Proof..Democrats want to register and then CONFISCATE our guns.

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Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 23, 2013, 10:15:26 PM
Who the heck is dependant on the Koch Brothers(who I'd never even heard of until last year) for employment other than their immediate staff? The unions control a broad spectrum of labor across the nation ALWAYS HAVE

Unions are flat out democrat...have been since my father was a Union official in the steel mills in the 1960's.

However, I'd be willing to bet a there are a lot of pub voting union members because not every one is a sock puppet.
Not to mention virtually every Union today has Communist ties.
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Quote from: EHMakeup on January 23, 2013, 08:46:12 PM
Well, whoever the communist party wants to support is up to them, I don't put a lot of stake in anything the say, so its sort of a wash to me on that front. However, I get your point, though I disagree. Dems do support gay rights, and they do support higher taxes, however no higher then taxes then what existed in the 80's and 90's. The difference being that they are willing to compromise. It's not a their way or the highway kind of argument. The dems seem to understand the importance of compromise, I don't see that out the GOP.
Ugghhh...Who is demanding higher taxes, and who is compromising?
If I demand your car, is your giving me your spare tire a compromise?

Did it even occur to you that cutting spending would be compromise? Yet the Dims refused, so where was the compromising?
Just because someone demands something, doesn't mean you're obligated yo compromise.
Do you get it now?

And having the backing of the Communist party is huge, it's never happened in our entire history.
In other words, the Dim party moved so far left, that even commies agree with them.

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This is what the little liberal kids and arrested adults do.  On the internet, in real life, and in politics.

A coy little game of rope-a-dope, hide & seek, flim & flam.

They cry that we should be compromising whenever the GOP stands up for / to anything....and conveniently ignore that Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Biden are some of the biggest stonewallers and intransigents ever in the US govt.

They repeat "Koch Brothers" in virtually every sentence, and conveniently forget about Soros, Ted Turner, Bloomberg, Buffet, Hollywood, 95% of the media, and so on.

They scream about FOX, Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck.....and conveniently forget that they are not the 95% of the media that is hardcore left.

They mumble about the media being conservative, with no possibility of this being honest or credible.

They talk about Bushes war, rich cronies, corporate welfare, etc.....and won't discuss Obama's complete and total re-run of all the same things.

Rinse and Repeat, oh, another 500 times.

They play this low level game of vacuous, oblivious, silly, obtuse regarding dem crimes......buit are real muckrakers on every perceived or manufactured GOP accusation.  Look at the 101 incredibly stupid fabrications for Romney....yet not enough intelligence to grasp that anything's wrong with Fast & Furious, White House Leaks, Benghazi, Hillary's fake absenses, the incredibly convenient Petraeus debacle, x 100.

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Quote from: AndyJackson on January 24, 2013, 06:47:37 AM
This is what the little liberal kids and arrested adults do.  On the internet, in real life, and in politics.

A coy little game of rope-a-dope, hide & seek, flim & flam.

They cry that we should be compromising whenever the GOP stands up for / to anything....and conveniently ignore that Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Biden are some of the biggest stonewallers and intransigents ever in the US govt.

They repeat "Koch Brothers" in virtually every sentence, and conveniently forget about Soros, Ted Turner, Bloomberg, Buffet, Hollywood, 95% of the media, and so on.

They scream about FOX, Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck.....and conveniently forget that they are not the 95% of the media that is hardcore left.

They mumble about the media being conservative, with no possibility of this being honest or credible.

They talk about Bushes war, rich cronies, corporate welfare, etc.....and won't discuss Obama's complete and total re-run of all the same things.

Rinse and Repeat, oh, another 500 times.

They play this low level game of vacuous, oblivious, silly, obtuse regarding dem crimes......buit are real muckrakers on every perceived or manufactured GOP accusation.  Look at the 101 incredibly stupid fabrications for Romney....yet not enough intelligence to grasp that anything's wrong with Fast & Furious, White House Leaks, Benghazi, Hillary's fake absenses, the incredibly convenient Petraeus debacle, x 100.
I swear Andy, it's all emotion, as in Stockholm syndrome emotion, regardless of how bad their master performs, they ignore reality and defend out of emotional anger to protect.
No matter how much proof we give them, their emotional attachment overrules.

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Quote from: Solar on January 24, 2013, 06:41:39 AM
Ugghhh...Who is demanding higher taxes, and who is compromising?
If I demand your car, is your giving me your spare tire a compromise?

Did it even occur to you that cutting spending would be compromise? Yet the Dims refused, so where was the compromising?
Just because someone demands something, doesn't mean you're obligated yo compromise.
Do you get it now?

And having the backing of the Communist party is huge, it's never happened in our entire history.
In other words, the Dim party moved so far left, that even commies agree with them.

