Have these idiots learned nothing? Fuglosi just shutdown the govt again.
A Republican-Democrat border security deal that is expected to be offered to President Trump funds about $1.3 billion for a United States-Mexico border wall and includes no increase in detention space to control increasing illegal immigration at the border.
Lawmakers on Capitol Hill have announced that they have reached a deal on border wall funding to avoid a government shutdown. The deal, according to details by the Washington Post, includes about $1.3 billion in border wall funding — a fraction of the $5.7 billion that Trump had requested from Republicans and Democrats.
This funding is set to provide about 55 miles of new border wall along the roughly 2,000-mile long southern border. Much like the 2018 omnibus spending, which prevented Trump from building a border wall out of new materials, the deal is set to tack on stipulations as to what the barrier can be made from and where it can be placed.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/11/gop-dem-border-deal-1-3b-for-wall-no-increase-in-detention-space/
I estimate that he will negotiate as much funding from Congress as they (bipartisan) will supply. Then, as they drag their feet "approving", he'll go ahead and get it done in other ways.
Doubt he'll let the government close again.
Quote from: Solar on February 12, 2019, 06:45:38 AM
Have these idiots learned nothing? Fuglosi just shutdown the govt again.
A Republican-Democrat border security deal that is expected to be offered to President Trump funds about $1.3 billion for a United States-Mexico border wall and includes no increase in detention space to control increasing illegal immigration at the border.
Lawmakers on Capitol Hill have announced that they have reached a deal on border wall funding to avoid a government shutdown. The deal, according to details by the Washington Post, includes about $1.3 billion in border wall funding — a fraction of the $5.7 billion that Trump had requested from Republicans and Democrats.
This funding is set to provide about 55 miles of new border wall along the roughly 2,000-mile long southern border. Much like the 2018 omnibus spending, which prevented Trump from building a border wall out of new materials, the deal is set to tack on stipulations as to what the barrier can be made from and where it can be placed.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/11/gop-dem-border-deal-1-3b-for-wall-no-increase-in-detention-space/
Quote from: Cadescove on January 26, 2019, 03:56:57 PM
I wonder why Trump doesn't just declare a national emergency and be done with it, hmmm.
The national emergency is the only bullet in his gun and there is a great chance that it's a blank. No recent "national emergency" has required mobilization of the army and such great expenditure of funds. It will be tied up in court for years (why wasn't this an emergency in 2017, 2018 or January of 2019 for that matter? Why aren't border congressman supporting this?) on the merits, then face endless eminent domain challenges from people who dont want their land taken etc.
Once he's fired that bullet all of Congress will happily wash their hands of this and go on their merry way. Trump is going to have to compromise (if he can, he hasn't shown the ability to think that way yet.) half a loaf is all he's going to get. Border security funds, and a little piece if wall.
Who would've thought?
Quote from: topside on February 12, 2019, 07:27:56 AM
I estimate that he will negotiate as much funding from Congress as they (bipartisan) will supply. Then, as they drag their feet "approving", he'll go ahead and get it done in other ways.
Doubt he'll let the government close again.
Problem is, they put some severe stipulations in the Bill. Those alone killed the deal and Fuglosi knows it, which is why the next shutdown is hers.
Trump got nothing in this. It was all about the appearance of a bipartisan deal, (Between Leftists in both party's).
Fuglosi just shot herself in the head on this one.
How in the friggin' world can you have a "bipartisan" Bill without the president agreeing to it...?
Quote from: Bronx on February 12, 2019, 09:08:22 AM
How in the friggin' world can you have a "bipartisan" Bill without the president agreeing to it...?
When leftist Dims from both party's collude to hurt the President. :sneaky:
Did I ever mention just how much I hate libs? :biggrin:
Quote from: Solar on February 12, 2019, 09:41:04 AM
When leftist Dims from both party's collude to hurt the President. :sneaky:
Did I ever mention just how much I hate libs? :biggrin:
And RINO's!!
