Quote from: topside on April 08, 2018, 01:59:20 PM
We're seeing a transient as the decisions ripple through globalist mindsets.

Our standards are different - we treat our workers much better than China. The tariffs are effectively a cost required to oppose the offset in standards.

Causing more of a balance will allow us to produce tangible materials and products again - something we sorely need to return to. You can't eat knowledge or service work; nor can you construct a building with it. A car won't run on art. You can't feed your family with a pound of Facebook. Innovation doesn't happen in universities ... it comes from trying ideas and solving new problems - and the most pressing problems are found when you construct something tangible. We need to move away from some of the pretend value.   

With the tariffs, we will become more competitive in the long-run. Prices on some things will naturally rise because of tariffs or more labor costs. So I expect the "ringing in the system" to dampen out - but you never know in the contrived stock market totally driven by perception - more pretend value. I miss the days when you invested in a company because of what it was doing and it's value wasn't tied to the social and political winds.

But China forcing in-kind tariffs works against them. It will further drive the incentive not to work with China. They aren't helping their own cause. I expect a negotiation to take place eventually that gets rid of some of the imbalance - I think that's where Trump is headed.

This is also where the Unions need to be held at bay.   As the Unions will be jumping on this big time for more money.

Quote from: walkstall on April 08, 2018, 02:17:45 PM

This is also where the Unions need to be held at bay.   As the Unions will be jumping on this big time for more money.

Maybe we could sent the union reps. over there.

Quote from: s3779m on April 08, 2018, 02:43:06 PM
Maybe we could sent the union reps. over there.

There would be no red carpet and he would be dead before getting to his  hotel room.

Quote from: walkstall on April 08, 2018, 02:49:31 PM
There would be no red carpet and he would be dead before getting to his  hotel room.

Yeah, I didn't see any down side either.

Quote from: s3779m on April 08, 2018, 03:02:16 PM
Yeah, I didn't see any down side either.

Quote from: s3779m on April 08, 2018, 03:02:16 PM
Yeah, I didn't see any down side either.

ROFL!!!

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/09/chinese-president-xi-jinping-speaks-at-boao-forum-for-asia.html

Just a little tidbit I picked up on this morning. We will not see much about this in the MSM as it reflects Trump's actions may be having the positive impact he desires. I find it interesting the Chicom leader says China does not desire such a trade surplus. I read this as he understands greed is a terrible thing and does not want to kill the golden goose - the USA.

Quote from: supsalemgr on April 10, 2018, 04:46:48 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/09/chinese-president-xi-jinping-speaks-at-boao-forum-for-asia.html

Just a little tidbit I picked up on this morning. We will not see much about this in the MSM as it reflects Trump's actions may be having the positive impact he desires. I find it interesting the Chicom leader says China does not desire such a trade surplus. I read this as he understands greed is a terrible thing and does not want to kill the golden goose - the USA.

I knew China didn't have a leg to stand on. Thing is, China really isn't offering nearly enough and they know it.
I expect Trump to push even harder, and yes, China will concede, grudgingly.

China's Xi announces plans to 'open' China, including lowering tariffs on imported autos
Chinese President Xi Jinping speaks at the Boao Forum for Asia on Tuesday.
He discussed plans to further open up the Chinese economy, including "significantly" lowering import tariffs for autos, decreasing duties on other products, enforcing the legal intellectual property of foreign firms and improving the investment environment for international companies.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/09/chinese-president-xi-jinping-speaks-at-boao-forum-for-asia.html

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Very thankful for President Xi of China's kind words on tarrifs and automobile barriers...also, his enlightenment on intellectual property and technology transfers. We will make great progress together!

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Very thankful for President Xi of China's kind words on tarrifs and automobile barriers...also, his enlightenment on intellectual property and technology transfers. We will make great progress together!

Isn't Trump a lucky guy. He just seems to be getting things right.

Quote from: supsalemgr on April 10, 2018, 12:22:09 PM
Isn't Trump a lucky guy. He just seems to be getting things right.

Once in a while I try imagining the shock the world leaders- friend & foe, alike- are feeling when they discover that America actually has a leader instead of a spineless, grinnin', self-aggrandizing  fool.

Quote from: supsalemgr on April 10, 2018, 12:22:09 PM
Isn't Trump a lucky guy. He just seems to be getting things right.

What's sad, is all of our previous leaders could have done what Trump is doing, but the truth is, they were all leftist since Reagan left.
Trump is the first POTIUS to actually do what the American people have been demanding for decades.

Quote from: Belenus on April 10, 2018, 12:33:28 PM
Once in a while I try imagining the shock the world leaders- friend & foe, alike- are feeling when they discover that America actually has a leader instead of a spineless, grinnin', self-aggrandizing  fool.

You hit it on the head. I'm really starting to like this President.

Quote from: Solar on April 10, 2018, 12:53:03 PM
What's sad, is all of our previous leaders could have done what Trump is doing, but the truth is, they were all leftist since Reagan left.
Trump is the first POTIUS to actually do what the American people have been demanding for decades.

We need to make sure that after trump we dont have to wait around another 30 years for a decent patriot president.

Quote from: T Hunt on April 10, 2018, 09:26:19 PM
We need to make sure that after trump we dont have to wait around another 30 years for a decent patriot president.

That's why this forum exists, we're here to fight and make our opinions known.