Am I getting through to you? Is This Thing On?

It's absolutely ridiculous to compare the governing body of the United States of America, to buying a car. It's simply absurd. The definition of compromise is "an agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions". Buying a car is not a dispute, so no, I don't get, because it makes no sense.

Furthermore, the federal government is not spending money, hand over fist with reckless disregard. It's actually spending less then any President's administration in the last thirty years, (http://www.politicalruminations.com/images/1OTHER/growth-federal-government-spending.jpg). Anyone acting like the democrats just want to shovel money to special interests and send the bill to the wealthiest Americans is completely disingenuous, at best. I am not saying that the democrats have been the most willing party to find a compromise, but they are not the ones who went out refusing to even consider raising any taxes, and even going so far at to sign a pledge not to do it. Everything should be on the table, entitlements, subsidies, taxes, all of it. It all needs an overhaul. There is a problem however, when the two sides can't even agree on simple fact. Take the taxes argument for example. When former President Bush signed the tax cut bills in 2001 and 2003, they carried an expiration date. Why? Because they were not paid for and would exponentially add to the national deficit, according to the CBO. When that expiration date finally came around, the GOP started screaming that the dems want to raise taxes, and punish the wealthy. How do you have a conversation and compromise with that sort of false narrative?

You are getting through, but you aren't making any sense. You're tossing around accusations, and idiocies that you don't back us with facts, studies, published articles, nothing of substance. Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they are suffering from "Stockholm syndrome". It means they see and interpret things differently then you, but does not make one side or the other right. That is the problem with political parties these days. If someone disagrees with their narrative, they must be idiots, and be ridiculed to no end. It seems so inefficient and totally unproductive.

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Quote from: EHMakeup on January 24, 2013, 07:49:32 AM
It's absolutely ridiculous to compare the governing body of the United States of America, to buying a car. It's simply absurd. The definition of compromise is "an agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions". Buying a car is not a dispute, so no, I don't get, because it makes no sense.

Furthermore, the federal government is not spending money, hand over fist with reckless disregard. It's actually spending less then any President's administration in the last thirty years, (http://www.politicalruminations.com/images/1OTHER/growth-federal-government-spending.jpg). Anyone acting like the democrats just want to shovel money to special interests and send the bill to the wealthiest Americans is completely disingenuous, at best. I am not saying that the democrats have been the most willing party to find a compromise, but they are not the ones who went out refusing to even consider raising any taxes, and even going so far at to sign a pledge not to do it. Everything should be on the table, entitlements, subsidies, taxes, all of it. It all needs an overhaul. There is a problem however, when the two sides can't even agree on simple fact. Take the taxes argument for example. When former President Bush signed the tax cut bills in 2001 and 2003, they carried an expiration date. Why? Because they were not paid for and would exponentially add to the national deficit, according to the CBO. When that expiration date finally came around, the GOP started screaming that the dems want to raise taxes, and punish the wealthy. How do you have a conversation and compromise with that sort of false narrative?

You are getting through, but you aren't making any sense. You're tossing around accusations, and idiocies that you don't back us with facts, studies, published articles, nothing of substance. Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they are suffering from "Stockholm syndrome". It means they see and interpret things differently then you, but does not make one side or the other right. That is the problem with political parties these days. If someone disagrees with their narrative, they must be idiots, and be ridiculed to no end. It seems so inefficient and totally unproductive.
OMG!!! Are you serious?
Slicing and dicing numbers to prove your point doesn't fly here, try using facts in context with reality.




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Quote from: Solar on January 24, 2013, 08:06:53 AM
OMG!!! Are you serious?
Slicing and dicing numbers to prove your point doesn't fly here, try using facts in context with reality.






I'm not 'slicing and dicing' numbers, lol. I'm showing you another side of the picture. Yes, projected growth for the deficit will definitely rise, but it's not because the federal government has decided to spend more then it has in the past. It's because we've already committed to expenditures that will add to the deficit. There are a TON of inefficient programs, department and initiatives that NEED to be overhauled. My question is, how the heck do we get to dealing with those things, when we can't even agree on fact! I'm not disputing anything you have put forward (other then the idiotic insult you seem to be so fond of), but there is additional information that you are refusing to acknowledge.

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I was just reminded this morning about how the liberals chose Neville Chamberlain over Churchill before the war, and then kicked Churchill out of office immediately after he saved them from their first debacle.

And today it's the undying, unstoppable love for Obama.

It's like an entire political and social movement based on the insane ramblings of a bipolar child.

Nothing they say and do can even be disguised as logical or survivable.....but it's their mythology and mantra.

And they don't care that everyone knows it's wrong......it's theirs and they will have their way.  And when it all goes to hell they will just blame somebody else.

It's friggin unbelievable, but we are there.