Quote from: walkstall on February 12, 2019, 09:48:41 AM
And RINO's!!
That's what I''m talking about, but to call them RINO is softening the blow, these are actual leftist libs in the GOP, most still in charge of the party, including the Con Speaker.
This has Mc
CONnels finger prints all over it, this was designed to let Fuglosi off the hook, but they failed.
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Quote from: Solar on February 12, 2019, 09:55:28 AM
That's what I''m talking about, but to call them RINO is softening the blow, these are actual leftist libs in the GOP, most still in charge of the party, including the Con Speaker.
This has McCONnels finger prints all over it, this was designed to let Fuglosi off the hook, but they failed.
The dims just signed off on 55 miles, would that not make an emergency order easier? If the dims signed on, how could they or the liberals on a court rule a longer wall is unconstitutional? Looks like it would be pretty easy to sell to the public. What am I missing here?
Quote from: s3779m on February 12, 2019, 10:19:09 AM
The dims just signed off on 55 miles, would that not make an emergency order easier? If the dims signed on, how could they or the liberals on a court rule a longer wall is unconstitutional? Looks like it would be pretty easy to sell to the public. What am I missing here?
You're Right. Good observation, Trump just got the left to agree to a border wall/barrier/fence, the very thing they said they'd never agree to and didn't "Feel" was necessary, and what did they just do? :biggrin:
Trump wins!
Quote from: Solar on February 12, 2019, 10:44:43 AM
You're Right. Good observation, Trump just got the left to agree to a border wall/barrier/fence, the very thing they said they'd never agree to and didn't "Feel" was necessary, and what did they just do? :biggrin:
Trump wins!
I think Trump knows exactly what he is doing. He is getting a little at a time. His disappointment is by design to keep the democrats off balance.
Quote from: supsalemgr on February 12, 2019, 01:08:17 PM
I think Trump knows exactly what he is doing. He is getting a little at a time. His disappointment is by design to keep the democrats off balance.
Yep, they're being played and haven't a single clue as to what to expect, they didn't think that far ahead.
Fuglosi is completely unarmed in this battle of wits.
1.3 billion is a lot of immorality.
The spin is Trump will sign.
Problem is, he has yet to see the actual Bill, along with the rest of the Senate.
What do you think will happen?
I suspect Trump is playing it cool, claiming he will listen and read the details, give them a couple of more days to change some of the wording, and if they don't, Trump put's the shutdown right square in Fuglosi's lap.
Trump is in a win, win position, because the Dims already caved on Wall funding, and Trump still holds the option of calling for a National Emergency with 26 Billion already to go and even more after the EO goes through.
So what do you think Trump will do?.
Quote from: Solar on February 13, 2019, 12:43:40 PM
The spin is Trump will sign.
Problem is, he has yet to see the actual Bill, along with the rest of the Senate.
What do you think will happen?
I suspect Trump is playing it cool, claiming he will listen and read the details, give them a couple of more days to change some of the wording, and if they don't, Trump put's the shutdown right square in Fuglosi's lap.
Trump is in a win, win position, because the Dims already caved on Wall funding, and Trump still holds the option of calling for a National Emergency with 26 Billion already to go and even more after the EO goes through.
So what do you think Trump will do?.
I and for taking the money and run with it. Then call for a National Emergency with the 26 Billion already to go and even more after the EO goes through.
calling for a National Emergency with 26 Billion already to go and even more after the EO goes through.
Quote from: walkstall on February 13, 2019, 01:29:21 PM
I and for taking the money and run with it. Then call for a National Emergency with the 26 Billion already to go and even more after the EO goes through.
calling for a National Emergency with 26 Billion already to go and even more after the EO goes through.
I think that's why many in the media on the right are for this, they are trying to soften the impeding blow that much of his base will see as a promise broke.
However, if Trump is convincing enough and exposes how it was the Dims that caved and not him, they should be OK with not allowing the left to shut down the Govt.
