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Title: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: njdudeabides on January 02, 2013, 11:35:59 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/02/opinion/avlon-christie-sandy-aid/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/02/opinion/avlon-christie-sandy-aid/index.html?hpt=hp_c2)

One of the most popular figures in American politics by members of both parties today is Governor Chris Christie (R-NJ). People like him because he has done a good job in New Jersey, he does not care about politics, and he tells the truth. While democrats lead America down a road to decline and republicans back away from a fight, Governor Christie is fighting for what is right in this world. Governor Christie's blunt style is a turn-off to some who prefer politics as usual, but it's refreshing to those of us who believe a human element is missing from politics today. Governor Christie has the courage to do what's right. He had the courage to cut spending by 9% here in New Jersey. He had the courage to fight for increased school choice for high school students and historic tenure reform. He had the courage to fight to cap property taxes. He had the courage to fight to reform our broken pension system. He had the courage to veto higher taxes and cap and trade. Now, he has the courage to fight so those affected by Hurricane Sandy can rebuild. It is crucial that the affected areas rebuild so people can get back to work and families can return to their homes. Sadly, the speaker of the house and the congress have failed to help out in what Governor Christie and others are fighting for.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: The Stranger on January 03, 2013, 01:42:17 AM
Not saying who is right and who is wrong here he is for the rich land owners along the coast. Do you think any middle class folk are going to see one penny of any money, h*ll no! This money will go to rebuild the Million dollar plus homes and beaches (businesses owned by millionaires) along the coast of the Rich. Some of these families have owned property/businesses there for generations and every big storm get rebuilt by the tax payers.
When I grew up along the coast and they were filling in swamps along the shore and turning them into developments with million dollar homes us locals used to laugh because we knew they would some day be washed away and now they are swamps again and they want to redevelop SWAMPS, in some instances the STATE took BEACH property where we used to hang and homes worth 10's of millions of dollars are now there, this is what will be rebuilt not your relatives home of the middle class. I seen it before and it will happen again.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: Shooterman on January 03, 2013, 05:00:43 AM
Sooner or later, Ol' Krispy Kream will piss in Dude's Post Toasties, and Dude will be forced to find another hero to push for '16. :lol:



Sorry, Dude, couldn't resist.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: kramarat on January 03, 2013, 05:06:37 AM
Quote from: Shooterman on January 03, 2013, 05:00:43 AM
Sooner or later, Ol' Krispy Kream will piss in Dude's Post Toasties, and Dude will be forced to find another hero to push for '16. :lol:



Sorry, Dude, couldn't resist.

The last image I have of Christie.....................is of him hugging Obama, and saying what an outstanding job he did on the Sandy response; a few days before the election.

I haven't heard anything about the Sandy damage since. I assumed that everything was fixed and back to normal.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: The Stranger on January 03, 2013, 05:14:18 AM
In the end even Christy follows the money trail and it leads to the Million dollar plus homes along the beach. I lived in-land during Andrew I think it was and lived in a middle class area and you know what we didn't get one penny in grants or low interest loans yet the coast was replenished with McMansion on our buck. It's reality dude. I as well as a few other neighbors had trees crush our house in two and the rest was damaged by water from the rain.
Why no criticism of NO RED TAPE by Christy?  It's been two months now and he' still waiting, huh who would have thunk? How many trips has Obama made back since the photo op?
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: Shooterman on January 03, 2013, 05:22:28 AM
Quote from: The Stranger on January 03, 2013, 05:14:18 AM
In the end even Christy follows the money trail and it leads to the Million dollar plus homes along the beach. I lived in-land during Andrew I think it was and lived in a middle class area and you know what we didn't get one penny in grants or low interest loans yet the coast was replenished with McMansion on our buck. It's reality dude. I as well as a few other neighbors had trees crush our house in two and the rest was damaged by water from the rain.
Why no criticism of NO RED TAPE by Christy?  It's been two months now and he' still waiting, huh who would have thunk? How many trips has Obama made back since the photo op?

Krispy Kream can almost walk on water, or at least float on water.

