. So now they're going to pass a bill that is pork ridden! :cursing: :sad: :confused: :angry:

Oblamer just passed a cliff bill with billions for Hollywood if he was so worried about NJ why didn't he add some money for the NE?

Two reasons:

1. Because Republicans are idiots

2. Because Republicans are getting just as much pork as the Democrats

Next question... :rolleyes:
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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2013, 02:08:20 PM »
If he is planning on running for president it certainly is not going to be in the Republican party.  His most recent tirade against the party is probably pushing things a bit too far.  Of course the Republican party is becoming more and more like the Dem party and viewing other boards all the conservatives are registering as either independents or libertarians.   

He sounded like a whiny Dem during his rant. I see him changing parties before he runs again for gov.  He is doing a good job for the state which is important and if he is a Dem he can stay there as long as the state lets him.  Not sure if they have term limits there.  But clearly he is not a good standing member of a party that theoretically stands for lower taxes and less government.   

I thought that Christie was a decent conservative, but it turns out that he was only a logical, common sense guy on fiscal matters, but completely open to anything that benefits him & his in all other matters.

He ends up looking rather liberal socially, and more than willing to help the Obama campaign if it means a payoff for NJ.  Now he's raging about a principled GOP stand against loading up disaster relief with unrelated pork, so he really does look just about as conservative as, oh...........Specter, Snow, Boehner, etc.

Too bad, I thought he was one of the bright spots for the future, but obviously not.  We've lost too many presumptive standard bearers in the last year.  The allure of the WH parties, golf outings, bailouts, other federal windfalls, etc.........must be too strong to resist and keep any core values.

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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2013, 02:09:00 PM »
Many houses and businesses destroyed were not right on the beach.  Also, this storm was not of the type that a reasonable person would have expected, so your questioning the intelligence of people not being adequately covered by insurance is not reasonable.  In many of the communities such as Sea Bright, structures that had stood for decades and are now wiped out.  I'm not making a case for blanket tax dollars.  Alternate means such as SBA loans have been used in the past.  But sitting back and denigrating those people is not right.  (If you do denigrate those in NJ, then it would logically apply to those in other areas like Staten Island.)
Hmmmm. How should I put this - BULLSHIT. Live on Long Island. I have some Idea of the dangers of building by the sea shore. I don't care what you lost to Sandie, that happens to be one of the disadvantages of living by the sea shore. I'm sure that the homes and businesses that are down on the shore aren't inviting total strangers down to take advantage of living there, so don't expect those same total strangers to reimburse you when some of those advantages turn around. Perhaps I'm simply tired of people feeling sorry for other people, and making themselves feel better by throwing tax dollars at them. AND the problem with this bill is how little of it is Sandie relief and how much of it is solid pork.
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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2013, 02:19:35 PM »
Hmmmm. How should I put this - BULLSHIT. Live on Long Island. I have some Idea of the dangers of building by the sea shore. I don't care what you lost to Sandie, that happens to be one of the disadvantages of living by the sea shore. I'm sure that the homes and businesses that are down on the shore aren't inviting total strangers down to take advantage of living there, so don't expect those same total strangers to reimburse you when some of those advantages turn around. Perhaps I'm simply tired of people feeling sorry for other people, and making themselves feel better by throwing tax dollars at them. AND the problem with this bill is how little of it is Sandie relief and how much of it is solid pork.
Ya know, this really frosts my ass, when did it become the Feds responsibility to bail out States that have really bad storms, or fires, floods etc?
I'm from the old school that if you want to live on a boat, then you better have a damned raft in case it sinks, live in the forest, clear your property of brush and trees by the house, live on the sea shore....screw it, you're on your own unless you can afford the insurance.
But whining that the Govt wasn't there to kiss your boo boo is Bull Shit!
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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2013, 03:09:59 PM »
Can't have Marxism without a nanny state.  That is all.

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« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2013, 03:30:38 PM »
Can't have Marxism without a nanny state.  That is all.
To turn a phrase, "were a kinder gentler" kind of Marxism....
I about puked when Bush said that.
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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2013, 03:50:57 PM »
Hmmmm. How should I put this - BULLSHIT. Live on Long Island. I have some Idea of the dangers of building by the sea shore. I don't care what you lost to Sandie, that happens to be one of the disadvantages of living by the sea shore. I'm sure that the homes and businesses that are down on the shore aren't inviting total strangers down to take advantage of living there, so don't expect those same total strangers to reimburse you when some of those advantages turn around. Perhaps I'm simply tired of people feeling sorry for other people, and making themselves feel better by throwing tax dollars at them. AND the problem with this bill is how little of it is Sandie relief and how much of it is solid pork.

I'm not going to belabor this issue with you.  Just a couple of points.  First, I did not advocate the use of taxpayer funds to bail anyone out.  That seems to be the focus of your wrath, so you can keep your coarse language.  Second, there were houses and businesses that suffered major damage that were some distance from a shoreline and would not have logically expected such damage.  Third, even the houses close to the shore, many having stood for decades before being destroyed, so it would be understandable if the owners did not consider it likely that the house would experience a total loss.  The likelihood of the damage especially for the houses away from the shore might be the same likelihood as your house getting destroyed by an earthquake.  Assume you don't have coverage for that.