Quote from: Solar on February 13, 2019, 01:57:04 PM
I think that's why many in the media on the right are for this, they are trying to soften the impeding blow that much of his base will see as a promise broke.
However, if Trump is convincing enough and exposes how it was the Dims that caved and not him, they should be OK with not allowing the left to shut down the Govt.
For over 50 years the Dem's have been taking and taking and the taxpayer get "Nothing in Return". Trump is not playing by their rules, he is out to win for all the people in the U.S. A.
Quote from: walkstall on February 13, 2019, 02:13:39 PM
For over 50 years the Dem's have been taking and taking and the taxpayer get "Nothing in Return". Trump is not playing by their rules, he is out to win for all the people in the U.S. A.
Yep, both party's play politics at the peoples expense. Trump is cutting past the shit and getting the job done, one that should have been finished a century ago.
White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders cautioned that no decision has been made on whether Trump will sign the bill, saying Wednesday morning on Fox News, "We'll see what the final package looks like but like you said and like the president himself said yesterday, he's not happy about it."
She continued, "But he's okay because he's going to get the job done no matter what. He's got alternative options and he's going to keep those on the table, again we'll see what the final package looks like and the president will make a determination on whether or not he's going to sign it."
Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney essentially outlined this plan on Fox News, saying Sunday, "We'll take as much money as you can give us and then we'll go off and find the money someplace else, legally, in order to secure that southern barrier, but this is going to get built with or without Congress."
"There are certain funds of money that he can get to without declaring a national emergency and other funds that he can only get to after declaring a national emergency," Mulvaney said.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/13/second-omnibus-trump-not-happy-border-deal/
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Quote"There are certain funds of money that he can get to without declaring a national emergency and other funds that he can only get to after declaring a national emergency," Mulvaney said.
Quote from: walkstall on February 13, 2019, 02:35:11 PM
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Yeah, I think he already lined up 27 billion not being used that can legally be Re-appropriated. :thumbsup:
Gazing into my crystal ball here is what I see: PROVIDED there is no hidden bomb by some Dem or Rino,
Trump will take the deal, it is after all a Win after Pelosi and the dems said not one dollar for the wall.
Trump has something up his sleeve, I suspect he might declare an emergency DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF REDUCED SPACE at confinement facilitites, those idiots think they ripped him off on. IE:We can't house prisoners from a caravan of 10 thou illegals claiming asylum so lets declare an emergecy and reinforce the Border with US Troops. THERE IS YOUR EXIGENT CIRCUSTANCES, not being able to confine PRISONERS. He could claim he is using the money for more bed space and more 'Humanitarian aide'....how could those clowns block him on that?
PLUS if they go into court to try and block him the fact they DID allow SOME money for a wall works in Trumps favor, it simply wasn't enough and he didn't want to shut the Govt down over it. So the Dems are hard pressed to SHOW CAUSE for a blocking injunction on a wall they already agreed to.
Either way declaring an emergency after he gets the border security package will drive the left more insane than they already are, so the entertainment/torment value alone would be worth it.
Quote from: Solar on February 13, 2019, 12:43:40 PM
The spin is Trump will sign.
Problem is, he has yet to see the actual Bill, along with the rest of the Senate.
What do you think will happen?
I suspect Trump is playing it cool, claiming he will listen and read the details, give them a couple of more days to change some of the wording, and if they don't, Trump put's the shutdown right square in Fuglosi's lap.
Trump is in a win, win position, because the Dims already caved on Wall funding, and Trump still holds the option of calling for a National Emergency with 26 Billion already to go and even more after the EO goes through.
So what do you think Trump will do?.
I think if he finds the "poison pills" some are talking about he will call BS on the democrats and not sign it as is.
Quote from: supsalemgr on February 14, 2019, 04:22:44 AM
I think if he finds the "poison pills" some are talking about he will call BS on the democrats and not sign it as is.