After Rita smacked SE Texas and SW Louisiana two or three weeks after Katrina, there were still 'blue roofs' on houses for years. Poor folks or middle class, though.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: Patriot on January 03, 2013, 07:36:14 AM
Quote from: The Stranger on January 03, 2013, 01:42:17 AM
Not saying who is right and who is wrong here he is for the rich land owners along the coast. Do you think any middle class folk are going to see one penny of any money, h*ll no! This money will go to rebuild the Million dollar plus homes and beaches (businesses owned by millionaires) along the coast of the Rich. Some of these families have owned property/businesses there for generations and every big storm get rebuilt by the tax payers.
When I grew up along the coast and they were filling in swamps along the shore and turning them into developments with million dollar homes us locals used to laugh because we knew they would some day be washed away and now they are swamps again and they want to redevelop SWAMPS, in some instances the STATE took BEACH property where we used to hang and homes worth 10's of millions of dollars are now there, this is what will be rebuilt not your relatives home of the middle class. I seen it before and it will happen again.

I don't know where you get the idea that the money is for the rich.  Are you aware of the extensive damage to many small business and homes that were worth far less than a million dollars?
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: raptor5618 on January 03, 2013, 08:09:15 AM
I liked a lot of things that Christie did in the past but that thing with Obama and now blaming Boehner and the Rep party for all the problems with getting money to NJ seems to say that he is all for the government solving every problem and to hell with wasting money as long as some of it goes to Jersey.   Seems like he is ready to join the Dem party to me.  That bill was more for other things than it was for helping those who were affected by Sandy.  Yet not one word expressing disgust that they tried to cram that pork in the bill causing it to be slowed down. 

Respect what he has done for Jersey but do not believe he is a small government type of guy.  Oh I think we need more politicians that speak to truth as they see it.  I think he was wrong in this case but in others he made no excuses for doing what he was elected to do.  Too many politicians are much better at talking without saying anything.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: The Stranger on January 03, 2013, 09:07:08 AM
Quote from: USAPatriot on January 03, 2013, 07:36:14 AM
I don't know where you get the idea that the money is for the rich.  Are you aware of the extensive damage to many small business and homes that were worth far less than a million dollars?

I still have friends in the area that I talk to regularly. Yes I grew up right in the heart of the Jersey Shore and had business' there for more then a decade. I remember as a kid and my early years whenever there was a storm Bradley and Lautenburg walking the beaches whining for Aid. I remember the photo ops they had with the machines repairing these folks back yards. Most went to rebuild the beaches in front of the Multimillion dollar homes. I worked in many of these homes and know tax money rebuilt many and will do it again, these folks get low interest loans or even grants.
There are entire neighborhoods in Ocean County that are gone, they were swamps when I was a kid and they filled them in and make lagoon developments. Some of these are already being rebuilt with tax money.
I remember the North-easterner of 1992 when oil tanks and furnaces were floating down ocean ave in Pt. Pleasant and I know none of the smaller homes getting aid from the government because I worked in many at the same time the township outlawed floor heaters and these folk had to get a C of O and couldn't without central heating. Some of these homes were bought up by local realtors who turned them into rentals because people couldn't afford to repair them.
I was giving low interest loans thru my business as well as a HVAC manufacture. These folks were thrown under the bus and will be again wait and see.
Some of the arcades have been in the same family on the boardwalks for a hundred years and have made hundreds of millions over the years why should tax money replace/repair their businesses?
I'm angry because the little guy will get the shaft and Obama and Christy will get their photo ops.

http://www.app.com/viewart/20121120/NJNEWS/311200029/Study-N-J-beaches-30-40-feet-narrower-after-storm (http://www.app.com/viewart/20121120/NJNEWS/311200029/Study-N-J-beaches-30-40-feet-narrower-after-storm)
I don't know if you know this or not but you have to pay for beaches in NJ. And this here town of Mantoloking there isn't a house there for under several million on the beach side and the PUBLIC ISN'T ALLOWED on the beach in front of or around these homes. It's like their own little country club kept up with tax money.
(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frt.com%2Ffiles%2Fusa%2Fnews%2Ffrankenstorm-sandy-live-updates-451%2F2007-aerial-barrier-island.jpg&hash=df695ba2ce49069b2a5efdfabf9c7deee7ec6fd3)
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: mdgiles on January 03, 2013, 10:39:42 AM
If you can explain all the pork in the rescue bill - like billions for Amtrack, or 100 million for Alaskan fisheries (I think Alaska was out of Sandie's path) then I'd support Christie. As it is there is more pork than rebuild in the bill. And I'm sort of tired of using tax dollars to rebuild people's sea shore homes ANYWHERE. How much intelligence does it take to understand that if you build your house on the shore, you're at risk of damage. So instead of getting flood insurance and paying every month, they ignore the danger, keep the money, and scream for tax dollars, the minute the storm roars in.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: Patriot on January 03, 2013, 10:56:53 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on January 03, 2013, 10:39:42 AM
How much intelligence does it take to understand that if you build your house on the shore, you're at risk of damage. So instead of getting flood insurance and paying every month, they ignore the danger, keep the money, and scream for tax dollars, the minute the storm roars in.

