Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine

Started by Solar, November 02, 2019, 05:58:55 PM

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wally

Quote from: taxed on November 07, 2019, 01:50:57 PM
I wish they'd think of something new. This Ukraine hoax is getting boring....
They attempted to turn the tables on Trump with their latest hoax.  However, the chickens are coming home to roost and their efforts are about to boomerang right into the Obama Whitehouse.

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Killer Clouds

The rumblings are now starting that the ukraine call is proof of extortion and bribery.

wally

Quote from: Killer Clouds on November 07, 2019, 02:37:39 PM
The rumblings are now starting that the ukraine call is proof of extortion and bribery.
Extortion and Bribery are crimes.  The DOJ has determine there were no crimes committed.  The "rumblings' are coming from members of The Resistance who are engaged in an illegal coup attempting to overturn the results of the 2016 election.


The criminal investigations are not in the purview of Congress, with is the Legislative branch.  There 'investigations' are purely for oversight and political reasons.
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tiny1

Yanno, it occurs to me, that this is the ultimate act of desperation.  They have to know, that their antics are turning off voters, on both sides of the aisle.  They have to know, that this impeachment Scam will never get past the Senate.  They have to know, that this is a coordinated effort from the main players pushing this insanity.  And I am sure that they are aware that they are about to be exposed for the traitorous dealings they have been party to.
They claim they are doing their OVERSIGHT.  LIE.  They claim they are defending their candidate from illegal campaign violations. LIE. They claim they are defending the Constitution. LIE. 
Critics say they are just upset that they lost.  Critics say they have to destroy Trump to gain Power.  Critics say they think this will defame him enough to cause Americans to choose to vote for someone else.  Since, by their frantic behavior, they have conceded that none of this is true, they are not behaving rationally.
Which gives birth to the question, "What could be so important that they would choose to lose the 2020 election, in order to stop Trump from his investigation?" 
The only thing I could come up with, is that they have more to lose than their Congressional Seats.  Remember Hillary's Words, "If that F***ing Bastard wins we'll all hang from Nooses!" They have more to hide, than a dislike for Trump.  They have to risk everything to try to avoid PROSECUTION.  Their Desperation is telling, in that they are ignoring their constituents, irrationally boxing themselves in, and all but conceding defeat next November.  They've endangered their colleagues in Trump favorable districts.  They've made a mockery of the US Congress, and they have cost America billions in lost revenue by NOT doing their jobs. 
And all this to retaliate for Trump beating Hillary???  When the next election is less than a year away, why risk everything to stop Trump from being reelected?  To possibly lose House and Senate in order to redeem Hillary's reputation?  To cover for Biden?
Nope.  It can only be reasoned that they are trying to cover up SOMETHING BIG.  Thoughts? 

Solar

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Quote from: tiny1 on November 08, 2019, 06:32:03 AM
Yanno, it occurs to me, that this is the ultimate act of desperation.  They have to know, that their antics are turning off voters, on both sides of the aisle.  They have to know, that this impeachment Scam will never get past the Senate.  They have to know, that this is a coordinated effort from the main players pushing this insanity.  And I am sure that they are aware that they are about to be exposed for the traitorous dealings they have been party to.
They claim they are doing their OVERSIGHT.  LIE.  They claim they are defending their candidate from illegal campaign violations. LIE. They claim they are defending the Constitution. LIE. 
Critics say they are just upset that they lost.  Critics say they have to destroy Trump to gain Power.  Critics say they think this will defame him enough to cause Americans to choose to vote for someone else.  Since, by their frantic behavior, they have conceded that none of this is true, they are not behaving rationally.
Which gives birth to the question, "What could be so important that they would choose to lose the 2020 election, in order to stop Trump from his investigation?" 
The only thing I could come up with, is that they have more to lose than their Congressional Seats.  Remember Hillary's Words, "If that F***ing Bastard wins we'll all hang from Nooses!" They have more to hide, than a dislike for Trump.  They have to risk everything to try to avoid PROSECUTION.  Their Desperation is telling, in that they are ignoring their constituents, irrationally boxing themselves in, and all but conceding defeat next November.  They've endangered their colleagues in Trump favorable districts.  They've made a mockery of the US Congress, and they have cost America billions in lost revenue by NOT doing their jobs. 
And all this to retaliate for Trump beating Hillary???  When the next election is less than a year away, why risk everything to stop Trump from being reelected?  To possibly lose House and Senate in order to redeem Hillary's reputation?  To cover for Biden?
Nope.  It can only be reasoned that they are trying to cover up SOMETHING BIG.  Thoughts?
That's it in a nutshell. They'll do their best to damage Trump before he exposes the entire Dim party and their corruption, in hopes that half the country will believe Dim lies.
It won't work, but it's all they have.
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tiny1

