Knowing how we were blown out of the water this last election, what can the GOP do to redefine itself so the future is not so bleak? First off, I believe people such as governors, senators, representatives who are affiliated with the Republican badge should not be able to say certain things that may get the GOPs asses kicked (such as the "legitimate rape" comment, way to go Todd).
What do you think?
Quote from: Balto on January 18, 2013, 05:44:25 PM
Knowing how we were blown out of the water this last election, ...
We were? How?
Quote from: Yawn on January 18, 2013, 05:47:10 PM
We were? How?
We lost what we thought Romney would win: Virginia, Colorado and Nevada.
Much of the votes for Romney came from white men or those in their 50s to 70s. The rising demographics which would work in GOPs favor would be the hispanics, blacks and young women.
The only thing that happened is the GOP establishment and Democrats won. Conservatives were never really in the race.
Look across the nation. We took the state houses....
Well yeah thats good. Maybe it doesntt have as much value as a presidental win but it will keep democrats from ripping Lady Liberty apart as easily. I found this story interesting, maybe it could help the GOP have better chances of securing the WH in 2016.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/19/republicans-want-to-change-laws-on-electoral-college-votes-after-presidential/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/19/republicans-want-to-change-laws-on-electoral-college-votes-after-presidential/)
Quote from: Balto on January 19, 2013, 08:55:11 AM
Well yeah thats good. Maybe it doesntt have as much value as a presidental win but it will keep democrats from ripping Lady Liberty apart as easily. I found this story interesting, maybe it could help the GOP have better chances of securing the WH in 2016.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/19/republicans-want-to-change-laws-on-electoral-college-votes-after-presidential/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/19/republicans-want-to-change-laws-on-electoral-college-votes-after-presidential/)
Actually it may have more value. When your base is disappearing, having someone in the "big chair" isn't always the victory you thought it was. The Dems are desperately trying to push through legislation, or issuing executive orders, because demographics don't favor them. It's the more conservative part of the political spectrum who are having the babies. It's why Dims are so desperate to maintain control of the educational structure - they simply aren't reproducing themselves, and must rely on co-opting other peoples children.
Simply succeeding in putting a Republican in the White House is not necessarily a victory.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 19, 2013, 11:18:19 AM
Simply succeeding in putting a Republican in the White House is not necessarily a victory.
Indeed for a party that supposedly believes in small government and bottom up rule; simply having someone at the top - and no support structure - is useless. The Dims are starting to suffer from the problem that they have no bench - and their minor leagues are empty. That's one explanation for someone like Obama rising to the top. Remember back in the 80's when every week there would be a "new" old Soviet at the top, then they got desperate and brought in Gorbachev - and the whole rotten structure collapsed. Could Obozo be the Dimocraps "Gorbachev"?
I wouldnt know that cause' I was born in the 90s during the HW Bush era.
I'm not sure if demographics really go against Obama, knowing the vast majority of demographics voted for him. But democrats are getting desperate, and only make themselves look worse and worse doing immature things, such as fighting for a higher debt ceiling and denying much of Mr. Boehners requests to make deals. As Mr. Romney was able to bring both sides together while he was Governor of Massachutsess, thats what we need now.
I hope you are right about the dems not having a good "bench". From what I have surmised it looks like Biden may want to give it a try. I am not sure Hillary really wants it although I am sure Bubba would like to get back to the WH.
Quite frankly, I am more concerned about retaining the House in 2014. I think Obama's move to convert his campaign is an indication of an all out assault on the GOP in House races. It has ben mentioned here before , but I do believe there is a possibility he will overplay his hand and we may have a repeat of 2010. I think there are like 20 dem senate seats and 13 GOP senate seats in play in 2014. If we can stay away from nomnating candidates that have "foot in mouth" disease we may could pick up a few. The fact Jay Rockefeller is not running is an indication some dems in blue states may be in trouble.
Quote from: mdgiles on January 19, 2013, 11:32:00 AM
Indeed for a party that supposedly believes in small government and bottom up rule; simply having someone at the top - and no support structure - is useless. ...
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Hardly useless. A bad/evil president has the potential to do a lot of damage--especially if the Repubs don't have the will to oppose him.