Many houses and businesses destroyed were not right on the beach.  Also, this storm was not of the type that a reasonable person would have expected, so your questioning the intelligence of people not being adequately covered by insurance is not reasonable.  In many of the communities such as Sea Bright, structures that had stood for decades and are now wiped out.  I'm not making a case for blanket tax dollars.  Alternate means such as SBA loans have been used in the past.  But sitting back and denigrating those people is not right.  (If you do denigrate those in NJ, then it would logically apply to those in other areas like Staten Island.)
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: Darth Fife on January 03, 2013, 10:57:19 AM
Hurricane/Superstorm Sandy happened over 2 months ago, and Gov. Christie is just now getting upset about the lack of response by the Federal Government?

What's his problem? He did a photo op with Obama 2 months ago (just in time for the election! :rolleyes:) and Obama assured him that he would cut through all the Red Tape and get the areas affected the assistance they needed.

Of course, that was 2 months ago... (and prior to the election).

Why did he only attack Boehner and the Republicans when I'm sure he is savvy enough to know that the real reason for the delay in the bill was the tons of pork piled on it by the Democrats?

Methinks he protesteth too much!

The only thing Christie is doing is playing politics and trying to pre-position himself for a run for the White House in 2016. My only question is, is he going to run as a Republican or a Democrat? :rolleyes:

Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: raptor5618 on January 03, 2013, 11:23:10 AM
If he is planning on running for president it certainly is not going to be in the Republican party.  His most recent tirade against the party is probably pushing things a bit too far.  Of course the Republican party is becoming more and more like the Dem party and viewing other boards all the conservatives are registering as either independents or libertarians.   

He sounded like a whiny Dem during his rant. I see him changing parties before he runs again for gov.  He is doing a good job for the state which is important and if he is a Dem he can stay there as long as the state lets him.  Not sure if they have term limits there.  But clearly he is not a good standing member of a party that theoretically stands for lower taxes and less government.   
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: The Stranger on January 03, 2013, 11:40:25 AM
Again why isn't the GOP yelling and screaming about the Billions and Pork. WTF is it with them. So now they're going to pass a bill that is pork ridden! :cursing: :sad: :confused: :angry:

Oblamer just passed a cliff bill with billions for Hollywood if he was so worried about NJ why didn't he add some money for the NE?
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: raptor5618 on January 03, 2013, 12:51:36 PM
I have to believe that the GOP has their fingers in some of that pork too so they have to keep their mouths shut. If that is not the case then they really are totally incompetent at doing the right thing.  If they have their fingers in it, well we as a viable nation are doomed. 
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: Darth Fife on January 03, 2013, 01:16:03 PM
Quote from: The Stranger on January 03, 2013, 11:40:25 AM
Again why isn't the GOP yelling and screaming about the Billions and Pork. WTF is it with them. So now they're going to pass a bill that is pork ridden! :cursing: :sad: :confused: :angry:

Oblamer just passed a cliff bill with billions for Hollywood if he was so worried about NJ why didn't he add some money for the NE?

Two reasons:

1. Because Republicans are idiots

2. Because Republicans are getting just as much pork as the Democrats

Next question... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: AndyJackson on January 03, 2013, 02:08:20 PM
Quote from: raptor5618 on January 03, 2013, 11:23:10 AM
If he is planning on running for president it certainly is not going to be in the Republican party.  His most recent tirade against the party is probably pushing things a bit too far.  Of course the Republican party is becoming more and more like the Dem party and viewing other boards all the conservatives are registering as either independents or libertarians.   

He sounded like a whiny Dem during his rant. I see him changing parties before he runs again for gov.  He is doing a good job for the state which is important and if he is a Dem he can stay there as long as the state lets him.  Not sure if they have term limits there.  But clearly he is not a good standing member of a party that theoretically stands for lower taxes and less government.   

I thought that Christie was a decent conservative, but it turns out that he was only a logical, common sense guy on fiscal matters, but completely open to anything that benefits him & his in all other matters.