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Quote from: EHMakeup on January 24, 2013, 08:17:21 AM
I'm not 'slicing and dicing' numbers, lol. I'm showing you another side of the picture. Yes, projected growth for the deficit will definitely rise, but it's not because the federal government has decided to spend more then it has in the past. It's because we've already committed to expenditures that will add to the deficit. There are a TON of inefficient programs, department and initiatives that NEED to be overhauled. My question is, how the heck do we get to dealing with those things, when we can't even agree on fact! I'm not disputing anything you have put forward (other then the idiotic insult you seem to be so fond of), but there is additional information that you are refusing to acknowledge.

It's interesting that everything you bemoan as needing change, is all rooted in the classic liberal philosophy of growing govt ever bigger, physically and financially.

But your golden key that lets you shift the blame is that we can't agree on something that you've yet to identify or define.

Can you list these things that magically let the liberal template off the hook, for what they've done over the last 4 years, and are currently doubling down ?

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Quote from: AndyJackson on January 24, 2013, 11:12:08 AM
It's interesting that everything you bemoan as needing change, is all rooted in the classic liberal philosophy of growing govt ever bigger, physically and financially.


Valid, though unproductive. Classic liberal philosophy does not move us forward, nor does classic conservative philosophy, for that matter, because it's all out dated. We need new philosophies, and the most effective ideas from both sides, integrated will all new perspectives.

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But your golden key that lets you shift the blame is that we can't agree on something that you've yet to identify or define.

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I don't believe I blamed any one side over another for the mess we currently reside. The one, singular point that I have tried to make, as that there could be value in sitting down with both set of ideals and taking the best of both worlds. The problem is, neither side wants to admit that the other guy might have a good idea once in a while

What I gather from most of the points on this board is that 'liberals' are simply idiots, and the only way to handle them it to ignore them all together. That doesn't seem to be constructive.


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Can you list these things that magically let the liberal template off the hook, for what they've done over the last 4 years, and are currently doubling down ?
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You are entirely right in making the point that liberal shouldn't be let off the hook. Your right, but I would suggest that no politician should be allowed of the hook. Conservative, liberal, they all serve their donors. Not their constituents, they follow the instruction of the people who line their pockets and then they pay people to spin it in a way that makes the members of their party support their side, and vilify the other guys. Once again, that gets us no where, but yelling at each other. That's never seemed productive to me. The problem is that we all just lop it up and feed into that. How do we stop that? I have no idea, but I can sure as heck see it happening all around me.

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Quote from: EHMakeup on January 28, 2013, 07:13:25 PM
Valid, though unproductive. Classic liberal philosophy does not move us forward, nor does classic conservative philosophy, for that matter, because it's all out dated. We need new philosophies, and the most effective ideas from both sides, integrated will all new perspectives.



But your golden key that lets you shift the blame is that we can't agree on something that you've yet to identify or define.



I don't believe I blamed any one side over another for the mess we currently reside. The one, singular point that I have tried to make, as that there could be value in sitting down with both set of ideals and taking the best of both worlds. The problem is, neither side wants to admit that the other guy might have a good idea once in a while

What I gather from most of the points on this board is that 'liberals' are simply idiots, and the only way to handle them it to ignore them all together. That doesn't seem to be constructive.



Can you list these things that magically let the liberal template off the hook, for what they've done over the last 4 years, and are currently doubling down ?


You are entirely right in making the point that liberal shouldn't be let off the hook. Your right, but I would suggest that no politician should be allowed of the hook. Conservative, liberal, they all serve their donors. Not their constituents, they follow the instruction of the people who line their pockets and then they pay people to spin it in a way that makes the members of their party support their side, and vilify the other guys. Once again, that gets us no where, but yelling at each other. That's never seemed productive to me. The problem is that we all just lop it up and feed into that. How do we stop that? I have no idea, but I can sure as heck see it happening all around me.

We get back to a country that is based on the strength of the individual, and return government to it's originally intended role.

Horrible things will continue to happen; car crashes, cancer, obesity, drug use, and yes, the occasional mass shooting at the hands of a deranged killer. Government is powerless to stop any of them. They need to stop trying. They are bankrupting us.

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Quote from: supsalemgr on January 29, 2013, 01:46:57 PM
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One of my FB friends posted this link. The article is self explanatory and the same old Obama BS. However, take a look at some of the comments. I am not familiar with the site, but it is apparently designed for LE officers. There is hope. We just cannot lose the faith.

Good for them!!!

I've seen that site before. Obama might as well face it; liberalism and law enforcement don't go hand in hand.

The cops I know are so fed up with lib judges turning violent offenders loose, they could spit. They risk their lives to apprehend these people, and unless it's something like murder, they are back on the street in 90 days. It's sickness.