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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2013, 04:11:01 PM »
I'm not going to belabor this issue with you.  Just a couple of points.  First, I did not advocate the use of taxpayer funds to bail anyone out.  That seems to be the focus of your wrath, so you can keep your coarse language.  Second, there were houses and businesses that suffered major damage that were some distance from a shoreline and would not have logically expected such damage.  Third, even the houses close to the shore, many having stood for decades before being destroyed, so it would be understandable if the owners did not consider it likely that the house would experience a total loss.  The likelihood of the damage especially for the houses away from the shore might be the same likelihood as your house getting destroyed by an earthquake.  Assume you don't have coverage for that.

I can sort of understand his wrath. I live in central NC, and pay higher insurance rates, so that the people that live by the beach don't have to pay ultra high premiums. At the same time, many of the beaches have started installing parking meters, or have become private meccas for the wealthy. As you can imagine, as a lowly peon, I think that my taxes and higher insurance rates should entitle me to spend some time at the beach without having to pay extra, or be disallowed because I am not an owner.

The government shouldn't be bailing anyone out; at least not with free money.

If the government puts money into the rebuilding, it should be recouped from the insurance companies of those that had insurance, and should be considered a low interest, (1.5%), loan to those that didn't. That way, rebuilding begins quickly, and the cost to the taxpayer is zilch.

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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2013, 04:56:45 PM »
I'm not going to belabor this issue with you.  Just a couple of points.  First, I did not advocate the use of taxpayer funds to bail anyone out.  That seems to be the focus of your wrath, so you can keep your coarse language.  Second, there were houses and businesses that suffered major damage that were some distance from a shoreline and would not have logically expected such damage.  Third, even the houses close to the shore, many having stood for decades before being destroyed, so it would be understandable if the owners did not consider it likely that the house would experience a total loss.  The likelihood of the damage especially for the houses away from the shore might be the same likelihood as your house getting destroyed by an earthquake.  Assume you don't have coverage for that.
These days buildings in earthquake zones are built to withstand earthquakes. And unlike earthquakes, storms are a common, foreseeable,  risk of living near the shore. BTW, I don't particularly give a damn about your dislike of my coarse language. You can expect profanity when you're caught reaching into someone else's pocket. Voluntary contributions to some kind of relief fund is one thing, demands for my tax dollars are another.
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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2013, 05:13:18 PM »
These days buildings in earthquake zones are built to withstand earthquakes. And unlike earthquakes, storms are a common, foreseeable,  risk of living near the shore. BTW, I don't particularly give a damn about your dislike of my coarse language. You can expect profanity when you're caught reaching into someone else's pocket. Voluntary contributions to some kind of relief fund is one thing, demands for my tax dollars are another.

I have to agree.

I sent $50 to the Red Cross for Katrina. It was all I could afford, and I knew it was going to the people that needed it.

There is no reason for people that live in Wyoming to be expected to pay their earned dollars, (through government), to help hurricane victims, through taxation. The government spends most of the money on administration, (or pork), with very little going to the people that need it.

The states that have coastal areas, as well as the states in tornado alley, as well as states that live in earthquake zones...............have a responsibility of their own to prepare for disasters; as do the individual communities and the owners of homes and businesses.

There's a word for having a centalized government taking care of everything.............it's called "socialism", and it's never succeeded in the long term.

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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2013, 05:17:04 PM »
These days buildings in earthquake zones are built to withstand earthquakes. And unlike earthquakes, storms are a common, foreseeable,  risk of living near the shore. BTW, I don't particularly give a damn about your dislike of my coarse language. You can expect profanity when you're caught reaching into someone else's pocket. Voluntary contributions to some kind of relief fund is one thing, demands for my tax dollars are another.

For the third time, I stated that I was not advocating any taxpayer bailout, so it seems your reading comprehension is a challenge along with your little potty mouth.  Also a hurricane like Sandy is not a common storm.  Maybe you didn't know that.
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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2013, 05:22:59 PM »
I think Christie is grandstanding a bit. By pushing the vote back a few days will not make much difference. It will be months before any of the funds reach those that need it. He should be railing against those that want to take advantage of the tragedy to bring some bacon home.


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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2013, 06:15:16 PM »
Christie is publically bashing Boehner for all the wrong reasons. He'd make a great Democrat candidate for President.
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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2013, 09:23:31 PM »
I have to agree.

I sent $50 to the Red Cross for Katrina. It was all I could afford, and I knew it was going to the people that needed it.
There is no reason for people that live in Wyoming to be expected to pay their earned dollars, (through government), to help hurricane victims, through taxation. The government spends most of the money on administration, (or pork), with very little going to the people that need it.

The states that have coastal areas, as well as the states in tornado alley, as well as states that live in earthquake zones...............have a responsibility of their own to prepare for disasters; as do the individual communities and the owners of homes and businesses.

There's a word for having a centalized government taking care of everything.............it's called "socialism", and it's never succeeded in the long term.

Not if you sent it to the Red Cross.  They fill their pockets first with money. :angry:
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Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2013, 09:29:34 PM »
We all love how Christie takes it to the unions and cares about the fiscal situation in his state, but I think we give him too much credit.  He _should_ be doing what is right and ethical, which is against the unions, but I certainly wouldn't put him in the "conservative" category.  I worry about his State Supreme Court nominations, his position on gun control, and a few other issues.
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