He ends up looking rather liberal socially, and more than willing to help the Obama campaign if it means a payoff for NJ.  Now he's raging about a principled GOP stand against loading up disaster relief with unrelated pork, so he really does look just about as conservative as, oh...........Specter, Snow, Boehner, etc.

Too bad, I thought he was one of the bright spots for the future, but obviously not.  We've lost too many presumptive standard bearers in the last year.  The allure of the WH parties, golf outings, bailouts, other federal windfalls, etc.........must be too strong to resist and keep any core values.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: mdgiles on January 03, 2013, 02:09:00 PM
Quote from: USAPatriot on January 03, 2013, 10:56:53 AM
Many houses and businesses destroyed were not right on the beach.  Also, this storm was not of the type that a reasonable person would have expected, so your questioning the intelligence of people not being adequately covered by insurance is not reasonable.  In many of the communities such as Sea Bright, structures that had stood for decades and are now wiped out.  I'm not making a case for blanket tax dollars.  Alternate means such as SBA loans have been used in the past.  But sitting back and denigrating those people is not right.  (If you do denigrate those in NJ, then it would logically apply to those in other areas like Staten Island.)
Hmmmm. How should I put this - BULLSHIT. Live on Long Island. I have some Idea of the dangers of building by the sea shore. I don't care what you lost to Sandie, that happens to be one of the disadvantages of living by the sea shore. I'm sure that the homes and businesses that are down on the shore aren't inviting total strangers down to take advantage of living there, so don't expect those same total strangers to reimburse you when some of those advantages turn around. Perhaps I'm simply tired of people feeling sorry for other people, and making themselves feel better by throwing tax dollars at them. AND the problem with this bill is how little of it is Sandie relief and how much of it is solid pork.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: Solar on January 03, 2013, 02:19:35 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on January 03, 2013, 02:09:00 PM
Hmmmm. How should I put this - BULLSHIT. Live on Long Island. I have some Idea of the dangers of building by the sea shore. I don't care what you lost to Sandie, that happens to be one of the disadvantages of living by the sea shore. I'm sure that the homes and businesses that are down on the shore aren't inviting total strangers down to take advantage of living there, so don't expect those same total strangers to reimburse you when some of those advantages turn around. Perhaps I'm simply tired of people feeling sorry for other people, and making themselves feel better by throwing tax dollars at them. AND the problem with this bill is how little of it is Sandie relief and how much of it is solid pork.
Ya know, this really frosts my ass, when did it become the Feds responsibility to bail out States that have really bad storms, or fires, floods etc?
I'm from the old school that if you want to live on a boat, then you better have a damned raft in case it sinks, live in the forest, clear your property of brush and trees by the house, live on the sea shore....screw it, you're on your own unless you can afford the insurance.
But whining that the Govt wasn't there to kiss your boo boo is Bull Shit!
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: AndyJackson on January 03, 2013, 03:09:59 PM
Can't have Marxism without a nanny state.  That is all.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: Solar on January 03, 2013, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 03, 2013, 03:09:59 PM
Can't have Marxism without a nanny state.  That is all.
To turn a phrase, "were a kinder gentler" kind of Marxism....
I about puked when Bush said that.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: Patriot on January 03, 2013, 03:50:57 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on January 03, 2013, 02:09:00 PM
Hmmmm. How should I put this - BULLSHIT. Live on Long Island. I have some Idea of the dangers of building by the sea shore. I don't care what you lost to Sandie, that happens to be one of the disadvantages of living by the sea shore. I'm sure that the homes and businesses that are down on the shore aren't inviting total strangers down to take advantage of living there, so don't expect those same total strangers to reimburse you when some of those advantages turn around. Perhaps I'm simply tired of people feeling sorry for other people, and making themselves feel better by throwing tax dollars at them. AND the problem with this bill is how little of it is Sandie relief and how much of it is solid pork.

