Quote from: WhiteChristianGirl(tm) on June 17, 2017, 09:21:20 PM
I'm surprised at the lack of general intelligence, but let me explain how global warming works. When plants take CO2, they use the carbon to build their bodies and release the oxygen. These plants are fossilized over millions of years in carbon sinks. When we dig these up and burn them as fossil fuel, we're releasing millions of years worth of carbon into the atmosphere in the space of a few decades. The CO2 in the atmosphere, along with other greenhouse gasses we are releasing absorb infrared light and keep it trapped in the atmosphere. Millions of years worth of carbon is being released, a few plants aren't going to convert it back into carbon and fossilize it faster than we're releasing, the only way to stop global warming is to stop releasing carbon

Now your saying carbon is bad?! Aren't we carbon-based lifeforms?

Quote from: taxed on June 17, 2017, 09:58:42 PM
Because in order to think that humans can affect nature by any significant way, I'd have to be stupid.  I've been having this argument with greenies since the 90s, and they have always been wrong, every time.  What's worse is you guys continue to stick with your same BS and don't change.  So, why should I believe you now when you have been wrong for decades?

They have changed their tune, once...back in the 70s we were headed into another ice age

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2015/04/18/wrong-bill-maher-reporting-global-cooling-70s-not-limited-single-story

Here is a list of articles from the 70s warning of the coming ice age:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/01/global-cooling-compilation/

Now its, the oceans are rising

And they think GW is a big thing. 

There Have Been 296 Earthquakes In The Vicinity Of The Yellowstone Supervolcano Within The Last 7 Days

more @
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/there-have-been-296-earthquakes-in-the-vicinity-of-the-yellowstone-supervolcano-within-the-last-7-days

Quote from: walkstall on June 20, 2017, 10:22:09 AM
And they think GW is a big thing. 

There Have Been 296 Earthquakes In The Vicinity Of The Yellowstone Supervolcano Within The Last 7 Days

more @
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/there-have-been-296-earthquakes-in-the-vicinity-of-the-yellowstone-supervolcano-within-the-last-7-days

Thanks for the info; I had forgotten about this and I had read a similar report on Yellowstone about 6  months ago.  Who knows when it will decide the fate of our nation; though the article I read stated it could happen soon.  The lava pool is larger than they first calculated is not a good sign...the fact that it's not being reported by the MSM is troubling.  Keeping it under wraps I suppose so people don't panic; actually there isn't a damn thing we can do. 

Quote from: Ms.Independence on June 20, 2017, 01:28:37 PM
Thanks for the info; I had forgotten about this and I had read a similar report on Yellowstone about 6  months ago.  Who knows when it will decide the fate of our nation; though the article I read stated it could happen soon.  The lava pool is larger than they first calculated is not a good sign...the fact that it's not being reported by the MSM is troubling.  Keeping it under wraps I suppose so people don't panic; actually there isn't a damn thing we can do.

Hope the hell you live up wind when it blows. 

Quote from: Ms.Independence on June 20, 2017, 01:28:37 PM
Thanks for the info; I had forgotten about this and I had read a similar report on Yellowstone about 6  months ago.  Who knows when it will decide the fate of our nation; though the article I read stated it could happen soon.  The lava pool is larger than they first calculated is not a good sign...the fact that it's not being reported by the MSM is troubling.  Keeping it under wraps I suppose so people don't panic; actually there isn't a damn thing we can do.

I've gotten word that Calif has brought in a shit load of geologists very recently, word is, the San Andreas fault is getting weird.

We live in the deep deep south so I don't think we'd be immediately affected by the fallout from the ash ... problem of course would be water and food. I'm a prepper; we might be ok for a short while (maybe hopeful thinking) but it is difficult to fathom what it would be like with most of the country to be buried in 10 ft. of ash. Certainly the food and water supplies would cease.  Even if one had seeds and some uncontaminated soil, it would seem with no sun and poor indoor air quality, not much would grow. The cooling wouldn't be too bad, but hopefully as you stated which way the winds would be blowing would be a definite determining factor. 

Hold on a sec.
(dang computer isn't allowing me to open multiple windows....)

QuoteEach year, 1,000 to 3,000 earthquakes occur within Yellowstone National Park and its immediate surroundings. Although most are too small to be felt, these quakes reflect the active nature of the Yellowstone region, one of the most seismically active areas in the United States. Each year, several quakes of magnitude 3 to 4 are felt by people in the park.

This is from the USGS website & from Yellowstone's website, google it.

Tesla car battery production releases as much CO2 as 8 years of gasoline driving.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/20/tesla-car-battery-production-releases-as-much-co2-as-8-years-of-gasoline-driving/

Quote from: walkstall on June 21, 2017, 07:05:41 AM
Tesla car battery production releases as much CO2 as 8 years of gasoline driving.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/20/tesla-car-battery-production-releases-as-much-co2-as-8-years-of-gasoline-driving/

Not only that, but were do the cars get the electricity they recharge the batteries with? The outlet. And were does that elecricity come from? A coal plant.

Quote from: walkstall on June 21, 2017, 07:05:41 AM
Tesla car battery production releases as much CO2 as 8 years of gasoline driving.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/20/tesla-car-battery-production-releases-as-much-co2-as-8-years-of-gasoline-driving/

Damn! There's those inconvenient facts that keep getting in the way.

But wait, it gets even worse! Temperature and depth of discharge, as well as how long it remained discharged play a huge part in Li degradation.
In lead acid battery technology, a standard is 100 to 200 cycles in a deep cycle battery and it's essentially dead at that point, but you can avoid cycling if you recharge before 70% of capacity.

Not so with Li batteries, 300 to 500 cycles, but consider you drive a commute within the distance of the manufacturer's mileage claims?
This would literally cut the life of the battery in half, meaning you'd have to replace it within 4 years, also meaning you literally doubled your Co2 footprint you so proudly and smugly wore when you purchased your new Tesla.


Obviously, nobody knows exactly how long Tesla packs will last. The math is somewhat simple, though. The full capacity of a lithium-ion battery cell should be good for 300 to 500 cycles. So if you drive a Roadster through 300 194-mile standard-mode cycles, it translates to 58,200 miles. If it's 500 cycles, how does 97,000 miles on one set of batteries sound?

The lithium-ion battery works on ion movement between the positive and negative electrodes. In theory such a mechanism should work forever, but cycling, elevated temperature and aging decrease the performance over time. Manufacturers take a conservative approach and specify the life of Li-ion in most consumer products as being between 300 and 500 discharge/charge cycles.

Evaluating battery life on counting cycles is not conclusive because a discharge may vary in depth and there are no clearly defined standards of what constitutes a cycle (see BU-501: Basics About Discharging). In lieu of cycle count, some device manufacturers suggest battery replacement on a date stamp, but this method does not take usage into account. A battery may fail within the allotted time due to heavy use or unfavorable temperature conditions; however, most packs last considerably longer than what the stamp indicates.

The performance of a battery is measured in capacity, a leading health indicator. Internal resistance and self-discharge also play roles, but these are less significant in predicting the end of battery life with modern Li-ion.

Figure 1 illustrates the capacity drop of 11 Li-polymer batteries that have been cycled at a Cadex laboratory. The 1,500mAh pouch cells for mobile phones were first charged at a current of 1,500mA (1C) to 4.20V/cell and then allowed to saturate to 0.05C (75mA) as part of the full charge saturation. The batteries were then discharged at 1,500mA to 3.0V/cell, and the cycle was repeated. The expected capacity loss of Li-ion batteries was uniform over the delivered 250 cycles and the batteries performed as expected.

Isn't it odd how libs claim to be so concerned about the enviornment, yet they wind up doing twice the damage?

One example is electric cars.

Another is windmills.

Libs will tout to the rafters what a great source of renewable energy windmills are, yet they won't mention windmills dirty little secret:

Quote from: Ghoulardi on June 21, 2017, 03:26:15 PM
Isn't it odd how libs claim to be so concerned about the enviornment, yet they wind up doing twice the damage?

One example is electric cars.

Another is windmills.

Libs will tout to the rafters what a great source of renewable energy windmills are, yet they won't mention windmills dirty little secret:

OOOOHHH That says it all.

Quote from: Solar on June 21, 2017, 03:43:41 PM
OOOOHHH That says it all.

Not really. It's just a very small piece in a gigantic jigsaw puzzle.

Both your Tesla post and my windmill post should have people asking: What is all these green measures really doing to the enviornment?

After all, if the envionment is really their concern, they'd be looking at what their measures to protect it are doing to it, wouldn't they?

Quote from: Ghoulardi on June 21, 2017, 04:25:12 PM
Not really. It's just a very small piece in a gigantic jigsaw puzzle.

Both your Tesla post and my windmill post should have people asking: What is all these green measures really doing to the enviornment?

After all, if the envionment is really their concern, they'd be looking at what their measures to protect it are doing to it, wouldn't they?

I say it's a perfect example because it hits home, that the left could give a rats ass about the environment or God's creations.

They exposed themselves decades ago with their willingness to destroy, arguably the cleanest energy source on the planet, nuclear.
The one source that can provide unlimited, safe and reliable power in the remotest locations on the planet and beyond, increasing output as demand increases, portable enough to power a home or big enough to power an entire nation.
Yes, the left rejected it for no other reason, than it interfered with their long term goal of destroying the nation's ability to produce cheap energy to power our factories that drive our capitalist way of life.

But can you convince brainwashed tools like thew whitechristiangirl? Hell no! They're emotionally involved and refuse any information that may prove their emotional investment was a leftist scam.