I cant help but feel if there are any poison pills, McConnell would have pointed them out by now. I admit to being surprised many times by how Trump"s plans play out. I still feel he has the dims right where he wants them and if getting ready to drop the hammer.
Quote from: s3779m on February 14, 2019, 04:45:54 AM
I cant help but feel if there are any poison pills, McConnell would have pointed them out by now. I admit to being surprised many times by how Trump"s plans play out. I still feel he has the dims right where he wants them and if getting ready to drop the hammer.
You have more confidence in McConnell than I do.
Quote from: supsalemgr on February 14, 2019, 04:54:50 AM
You have more confidence in McConnell than I do.
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Believe me, the bar I have for McConnell is only ankle high. I'm just hoping someone has tipped Trump off to everything in the bill before he signs it and he has already decided how to get it done. I will say this for McConnell, he has exceeded my expectations. As rino's are being weeded out, those left are getting better. I think. We will soon know, I see this as Trump's line in the sand.
Quote from: s3779m on February 14, 2019, 05:26:51 AM
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Believe me, the bar I have for McConnell is only ankle high. I'm just hoping someone has tipped Trump off to everything in the bill before he signs it and he has already decided how to get it done. I will say this for McConnell, he has exceeded my expectations. As rino's are being weeded out, those left are getting better. I think. We will soon know, I see this as Trump's line in the sand.
I do agree with you that McConnell has been friendlier to Trump. He is no idiot and sees what Trump is accomplishing.
Quote from: s3779m on February 14, 2019, 04:45:54 AM
I cant help but feel if there are any poison pills, McConnell would have pointed them out by now. I admit to being surprised many times by how Trump"s plans play out. I still feel he has the dims right where he wants them and if getting ready to drop the hammer.
That's what I see as well. We've seen this play out every time in Trump's favor and you know it was planned months in advance.
Trump will sign border bill, McConnell says, and declare national emergency
In a surprise development Thursday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell announced on the Senate floor that President Donald Trump would sign a border security funding bill that would avert a government shutdown, but also would declare a national emergency in order to get more funding for his proposed border wall.
His announcement came just before a Senate vote on the measure, which the House is scheduled to vote on Thursday evening.
Many Republicans, including McConnell, had advised the president against declaring a national emergency.
Trump had said previously he was reserving judgment on whether he'll sign the measure until he sees the final text, though the president has indicated he is warming to the deal after receiving a briefing Tuesday on its parameters from Sen. Richard Shelby, the top Republican negotiating on behalf of his party.
"We're looking for landmines," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office on Wednesday. "A shutdown would be a terrible thing. I think a point was made with the last shutdown. People realized how bad the border is, how unsafe the border is and I think a lot of good points were made, but I don't want to see another one."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/landmines-border-bill-trump-hell-sign/story?id=61047358
President Trump is getting only $1,375,000,000 for "the construction of primary pedestrian fencing, including levee pedestrian fencing, in the Rio Grande Valley," and the money comes with restrictions.
Trump's proto-type walls, such as the ones he visited last year in San Diego, are prohibited; the congressionally mandated "pedestrian fencing" may not be erected in wildlife refuges, state parks, or the National Butterfly Center; and "physical barriers" may not be built in cities and other jurisdictions until federal officials and local politicians reach mutual agreement on the design and location of those barriers.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/bill-text-1375b-current-types-pedestrian-fencing-not-near-parks-refuges
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Quote from: Solar on February 14, 2019, 12:28:07 PM
Trump will sign border bill, McConnell says, and declare national emergency
In a surprise development Thursday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell announced on the Senate floor that President Donald Trump would sign a border security funding bill that would avert a government shutdown, but also would declare a national emergency in order to get more funding for his proposed border wall.
His announcement came just before a Senate vote on the measure, which the House is scheduled to vote on Thursday evening.
Many Republicans, including McConnell, had advised the president against declaring a national emergency.
Trump had said previously he was reserving judgment on whether he'll sign the measure until he sees the final text, though the president has indicated he is warming to the deal after receiving a briefing Tuesday on its parameters from Sen. Richard Shelby, the top Republican negotiating on behalf of his party.