I'm not going to belabor this issue with you.  Just a couple of points.  First, I did not advocate the use of taxpayer funds to bail anyone out.  That seems to be the focus of your wrath, so you can keep your coarse language.  Second, there were houses and businesses that suffered major damage that were some distance from a shoreline and would not have logically expected such damage.  Third, even the houses close to the shore, many having stood for decades before being destroyed, so it would be understandable if the owners did not consider it likely that the house would experience a total loss.  The likelihood of the damage especially for the houses away from the shore might be the same likelihood as your house getting destroyed by an earthquake.  Assume you don't have coverage for that.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: kramarat on January 03, 2013, 04:11:01 PM
Quote from: Patriot on January 03, 2013, 03:50:57 PM
I'm not going to belabor this issue with you.  Just a couple of points.  First, I did not advocate the use of taxpayer funds to bail anyone out.  That seems to be the focus of your wrath, so you can keep your coarse language.  Second, there were houses and businesses that suffered major damage that were some distance from a shoreline and would not have logically expected such damage.  Third, even the houses close to the shore, many having stood for decades before being destroyed, so it would be understandable if the owners did not consider it likely that the house would experience a total loss.  The likelihood of the damage especially for the houses away from the shore might be the same likelihood as your house getting destroyed by an earthquake.  Assume you don't have coverage for that.

I can sort of understand his wrath. I live in central NC, and pay higher insurance rates, so that the people that live by the beach don't have to pay ultra high premiums. At the same time, many of the beaches have started installing parking meters, or have become private meccas for the wealthy. As you can imagine, as a lowly peon, I think that my taxes and higher insurance rates should entitle me to spend some time at the beach without having to pay extra, or be disallowed because I am not an owner.

The government shouldn't be bailing anyone out; at least not with free money.

If the government puts money into the rebuilding, it should be recouped from the insurance companies of those that had insurance, and should be considered a low interest, (1.5%), loan to those that didn't. That way, rebuilding begins quickly, and the cost to the taxpayer is zilch.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: mdgiles on January 03, 2013, 04:56:45 PM
Quote from: Patriot on January 03, 2013, 03:50:57 PM
I'm not going to belabor this issue with you.  Just a couple of points.  First, I did not advocate the use of taxpayer funds to bail anyone out.  That seems to be the focus of your wrath, so you can keep your coarse language.  Second, there were houses and businesses that suffered major damage that were some distance from a shoreline and would not have logically expected such damage.  Third, even the houses close to the shore, many having stood for decades before being destroyed, so it would be understandable if the owners did not consider it likely that the house would experience a total loss.  The likelihood of the damage especially for the houses away from the shore might be the same likelihood as your house getting destroyed by an earthquake.  Assume you don't have coverage for that.
These days buildings in earthquake zones are built to withstand earthquakes. And unlike earthquakes, storms are a common, foreseeable,  risk of living near the shore. BTW, I don't particularly give a damn about your dislike of my coarse language. You can expect profanity when you're caught reaching into someone else's pocket. Voluntary contributions to some kind of relief fund is one thing, demands for my tax dollars are another.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: kramarat on January 03, 2013, 05:13:18 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on January 03, 2013, 04:56:45 PM
These days buildings in earthquake zones are built to withstand earthquakes. And unlike earthquakes, storms are a common, foreseeable,  risk of living near the shore. BTW, I don't particularly give a damn about your dislike of my coarse language. You can expect profanity when you're caught reaching into someone else's pocket. Voluntary contributions to some kind of relief fund is one thing, demands for my tax dollars are another.

I have to agree.

I sent $50 to the Red Cross for Katrina. It was all I could afford, and I knew it was going to the people that needed it.

There is no reason for people that live in Wyoming to be expected to pay their earned dollars, (through government), to help hurricane victims, through taxation. The government spends most of the money on administration, (or pork), with very little going to the people that need it.

The states that have coastal areas, as well as the states in tornado alley, as well as states that live in earthquake zones...............have a responsibility of their own to prepare for disasters; as do the individual communities and the owners of homes and businesses.

There's a word for having a centalized government taking care of everything.............it's called "socialism", and it's never succeeded in the long term.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: Patriot on January 03, 2013, 05:17:04 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on January 03, 2013, 04:56:45 PM
These days buildings in earthquake zones are built to withstand earthquakes. And unlike earthquakes, storms are a common, foreseeable,  risk of living near the shore. BTW, I don't particularly give a damn about your dislike of my coarse language. You can expect profanity when you're caught reaching into someone else's pocket. Voluntary contributions to some kind of relief fund is one thing, demands for my tax dollars are another.

For the third time, I stated that I was not advocating any taxpayer bailout, so it seems your reading comprehension is a challenge along with your little potty mouth.  Also a hurricane like Sandy is not a common storm.  Maybe you didn't know that.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: Cryptic Bert on January 03, 2013, 05:22:59 PM
I think Christie is grandstanding a bit. By pushing the vote back a few days will not make much difference. It will be months before any of the funds reach those that need it. He should be railing against those that want to take advantage of the tragedy to bring some bacon home.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: Yawn on January 03, 2013, 06:15:16 PM
Christie is publically bashing Boehner for all the wrong reasons. He'd make a great Democrat candidate for President.
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Expecting the AMERICAN Taxpayer (from Michigan, Ohio or California) to bail out every other state is a symptom of the problem. Now that we've started doing this, it's not going to stop.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: walkstall on January 03, 2013, 09:23:31 PM
Quote from: kramarat on January 03, 2013, 05:13:18 PM
I have to agree.

I sent $50 to the Red Cross for Katrina. It was all I could afford, and I knew it was going to the people that needed it.
There is no reason for people that live in Wyoming to be expected to pay their earned dollars, (through government), to help hurricane victims, through taxation. The government spends most of the money on administration, (or pork), with very little going to the people that need it.

The states that have coastal areas, as well as the states in tornado alley, as well as states that live in earthquake zones...............have a responsibility of their own to prepare for disasters; as do the individual communities and the owners of homes and businesses.

There's a word for having a centalized government taking care of everything.............it's called "socialism", and it's never succeeded in the long term.

Not if you sent it to the Red Cross.  They fill their pockets first with money. :angry:
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: taxed on January 03, 2013, 09:29:34 PM
We all love how Christie takes it to the unions and cares about the fiscal situation in his state, but I think we give him too much credit.  He _should_ be doing what is right and ethical, which is against the unions, but I certainly wouldn't put him in the "conservative" category.  I worry about his State Supreme Court nominations, his position on gun control, and a few other issues.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: Charliemyboy on January 03, 2013, 10:19:38 PM
Cristie is just another lyin' pol. Just up-sized.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: BILLY Defiant on January 04, 2013, 01:20:51 AM
Thar She blows...the White Whale, Harpoon the b'stid Mateys!!!!

Christie jumping around Like Obamao's lap dog is bad enough but I'll never forget his stance on locking some guy up who moved into the state with a secured pistol locked in his car trunk.

That and appointing some Muslim Judge to the bench.

Billy
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: keyboarder on January 04, 2013, 04:23:57 AM
Quote from: Patriot on January 03, 2013, 10:56:53 AM
Many houses and businesses destroyed were not right on the beach.  Also, this storm was not of the type that a reasonable person would have expected, so your questioning the intelligence of people not being adequately covered by insurance is not reasonable.  In many of the communities such as Sea Bright, structures that had stood for decades and are now wiped out.  I'm not making a case for blanket tax dollars.  Alternate means such as SBA loans have been used in the past.  But sitting back and denigrating those people is not right.  (If you do denigrate those in NJ, then it would logically apply to those in other areas like Staten Island.)

Giles is spot on and they do sit and wait for the next storm, not only along the coast lines but inland as well.  Ever heard of tornado alley?  You gotta' remember what is said by doing things over and hoping for different results, it's insanity.  I have heard accounts of how many times certain folks have made it out of one of these disasters by the skin of their teeth only to go right back and start rebuilding.  In an area that is prone for such disasters, I would have to consider the needs of my family over my dream to live in such a place.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: The Stranger on January 04, 2013, 05:24:35 AM
The average price for a home in Mantoloking, NJ is $900,000.00 so you know what I don't feel sorry for them and I shouldn't have to pay for them to rebuild in a place that's been flooded before and will again. Average price in Sea Bright over a Million. These are two communities that were named and don't include the homes on the Ocean and Bay that sell for several MILLION.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: Solar on January 04, 2013, 05:47:46 AM
Quote from: kramarat on January 03, 2013, 05:13:18 PM
I have to agree.

I sent $50 to the Red Cross for Katrina. It was all I could afford, and I knew it was going to the people that needed it.

There is no reason for people that live in Wyoming to be expected to pay their earned dollars, (through government), to help hurricane victims, through taxation. The government spends most of the money on administration, (or pork), with very little going to the people that need it.

The states that have coastal areas, as well as the states in tornado alley, as well as states that live in earthquake zones...............have a responsibility of their own to prepare for disasters; as do the individual communities and the owners of homes and businesses.

There's a word for having a centalized government taking care of everything.............it's called "socialism", and it's never succeeded in the long term.
From the Red Cross' own mouth...
The president and CEO of the American Red Cross is Gail McGovern, and her base salary has remained $500,000—
http://www.redcross.org/news/press-release/Red-Cross-Statement-on-Inaccurate-Viral-Email-on-Charity-CEO-Pay (http://www.redcross.org/news/press-release/Red-Cross-Statement-on-Inaccurate-Viral-Email-on-Charity-CEO-Pay)

Take it as a fifty dollar lesson, but your heart is in the right place. :thumbup:
Try one from this list.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/23/charities-most-efficient-personal-finance-charity-09-efficiency_slide_2.html (http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/23/charities-most-efficient-personal-finance-charity-09-efficiency_slide_2.html)

Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: Solar on January 04, 2013, 05:51:14 AM
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 04, 2013, 01:20:51 AM
Thar She blows...the White Whale, Harpoon the b'stid Mateys!!!!

Christie jumping around Like Obamao's lap dog is bad enough but I'll never forget his stance on locking some guy up who moved into the state with a secured pistol locked in his car trunk.

That and appointing some Muslim Judge to the bench.

Billy
Crap, that was Christies state?
Talk about picking a stupid DA, Christie should have pardoned the guy on the spot.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: mdgiles on January 04, 2013, 02:16:24 PM
Quote from: Patriot on January 03, 2013, 05:17:04 PM
For the third time, I stated that I was not advocating any taxpayer bailout, so it seems your reading comprehension is a challenge along with your little potty mouth.  Also a hurricane like Sandy is not a common storm.  Maybe you didn't know that.
Well than what are you advocating? It's not my fault if a number of people here seem to have "misinterpreted" what you were trying to say. Perhaps the trouble isn't with my reading comprehension, but the manner in which you stated it. BTW, I spent a little bit of time in the Marine Corps, my "little potty mouth" is an attempt on my part, to be reasonably civil to someone who doesn't deserve it. Were I to really go off on you, your screen would burst into flames!
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: kramarat on January 04, 2013, 02:31:55 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 04, 2013, 05:47:46 AM
From the Red Cross' own mouth...
The president and CEO of the American Red Cross is Gail McGovern, and her base salary has remained $500,000—
http://www.redcross.org/news/press-release/Red-Cross-Statement-on-Inaccurate-Viral-Email-on-Charity-CEO-Pay (http://www.redcross.org/news/press-release/Red-Cross-Statement-on-Inaccurate-Viral-Email-on-Charity-CEO-Pay)

Take it as a fifty dollar lesson, but your heart is in the right place. :thumbup:
Try one from this list.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/23/charities-most-efficient-personal-finance-charity-09-efficiency_slide_2.html (http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/23/charities-most-efficient-personal-finance-charity-09-efficiency_slide_2.html)

I don't know for sure if it was the Red Cross. I don't remember who it was, but they were fully vetted, and I knew my $50 was going directly to the victims. Nobody gets my money, without me knowing exactly where it is going.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: Patriot on January 04, 2013, 02:35:06 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on January 04, 2013, 02:16:24 PM
Well than what are you advocating? It's not my fault if a number of people here seem to have "misinterpreted" what you were trying to say. Perhaps the trouble isn't with my reading comprehension, but the manner in which you stated it. BTW, I spent a little bit of time in the Marine Corps, my "little potty mouth" is an attempt on my part, to be reasonably civil to someone who doesn't deserve it. Were I to really go off on you, your screen would burst into flames!

You're too funny.  I'll do it by numbers.  Maybe it will be easier.

1) I did not advocate any specific remedy other than suggest SBA loans have been used before with the implication that they might be a possibility.

2) I did not see anyone here besides you misinterpret what I said.  A few agreed with you that taxpayer dollars should not be used, but they did not assume, unlike you, that I advocated the contrary.

3) My major point was the discussion of insurance coverage for extreme events - not repeating that.

4) I don't know or care what your military background taught you, but mine both as a military person and a civilian contractor working with active military, taught me to respond to issues logically rather than emotionally.  Well equipped to be extremely biting in my language but generally avoid it because it does not further the message and generally the would-be recipient is not worth me lowering myself.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: taxed on January 04, 2013, 02:55:20 PM
It wasn't clear to me either.....

Quote from: Patriot on January 03, 2013, 10:56:53 AM
Many houses and businesses destroyed were not right on the beach.
Understood.