We need to fight the way he fights. Repub Congress nneds to solicit letters from "the children," of parents who haven't worked in years and/or travel long distances just for the opportunity to take "hamburger flipper jobs" to support their families. The People need to hear these stories daily and realize the problem with the economy is sitting in the White House (when he's not traveling to exotic locations on the backs of the remaining taxpayers. Demonrats know how to fight. We need to do the same. Remember--the aggressor sets the rules!
" Brown said that Democrats did not win races at the state-level in the numbers they should have and, in combination with Mitt Romney's weak candidacy, the "cult of the personality" around Obama was more responsible for his victory than the Democratic Party's appeal."
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cult-of-the-personality-led-to-obamas-2012-victory-former-san-francisco-mayor-tells-msnbc/ (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cult-of-the-personality-led-to-obamas-2012-victory-former-san-francisco-mayor-tells-msnbc/)
What is it they say about a stopped clock?
How the heck did I embed my own reply in my quote of you???? I hate when that happens!
Quote from: Yawn on January 20, 2013, 06:32:24 AM
How the heck did I embed my own reply in my quote of you???? I hate when that happens!
You didn't close one of your quotes.
Quote from: mdgiles on January 20, 2013, 06:26:31 AM
" Brown said that Democrats did not win races at the state-level in the numbers they should have and, in combination with Mitt Romney's weak candidacy, the "cult of the personality" around Obama was more responsible for his victory than the Democratic Party's appeal."
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cult-of-the-personality-led-to-obamas-2012-victory-former-san-francisco-mayor-tells-msnbc/ (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cult-of-the-personality-led-to-obamas-2012-victory-former-san-francisco-mayor-tells-msnbc/)
What is it they say about a stopped clock?
I really hated the original Slick Willy, but one thing Brown was known for, was being blunt and calling a spade a spade.
If Willy said it was cult appeal, you can take that check to the bank.
It also exposes a serious flaw in future elections, the Dims don't have another Husein waiting in the wings.
I know. I just don't know HOW it happens. Sometimes my keyboard has a mind of its own.
Quote from: Solar on January 20, 2013, 06:39:23 AM
I really hated the original Slick Willy, but one thing Brown was known for, was being blunt and calling a spade a spade.
If Willy said it was cult appeal, you can take that check to the bank.
It also exposes a serious flaw in future elections, the Dims don't have another Husein waiting in the wings.
If you look they don't seem to have anyone on deck. They talk about running Hilary - what is she 80? I really think they'd like to run Newark, NJ mayor Cory Booker, in an attempt to catch lightening in a bottle again.
They'll run Chris Cristy. He's a closet Democrat and he'd win.
Quote from: mdgiles on January 20, 2013, 10:44:49 AM
If you look they don't seem to have anyone on deck. They talk about running Hilary - what is she 80? I really think they'd like to run Newark, NJ mayor Cory Booker, in an attempt to catch lightening in a bottle again.
That's just it, they have no one with any real rock star appeal like Husein.
If they have to actually run on issues, they don't stand a chance.
Quote from: Yawn on January 20, 2013, 11:29:25 AM
They'll run Chris Cristy. He's a closet Democrat and he'd win.
Or at least, waddle him out...
The fact they are locking down on Chris Christie scares me and further confirms we're in a stalemate with the GOP. We can't really launch a third party, since the GOP consolidated power during the convention, but we can't go along with the RINOs either. The country is still conservative, and if the voting system can be de-compromised from the unions and marxists, we can start to get our voice back and influence our laws and spending.
Quote from: taxed on January 20, 2013, 12:11:23 PM
Or at least, waddle him out...
The fact they are locking down on Chris Christie scares me and further confirms we're in a stalemate with the GOP. We can't really launch a third party, since the GOP consolidated power during the convention, but we can't go along with the RINOs either. The country is still conservative, and if the voting system can be de-compromised from the unions and marxists, we can start to get our voice back and influence our laws and spending.
It may only amount to 1 or 2% of the vote, but it's that 1 or 2% we lost by.
We really do need to be contesting the outcomes and throw out all fraud, it all adds up in the end.
This is one of the main things I HATE about the GOP. The Dems fight for every vote--legal or not (usually not). We always give in thinking it'll buy good will with the voters, yet the fraud is overwhelmingly Demonrat, and we do NOTHING about it. We owe it to the country and the next generation to fight for every vote.