"We're looking for landmines," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office on Wednesday. "A shutdown would be a terrible thing. I think a point was made with the last shutdown. People realized how bad the border is, how unsafe the border is and I think a lot of good points were made, but I don't want to see another one."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/landmines-border-bill-trump-hell-sign/story?id=61047358
President Trump is getting only $1,375,000,000 for "the construction of primary pedestrian fencing, including levee pedestrian fencing, in the Rio Grande Valley," and the money comes with restrictions.
Trump's proto-type walls, such as the ones he visited last year in San Diego, are prohibited; the congressionally mandated "pedestrian fencing" may not be erected in wildlife refuges, state parks, or the National Butterfly Center; and "physical barriers" may not be built in cities and other jurisdictions until federal officials and local politicians reach mutual agreement on the design and location of those barriers.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/bill-text-1375b-current-types-pedestrian-fencing-not-near-parks-refuges
I find this development somewhat strange. Not the fact Trump may declare a national emergency, but McConnell announces it. My question is this a a coordinated effort with Trump or McConnell undermining Trump?
Quote from: Solar on February 14, 2019, 12:44:55 PM
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Not an optimal outcome but a better one then what could have happened. Even with the proposal I hear he is still going to put forth his executive action to get some of it done. While it would be nice to have it all done in one fair swoop, compromise is part of the game. Either way, the wall will still be built in my opinion, just not as fast had he received full funding from the start.
Quote from: ConservativeInCT on February 14, 2019, 12:50:50 PM
Not an optimal outcome but a better one then what could have happened. Even with the proposal I hear he is still going to put forth his executive action to get some of it done. While it would be nice to have it all done in one fair swoop, compromise is part of the game. Either way, the wall will still be built in my opinion, just not as fast had he received full funding from the start.
I expect to see a full blown operation taking place shortly, he does, after all, have 27 Billion to work with at the moment, and an EO for declaring an NE at the border will bring the wall to near completion by 2020.
Timing couldn't be better, especially when stats will show crime falling across the country, particularly drug related crimes.
Promises Made, Promises Kept. :thumbup:
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Fuglosi's attempt to stop Trump.
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Quote from: Solar on February 14, 2019, 01:24:22 PM
I expect to see a full blown operation taking place shortly, he does, after all, have 27 Billion to work with at the moment, and an EO for declaring an NE at the border will bring the wall to near completion by 2020.
Timing couldn't be better, especially when stats will show crime falling across the country, particularly drug related crimes.
Promises Made, Promises Kept. :thumbup:
Democrats will make it a lot easier to. Their stance being so radical. Trump should continue to push security and let the dems just dig themselves a grave.
I think he stated declaration of the national emergency too early. Should let the House vote settle first.
Or maybe he's daring the House to turn down the bill.
Trump's nuts are in a vice, the bill passed both chambers with a veto proof majority. The Senate passed the legislation 83-16, with both parties solidly on board. The House passed with a 300-128 bipartisan vote.
He vetoes, he not only looks weak, he is weak.
Quote from: Cadescove on February 14, 2019, 07:30:33 PM
Trump's nuts are in a vice, the bill passed both chambers with a veto proof majority. The Senate passed the legislation 83-16, with both parties solidly on board. The House passed with a 300-128 bipartisan vote.
He vetoes, he not only looks weak, he is weak.
Yep...Trump is so weak he with stood a coup at the highest level of in the United States of America from the FBI and DOJ. Kiss your treasonous traitor former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe ass good bye. You better hope he does't sing my friend because a whole boat load of folks you worship will be in trouble.
But hey it's still okay to cry aimlessly into the sky because your queen got her rump roast handed to her. Take that hood off that is blinding you and come see what this badass president is going for the people of the United States of America.