Quote
  Also, this storm was not of the type that a reasonable person would have expected, so your questioning the intelligence of people not being adequately covered by insurance is not reasonable.
If you do not have insurance to cover catastrophes like this, then you are rolling the dice.  Hurricanes have crept up the coastline in the past.  This isn't the first one.

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  In many of the communities such as Sea Bright, structures that had stood for decades and are now wiped out.  I'm not making a case for blanket tax dollars.
You are qualifying "tax dollars" with "blanket", i.e., you _could_ be advocating tax dollars for special situations.

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  Alternate means such as SBA loans have been used in the past.
SBA is stolen tax dollars, and even though it has been used in the past doesn't make it right.

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  But sitting back and denigrating those people is not right.  (If you do denigrate those in NJ, then it would logically apply to those in other areas like Staten Island.)
The people who were covered were smart.  The people who were not covered are dumb.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: Patriot on January 04, 2013, 03:03:55 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2013, 02:55:20 PM
It wasn't clear to me either.....
Understood.
If you do not have insurance to cover catastrophes like this, then you are rolling the dice.  Hurricanes have crept up the coastline in the past.  This isn't the first one.
You are qualifying "tax dollars" with "blanket", i.e., you _could_ be advocating tax dollars for special situations.
SBA is stolen tax dollars, and even though it has been used in the past doesn't make it right.
The people who were covered were smart.  The people who were not covered are dumb.

Even if you could make that interpretation because of the word "blanket", I stated 2 times later that I was not in favor of using tax dollars.  The guy was just trying to quibble.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: taxed on January 04, 2013, 03:08:03 PM
Quote from: Patriot on January 04, 2013, 03:03:55 PM
Even if you could make that interpretation because of the word "blanket", I stated 2 times later that I was not in favor of using tax dollars.  The guy was just trying to quibble.

What about SBA?
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: Patriot on January 04, 2013, 03:20:07 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2013, 03:08:03 PM
What about SBA?

It has been used before for disaster situations, so I was just raising it as a possibility.  I did not say it should be used.  I realize such loans can put taxpayer dollars at risk, but if the reaction was to my just mentioning it as a possibility led to the hissy-fit, it was an over-reaction.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: taxed on January 04, 2013, 03:29:14 PM
Quote from: Patriot on January 04, 2013, 03:20:07 PM
It has been used before for disaster situations, so I was just raising it as a possibility.  I did not say it should be used.  I realize such loans can put taxpayer dollars at risk, but if the reaction was to my just mentioning it as a possibility led to the hissy-fit, it was an over-reaction.

I get upset too at offering the theft of our money as a possibility.  I can understand.  Stealing our property is never an acceptable "possibility".
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: BILLY Defiant on January 04, 2013, 04:10:32 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 04, 2013, 05:51:14 AM
Crap, that was Christies state?
Talk about picking a stupid DA, Christie should have pardoned the guy on the spot.

NJ state troopers apparently have a problem with HR 218 which is a FEDERAL LAW that allows for former cops to carry anywhere as A former colleague of mine moving back to NJ found out.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: The Stranger on May 28, 2013, 09:12:10 AM
Looks like Oblamer and Christie are Blowing a lot of Smoke Someplace. I told ya's folks are still waiting but some think things are just peachy.
the agency has been slower to process applications and disburse funds than in the aftermath of hurricanes Ike in 2008 and Irene in 2011. Rep. Nydia M. Velázquez (D-N.Y.) noted the comparison in a letter sent to the U.S. Government Accountability Office asking for further examination of the disaster loan program. (http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-05-21/business/39419389_1_business-owners-hurricane-sandy-disaster-aid)
So what happened to cutting ALL THE RED TAPE?  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Oh an Election, dumb me.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: Walter Josh on May 28, 2013, 09:39:56 AM
The opening post is nothing but a disingenuous puff piece for Christie. About the only accomplishment not alleged was his diversion of the rivers to cleanse the Augean Stables. Christie's most notable attribute is his bombast hardly his accomplishments which are more imagined than real. At the end of the day he is a R in the Case, Fenwick and Kean mold; just another North East Liberal R, needy of attention and a soul mate of Willard Romney.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: simpsonofpg on May 28, 2013, 03:57:49 PM
I will vote for him, he is way ahead of most polticians.  He say what he means an does what he says.
Title: Re: Gov. Chris Christie: The courage to do what's right
Post by: taxed on May 28, 2013, 03:58:33 PM
I heard the Governor won a teddy bear today for his boyfriend....