Quote from: Yawn on January 20, 2013, 02:02:35 PM
This is one of the main things I HATE about the GOP. The Dems fight for every vote--legal or not (usually not). We always give in thinking it'll buy good will with the voters, yet the fraud is overwhelmingly Demonrat, and we do NOTHING about it. We owe it to the country and the next generation to fight for every vote.
You're right, it's like they always seem to cater to the so called Independent voter, the one that sits on the fence and could go either direction.
Of course we all know, anyone that can be persuaded to go either direction, is nothing but a confused uninformed, ignorant lib.
Quote from: Solar on January 20, 2013, 02:06:02 PM
You're right, it's like they always seem to cater to the so called Independent voter, the one that sits on the fence and could go either direction.
Of course we all know, anyone that can be persuaded to go either direction, is nothing but a confused uninformed, ignorant lib.
If the GOP makes a firm commitment to the survival of the country, and the well being of future generations, as opposed to the survival of their own self centered careers..................they will win elections.
Honest people need to step up to the plate. They will have the backing of conservatives, moderates, libertarians, and what's left of blue dog democrats. It's the honesty that's lacking. The current liar in chief has presented a genuine opportunity...........but not for different liars.
Quote from: kramarat on January 20, 2013, 03:22:35 PM
If the GOP makes a firm commitment to the survival of the country, and the well being of future generations, as opposed to the survival of their own self centered careers..................they will win elections.
I don't know about all this. The GOP itself has described their redistricting campaign as a political "firewall" again democrats, and are now actively perusing changing the rules of the electoral college. Those changes would make the number of electoral votes for the President, determined by those districts. The GOP establishment has no incentive to change it's selfish, out of touch ways, when they've already rigged the districts to their benefit.
Just something to think about.....
Quote from: EHMakeup on January 20, 2013, 04:57:05 PM
I don't know about all this. The GOP itself has described their redistricting campaign as a political "firewall" again democrats, and are now actively perusing changing the rules of the electoral college. Those changes would make the number of electoral votes for the President, determined by those districts. The GOP establishment has no incentive to change it's selfish, out of touch ways, when they've already rigged the districts to their benefit.
Just something to think about.....
Both party's do this all the time, it's why Ca is in the mess it's in, the Dims drew the lines to their benefit long ago, and just did it again last year.
If anything, you should be equally angry at both party's for rigging the system and screwing the rest of us.
I have not seen anything from the Dem's like I've seen from the GOP recently. Have you seen http://www.redistrictingmajorityproject.com/ (http://www.redistrictingmajorityproject.com/) ? The introductary quote on the site says, "Republicans have an opportunity to create 20-25 new Republican Congressional Districts through the redistricting process over the next five election cycles, solidifying a Republican House majority." Not by promoting Republican values, or having honest debates and discussions on the issues, but by rigging the game, so no matter what, they win.
Is that what average, middle class, Republicans want from their party? Emphasis on cheating, over emphasis on the issue?
Quote from: EHMakeup on January 20, 2013, 05:12:48 PM
I have not seen anything from the Dem's like I've seen from the GOP recently. Have you seen http://www.redistrictingmajorityproject.com/ (http://www.redistrictingmajorityproject.com/) ? The introductary quote on the site says, "Republicans have an opportunity to create 20-25 new Republican Congressional Districts through the redistricting process over the next five election cycles, solidifying a Republican House majority." Not by promoting Republican values, or having honest debates and discussions on the issues, but by rigging the game, so no matter what, they win.
Is that what average, middle class, Republicans want from their party? Emphasis on cheating, over emphasis on the issue?
And it's all legal, it's based on census data.
Quote from: taxed on January 20, 2013, 12:11:23 PM
Or at least, waddle him out...
The fact they are locking down on Chris Christie scares me and further confirms we're in a stalemate with the GOP. We can't really launch a third party, since the GOP consolidated power during the convention, but we can't go along with the RINOs either. The country is still conservative, and if the voting system can be de-compromised from the unions and marxists, we can start to get our voice back and influence our laws and spending.
I don't think the RINO establishment can get away with running another Northeasterner (that's what Romney was). Why pick another candidate from an area where the party has no following.
The RINO establishment believes these are the people who can win. They HATE them radical pro-life Republicans and wish they'd shut the hell up and quit embarrassing the modern "conservative"! It's a CHOICE damn it! Why won't these extremists just shut up and go away?!
Quote from: Yawn on January 20, 2013, 05:42:32 PM
The RINO establishment believes these are the people who can win. They HATE them radical pro-life Republicans and wish they'd shut the hell up and quit embarrassing the modern "conservative"! It's a CHOICE damn it! Why won't these extremists just shut up and go away?!
Patience glass hoppa...
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Quote from: Solar on January 20, 2013, 05:17:14 PM
And it's all legal, it's based on census data.
Legal and ethical are two very different things. OJ got away with murder legally. Not attempting to equate what the GOP does with murder. My point, is that things can be done legally, that are just unethical and detrimental to society as a whole. The American people should not stand for those sorts of actions.
Quote from: EHMakeup on January 20, 2013, 05:54:48 PM
Legal and ethical are two very different things. OJ got away with murder legally. Not attempting to equate what the GOP does with murder. My point, is that things can be done legally, that are just unethical and detrimental to society as a whole. The American people should not stand for those sorts of actions.
It's ethical as well, it's why it was written into law, so one side is not over, or underrepresented.
Quote from: Solar on January 20, 2013, 06:01:11 PM
It's ethical as well, it's why it was written into law, so one side is not over, or underrepresented.
I'm so confused by this. The architecture of the new districts is to ensure there are more red districts then blue districts, in as many states as possible. There are huge districts, in order to encompass enough registered republicans, to out number the democrats, next to tiny districts, that have a concentration of republicans to help ensure large numbers republican districts. That's based off the Red State website, not some liberal media! That doesn't seem right or ethical, regardless of legality.
Quote from: EHMakeup on January 20, 2013, 06:16:56 PM
I'm so confused by this.
And that's exactly how they want you, both party's!
Read this, it might help you get a clearer picture.
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/11/01/11670/redistricting-gop-and-dems-alike-have-cloaked-process-secrecy (http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/11/01/11670/redistricting-gop-and-dems-alike-have-cloaked-process-secrecy)
Quote from: Solar on January 20, 2013, 06:45:10 PM
And that's exactly how they want you, both party's!
Read this, it might help you get a clearer picture.
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/11/01/11670/redistricting-gop-and-dems-alike-have-cloaked-process-secrecy (http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/11/01/11670/redistricting-gop-and-dems-alike-have-cloaked-process-secrecy)
I'm not confused by the process, I'm confused by your point. The process needs to be changed, no doubt about. The Dem's have utilized the opportunity to re-district as well, but never to the extent, and so blatantly and anti-democraticly. The Dem's never tried to change the way the electoral college worked in order to shift the odds dramatically in their favor.
The process should be done by independent committee, and be totally transparent. So far, however, it seems that GOP constituents want nothing more then to win at all cost, so they are happy with the manipulation of districts.
Quote from: EHMakeup on January 20, 2013, 06:58:15 PM
I'm not confused by the process, I'm confused by your point. The process needs to be changed, no doubt about. The Dem's have utilized the opportunity to re-district as well, but never to the extent, and so blatantly and anti-democraticly. The Dem's never tried to change the way the electoral college worked in order to shift the odds dramatically in their favor.
The process should be done by independent committee, and be totally transparent. So far, however, it seems that GOP constituents want nothing more then to win at all cost, so they are happy with the manipulation of districts.
Welcome to politics, where reality is nothing but a guide post, not an impedance.
They write the rules, remember, they even write the laws that dictate their own salary and retirement package, the same people that crammed Huseincare down our throats, but refuse to use it, they have their own.
We are subjects, they are Royalty, something the Founders tried to protect us from.
I'm sorry to say it, but it's people like you that allow these things to happen, the left gets you all emotionally worked up to the point where you demand change, just like the 2nd Amendment, you allow them to chisel away at our freedoms and then blame us when they're gone.
You need to wake up and start demanding they back the Hell off and leave our Bill of Rights intact.
Another example: Hate Speech, the tool designed to curb your 1st Amendment Rights, and yes, it was your side that instituted it.
So look in the mirror when you need answers, it is the emotional lib that always demands change.
You don't like what is happening? Then quit voting in crooks.
Quote from: EHMakeup on January 20, 2013, 06:58:15 PM
I'm not confused by the process, I'm confused by your point. The process needs to be changed, no doubt about. The Dem's have utilized the opportunity to re-district as well, but never to the extent, and so blatantly and anti-democraticly. The Dem's never tried to change the way the electoral college worked in order to shift the odds dramatically in their favor.
The process should be done by independent committee, and be totally transparent. So far, however, it seems that GOP constituents want nothing more then to win at all cost, so they are happy with the manipulation of districts.
Bullshit. The Democrats never played games with redistricting! Where in the phuck do you think the term Gerrymander came from in the first place! :angry:
At one time in Texas, the Dims had Gerrymandered the districts in Texas to the point, that Republicans were getting 60% of the vote, and only getting 35% of the House seats.
Quote from: Yawn on January 20, 2013, 05:42:32 PM
The RINO establishment believes these are the people who can win. They HATE them radical pro-life Republicans and wish they'd shut the hell up and quit embarrassing the modern "conservative"! It's a CHOICE damn it! Why won't these extremists just shut up and go away?!
Because Yawn, extremists want power and its a loaded gun to America if liberals decide to do it.
Quote from: kramarat on January 20, 2013, 03:22:35 PM
If the GOP makes a firm commitment to the survival of the country, and the well being of future generations, as opposed to the survival of their own self centered careers..................they will win elections.
Honest people need to step up to the plate. They will have the backing of conservatives, moderates, libertarians, and what's left of blue dog democrats. It's the honesty that's lacking. The current liar in chief has presented a genuine opportunity...........but not for different liars.
This pretty much hit the bullseye. Reoublicans need to stop being on so much defensive and insert offensive into their campaign. This reminds me of the debates from last year, if Mitt had continued stating facts YET stating what he would do as president like he did in Denver, we'd be reading a whole different story today. The press needs to stop chewing on the GOP's guy as well. Like Mother Jones with the 47% percent comment video tape, that was unacceptable by all means.
Elections are meant to end in a "let the better man win" sort of thing, not "let the one with the lies, the media that has his back" win. With so many left well-known sources out there, notably NBC and CNN, the GOP continuously has to rub off the backlash given off by these journalists. Honesty is what people truly want to see in a election, not fancy, biased political ads and media slander, but honesty that would truly come out in a leader controlling our countries future for better or for worse.
As I said before, if the GOP doesnt decide to put some offensive into what they do, they will continue to lose elections and America will become a liberal, almost dictator-like country.
Quote from: Balto on January 29, 2013, 01:58:17 PM
Because Yawn, extremists want power and its a loaded gun to America if liberals decide to do it. This pretty much hit the bullseye. Reoublicans need to stop being on so much defensive and insert offensive into their campaign. This reminds me of the debates from last year, if Mitt had continued stating facts YET stating what he would do as president like he did in Denver, we'd be reading a whole different story today. The press needs to stop chewing on the GOP's guy as well. Like Mother Jones with the 47% percent comment video tape, that was unacceptable by all means.
Elections are meant to end in a "let the better man win" sort of thing, not "let the one with the lies, the media that has his back" win. With so many left well-known sources out there, notably NBC and CNN, the GOP continuously has to rub off the backlash given off by these journalists. Honesty is what people truly want to see in a election, not fancy, biased political ads and media slander, but honesty that would truly come out in a leader controlling our countries future for better or for worse.
As I said before, if the GOP doesn't decide to put some offensive into what they do, they will continue to lose elections and America will become a liberal, almost dictator-like country.
I'm not convinced, (at all), that the GOP has the best interests of the country in their hearts, which is why they are always waffling.
So much damned power has been amassed in Washington, I think they are more concerned with controlling it than eliminating it.
That's a big problem. :sad:
The redrawing of districts is supposed to represent the change in population and demographics / allegiances since the last time. It's nothing more than an update too accurately reflect the current populace and the leaders in place.
Now of course in politics, it will be played with, by both sides.
If anyone whining and crying about it can prove that it's fraudulent, and reflects / accomplishes nothing that it's supposed to and claims to, then you've got a good ethics case and lawsuit.
Knock yourself out if you've got the goods. But don't just whine because you don't like the fact that it's not your team's turn, after your team does it every time they can.
Quote from: kramarat on January 29, 2013, 02:19:04 PM
I'm not convinced, (at all), that the GOP has the best interests of the country in their hearts, which is why they are always waffling.
So much damned power has been amassed in Washington, I think they are more concerned with controlling it than eliminating it.
That's a big problem. :sad:
At the moment controlling Washington and getting it out of the democrats greedy hands is a priority but once its under our control, we can begin focusing on how to eliminate it.