Quote from: Cadescove on February 14, 2019, 07:30:33 PM
Trump's nuts are in a vice, the bill passed both chambers with a veto proof majority. The Senate passed the legislation 83-16, with both parties solidly on board. The House passed with a 300-128 bipartisan vote.
He vetoes, he not only looks weak, he is weak.
Yep Trump's weak okay.....
Put this in you pipe and smoke it....
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/02/14/this-is-how-this-democratic-rep-thinks-about-minority-unemployment-hitting-alltime-lows-blah-blah-blah-n2541489
Quote from: Cadescove on February 14, 2019, 07:30:33 PM
Trump's nuts are in a vice, the bill passed both chambers with a veto proof majority. The Senate passed the legislation 83-16, with both parties solidly on board. The House passed with a 300-128 bipartisan vote.
He vetoes, he not only looks weak, he is weak.
If you believe Trump was not on board with this plan I have some beach property in eastern Colorado you might be interested in. This deal was put together by Trump and McConnell.
"A DHS official told Fox News that terms like "potential sponsor" have precise meanings in Department of Homeland Security regulations — meanings that severely limit the number of people the budget keeps safe from deportation."
Further, because the bill only applies to kids who are unaccompanied, it does not provide protection for those bringing kids into the US.
Another major alleged "poison pill" that may be misunderstood is a clause requiring the federal government to "confer and seek to reach mutual agreement" with local governments before building any wall.
The Center for Immigration Studies, which favors lower immigration levels, tweeted that "the spending bill would give local governments in the Rio Grande (all of which are *heavily* Democratic) the ability to veto the fence. If those blue municipalities don't agree with DHS, the fence can't get built."
But the DHS official told Fox News on background that the exact language in the budget — "confer and seek to reach mutual agreement" – nowhere requires the federal government to actually reach an agreement before building fences.
Rather, it just requires DHS to consult with local governments – something DHS already generally does, the official noted.
www.foxnews.com/politics/dhs-official-border-security-bill-does-not-contain-amnesty-poison-pills
Fact of the matter is Trump is a business man who has dealt with others all his life that have skin in the game. Now he's learning that his opponents don't care if they win or lose, let alone the US of A. He's a very smart man learning as he goes in a totally different game. I still got his back.
Quote from: Cadescove on February 14, 2019, 07:30:33 PM
Trump's nuts are in a vice, the bill passed both chambers with a veto proof majority. The Senate passed the legislation 83-16, with both parties solidly on board. The House passed with a 300-128 bipartisan vote.
He vetoes, he not only looks weak, he is weak.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/74BNOUCgKRI/
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Quote from: Cadescove on February 14, 2019, 07:30:33 PM
Trump's nuts are in a vice, the bill passed both chambers with a veto proof majority. The Senate passed the legislation 83-16, with both parties solidly on board. The House passed with a 300-128 bipartisan vote.
He vetoes, he not only looks weak, he is weak.
Don't try so hard. You look too obvious.
Quote from: Cadescove on February 14, 2019, 07:30:33 PM
Trump's nuts are in a vice, the bill passed both chambers with a veto proof majority. The Senate passed the legislation 83-16, with both parties solidly on board. The House passed with a 300-128 bipartisan vote.
He vetoes, he not only looks weak, he is weak.
You're right, this time the libs have Trump right where they want him! This time they really do have him. This time he will have to bow down to them.(did Trump ever learn how to bow down like obama perfected?), this time the impeachment will start....... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: s3779m on February 19, 2019, 04:11:54 AM
You're right, this time the libs have Trump right where they want him! This time they really do have him. This time he will have to bow down to them.(did Trump ever learn how to bow down like obama perfected?), this time the impeachment will start....... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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At this rate, they'll be in GITMO sitting around in the yard telling each other they have Trump right where they want him......
Quote from: taxed on February 19, 2019, 04:14:07 AM
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At this rate, they'll be in GITMO sitting around in the yard telling each other they have Trump right where they want him......
Another Faked Hate Crime,, and Trump is toast. :lol: