GOPs Future

Started by Balto, January 18, 2013, 05:44:25 PM

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Quote from: Yawn on January 20, 2013, 05:42:32 PM
The RINO establishment believes these are the people who can win. They HATE them radical pro-life Republicans and wish they'd shut the hell up and quit embarrassing the modern "conservative"! It's a CHOICE damn it! Why won't these extremists just shut up and go away?!
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Quote from: Solar on January 20, 2013, 05:17:14 PM
And it's all legal, it's based on census data.

Legal and ethical are two very different things. OJ got away with murder legally. Not attempting to equate what the GOP does with murder. My point, is that things can be done legally, that are just unethical and detrimental to society as a whole. The American people should not stand for those sorts of actions.

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Quote from: EHMakeup on January 20, 2013, 05:54:48 PM
Legal and ethical are two very different things. OJ got away with murder legally. Not attempting to equate what the GOP does with murder. My point, is that things can be done legally, that are just unethical and detrimental to society as a whole. The American people should not stand for those sorts of actions.
It's ethical as well, it's why it was written into law, so one side is not over, or underrepresented.
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Quote from: Solar on January 20, 2013, 06:01:11 PM
It's ethical as well, it's why it was written into law, so one side is not over, or underrepresented.

I'm so confused by this. The architecture of the new districts is to ensure there are more red districts then blue districts, in as many states as possible. There are huge districts, in order to encompass enough registered republicans, to out number the democrats, next to tiny districts, that have a concentration of republicans to help ensure large numbers republican districts. That's based off the Red State website, not some liberal media! That doesn't seem right or ethical, regardless of legality.

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Quote from: Solar on January 20, 2013, 06:45:10 PM
And that's exactly how they want you, both party's!
Read this, it might help you get a clearer picture.
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/11/01/11670/redistricting-gop-and-dems-alike-have-cloaked-process-secrecy

I'm not confused by the process, I'm confused by your point. The process needs to be changed, no doubt about. The Dem's have utilized the opportunity to re-district as well, but never to the extent, and so blatantly and anti-democraticly. The Dem's never tried to change the way the electoral college worked in order to shift the odds dramatically in their favor.

The process should be done by independent committee, and be totally transparent. So far, however, it seems that GOP constituents want nothing more then to win at all cost, so they are happy with the manipulation of districts.

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Quote from: EHMakeup on January 20, 2013, 06:58:15 PM
I'm not confused by the process, I'm confused by your point. The process needs to be changed, no doubt about. The Dem's have utilized the opportunity to re-district as well, but never to the extent, and so blatantly and anti-democraticly. The Dem's never tried to change the way the electoral college worked in order to shift the odds dramatically in their favor.

The process should be done by independent committee, and be totally transparent. So far, however, it seems that GOP constituents want nothing more then to win at all cost, so they are happy with the manipulation of districts.
Welcome to politics, where reality is nothing but a guide post, not an impedance.
They write the rules, remember, they even write the laws that dictate their own salary and retirement package, the same people that crammed Huseincare down our throats, but refuse to use it, they have their own.
We are subjects, they are Royalty, something the Founders tried to protect us from.

I'm sorry to say it, but it's people like you that allow these things to happen, the left gets you all emotionally worked up to the point where you demand change, just like the 2nd Amendment, you allow them to chisel away at our freedoms and then blame us when they're gone.

You need to wake up and start demanding they back the Hell off and leave our Bill of Rights intact.
Another example: Hate Speech, the tool designed to curb your 1st Amendment Rights, and yes, it was your side that instituted it.
So look in the mirror when you need answers, it is the emotional lib that always demands change.

You don't like what is happening? Then quit voting in crooks.
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Quote from: EHMakeup on January 20, 2013, 06:58:15 PM
I'm not confused by the process, I'm confused by your point. The process needs to be changed, no doubt about. The Dem's have utilized the opportunity to re-district as well, but never to the extent, and so blatantly and anti-democraticly. The Dem's never tried to change the way the electoral college worked in order to shift the odds dramatically in their favor.

The process should be done by independent committee, and be totally transparent. So far, however, it seems that GOP constituents want nothing more then to win at all cost, so they are happy with the manipulation of districts.
Bullshit. The Democrats never played games with redistricting! Where in the phuck do you think the term Gerrymander came from in the first place!  :angry:
At one time in Texas, the Dims had Gerrymandered the districts in Texas to the point, that Republicans were getting 60% of the vote, and only getting 35% of the House seats.
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Quote from: Yawn on January 20, 2013, 05:42:32 PM
The RINO establishment believes these are the people who can win. They HATE them radical pro-life Republicans and wish they'd shut the hell up and quit embarrassing the modern "conservative"! It's a CHOICE damn it! Why won't these extremists just shut up and go away?!
Because Yawn, extremists want power and its a loaded gun to America if liberals decide to do it.
Quote from: kramarat on January 20, 2013, 03:22:35 PM
If the GOP makes a firm commitment to the survival of the country, and the well being of future generations, as opposed to the survival of their own self centered careers..................they will win elections.

Honest people need to step up to the plate. They will have the backing of conservatives, moderates, libertarians, and what's left of blue dog democrats. It's the honesty that's lacking. The current liar in chief has presented a genuine opportunity...........but not for different liars.
This pretty much hit the bullseye. Reoublicans need to stop being on so much defensive and insert offensive into their campaign. This reminds me of the debates from last year, if Mitt had continued stating facts YET stating what he would do as president like he did in Denver, we'd be reading a whole different story today. The press needs to stop chewing on the GOP's guy as well. Like Mother Jones with the 47% percent comment video tape, that was unacceptable by all means.

Elections are meant to end in a "let the better man win" sort of thing, not "let the one with the lies, the media that has his back" win. With so many left well-known sources out there, notably NBC and CNN, the GOP continuously has to rub off the backlash given off by these journalists. Honesty is what people truly want to see in a election, not fancy, biased political ads and media slander, but honesty that would truly come out in a leader controlling our countries future for better or for worse.

As I said before, if the GOP doesnt decide to put some offensive into what they do, they will continue to lose elections and America will become a liberal, almost dictator-like country.

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Quote from: Balto on January 29, 2013, 01:58:17 PM
Because Yawn, extremists want power and its a loaded gun to America if liberals decide to do it. This pretty much hit the bullseye. Reoublicans need to stop being on so much defensive and insert offensive into their campaign. This reminds me of the debates from last year, if Mitt had continued stating facts YET stating what he would do as president like he did in Denver, we'd be reading a whole different story today. The press needs to stop chewing on the GOP's guy as well. Like Mother Jones with the 47% percent comment video tape, that was unacceptable by all means.

Elections are meant to end in a "let the better man win" sort of thing, not "let the one with the lies, the media that has his back" win. With so many left well-known sources out there, notably NBC and CNN, the GOP continuously has to rub off the backlash given off by these journalists. Honesty is what people truly want to see in a election, not fancy, biased political ads and media slander, but honesty that would truly come out in a leader controlling our countries future for better or for worse.

As I said before, if the GOP doesn't decide to put some offensive into what they do, they will continue to lose elections and America will become a liberal, almost dictator-like country.

I'm not convinced, (at all), that the GOP has the best interests of the country in their hearts, which is why they are always waffling.
So much damned power has been amassed in Washington, I think they are more concerned with controlling it than eliminating it.

That's a big problem. :sad:

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The redrawing of districts is supposed to represent the change in population and demographics / allegiances since the last time.  It's nothing more than an update too accurately reflect the current populace and the leaders in place.

Now of course in politics, it will be played with, by both sides.

If anyone whining and crying about it can prove that it's fraudulent, and reflects / accomplishes nothing that it's supposed to and claims to, then you've got a good ethics case and lawsuit.

Knock yourself out if you've got the goods.  But don't just whine because you don't like the fact that it's not your team's turn, after your team does it every time they can.

Balto

Quote from: kramarat on January 29, 2013, 02:19:04 PM
I'm not convinced, (at all), that the GOP has the best interests of the country in their hearts, which is why they are always waffling.
So much damned power has been amassed in Washington, I think they are more concerned with controlling it than eliminating it.

That's a big problem. :sad:
At the moment controlling Washington and getting it out of the democrats greedy hands is a priority but once its under our control, we can begin focusing  on how to eliminate it.