Quote from: Solar on November 08, 2019, 06:39:04 AM
That's it in a nutshell. They'll do their best to damage Trump before he exposes the entire Dim party and their corruption, in hopes that half the country will believe Dim lies.
It won't work, but it's all they have.
But, what offenses?  I hardly think they'd lose their collective mind over Campaign related infractions, or even pay for play schemes. 
Could it be that they really committed Treason?  Bribery seems feasible, but Treason?  Could it be that bad?
Even if it were a list of crimes, they'd not swing by their necks.  In fact, Congressional Dirt bags seldom pay anything for their crimes.  I really think They NEEDED Hillary to win, to Pardon everyone once the cat is de-bagged.  When it was clear they couldn't win, and couldn't influence or buy Trump, they hatched this scheme.  He's been three steps ahead of them, all along.  I really do not believe they expected him to out think all of them.  But he did. 
And, who is involved, besides Hillary?  Obama?  Kerry?  Nadley?  Schiff?  Brennan? 

Things that make you go, HMMMMM?

MichaelJ

Just when is the IG report going to be actually released anyway? We heard from Hannity in June it would be any day now, then we heard 1st week of August, then end of September, then early in October, then late October. Are we ever going to get one released? It would behoove them to get it out pretty soon to take some of the momentum away from the impeachment process. Seems they have had the report in their hands for a while now to retract things that involve national security and it is taking an inordinate time period to do this, makes me think someone is holding it up for as long as possible, which only benefits the Dems. Remember he who strikes first usually wins.

supsalemgr

Quote from: tiny1 on November 08, 2019, 06:32:03 AM
Yanno, it occurs to me, that this is the ultimate act of desperation.  They have to know, that their antics are turning off voters, on both sides of the aisle.  They have to know, that this impeachment Scam will never get past the Senate.  They have to know, that this is a coordinated effort from the main players pushing this insanity.  And I am sure that they are aware that they are about to be exposed for the traitorous dealings they have been party to.
They claim they are doing their OVERSIGHT.  LIE.  They claim they are defending their candidate from illegal campaign violations. LIE. They claim they are defending the Constitution. LIE. 
Critics say they are just upset that they lost.  Critics say they have to destroy Trump to gain Power.  Critics say they think this will defame him enough to cause Americans to choose to vote for someone else.  Since, by their frantic behavior, they have conceded that none of this is true, they are not behaving rationally.
Which gives birth to the question, "What could be so important that they would choose to lose the 2020 election, in order to stop Trump from his investigation?" 
The only thing I could come up with, is that they have more to lose than their Congressional Seats.  Remember Hillary's Words, "If that F***ing Bastard wins we'll all hang from Nooses!" They have more to hide, than a dislike for Trump.  They have to risk everything to try to avoid PROSECUTION.  Their Desperation is telling, in that they are ignoring their constituents, irrationally boxing themselves in, and all but conceding defeat next November.  They've endangered their colleagues in Trump favorable districts.  They've made a mockery of the US Congress, and they have cost America billions in lost revenue by NOT doing their jobs. 
And all this to retaliate for Trump beating Hillary???  When the next election is less than a year away, why risk everything to stop Trump from being reelected?  To possibly lose House and Senate in order to redeem Hillary's reputation?  To cover for Biden?
Nope.  It can only be reasoned that they are trying to cover up SOMETHING BIG.  Thoughts?

I will restate my belief that the concept of unintended consequences is foreign to democrats. They act on emotion without regard to what might happen on the next page.
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Solar

Quote from: tiny1 on November 08, 2019, 07:13:45 AM
But, what offenses?  I hardly think they'd lose their collective mind over Campaign related infractions, or even pay for play schemes. 
Could it be that they really committed Treason?  Bribery seems feasible, but Treason?  Could it be that bad?
Even if it were a list of crimes, they'd not swing by their necks.  In fact, Congressional Dirt bags seldom pay anything for their crimes.  I really think They NEEDED Hillary to win, to Pardon everyone once the cat is de-bagged.  When it was clear they couldn't win, and couldn't influence or buy Trump, they hatched this scheme.  He's been three steps ahead of them, all along.  I really do not believe they expected him to out think all of them.  But he did. 
And, who is involved, besides Hillary?  Obama?  Kerry?  Nadley?  Schiff?  Brennan? 

Things that make you go, HMMMMM?
You're right, it does make one go HMMMmmmmm... :biggrin:
I think the word you're looking for is Sedition. Where as Treason really mostly applies to times of war, "War" being defined as "Congress Declaring War", something it has not done in decades.
But if you look up sedition, Hillary and the entire cabal are guilty, and that's only just cracking the egg shell of even bigger crimes yet to be exposed.
I'd say it's safe to assume the dims know what they're facing and they're freaking out over it, which brings a different light on what they're doing in trying to destroy Trump's credibility in the eyes of the people with this Impeachment hoax.
I might add, they've failed miserably, and 2020 will prove this to be the case.
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Solar

Quote from: supsalemgr on November 08, 2019, 08:53:57 AM
I will restate my belief that the concept of unintended consequences is foreign to democrats. They act on emotion without regard to what might happen on the next page.
Exactly! They've gotten away with it for so long, they can't imagine not.
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tiny1

Quote from: Solar on November 08, 2019, 09:13:04 AM
You're right, it does make one go HMMMmmmmm... :biggrin:
I think the word you're looking for is Sedition. Where as Treason really mostly applies to times of war, "War" being defined as "Congress Declaring War", something it has not done in decades.
But if you look up sedition, Hillary and the entire cabal are guilty, and that's only just cracking the egg shell of even bigger crimes yet to be exposed.
I'd say it's safe to assume the dims know what they're facing and they're freaking out over it, which brings a different light on what they're doing in trying to destroy Trump's credibility in the eyes of the people with this Impeachment hoax.
I might add, they've failed miserably, and 2020 will prove this to be the case.
Yes, Sedition is what they've shown to have done, but I am talking about maybe with regards to Iran, or Syria, or even the Benghazi incident.  Giving aid and Comfort to our enemies.  And, in the abstract, if they knew Benghazi was exploding, and gave no support when begged for it, and claiming it to be a protest against a video as to give cover to the attackers, could that not also constitute Treason?  For Sedition, they would not be executed.  For Treason, they could effectively, swing from nooses.
IDK, but more is afoot than simple political gamesmanship.

Bronx

This impeachment is so off the chart crazy I was thinking.... why in the world are they so friggin' scared of Trump. Why are they clinging onto impeachment of this president knowing damn well he did nothing wrong whatsoever. After reading what the whistleblower Eric Ciaramella's told his lawyer, it all make sense to me now.

Mark Zaid lawyer of WB Eric Ciaramella (Whistleblower).

Virginia Barnett
Mark are we really going to be able to get him out? He is dismantling our government department by department. This is really scary.

Mark S. Zaid
It's really scary. we will get rid of him, and this country is strong enough to survive even him and his supporters. We have to.
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/column-1/looky-here-whistleleaker-attorney-mark-zaid-plotting-to-remove-trump-back-in-2017/

They knew from the beginning if Trump wins this election and he takes the oath of office he will follow through on the promises he made to the people of the United States of America..... Promise make, promises kept.

That's right Nancy Peglosi it's not about Ukraine at all. It's about what President Trump promised the American people....drain the swamp and as you can clearing see and read the fear in the swamp dwellers like Eric Ciaramella and his lawyer Mark Zaid Donald J. Trump is doing exactly that......"He is dismantling our government department by department". He is draining the damn swamp.....!
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tiny1

Quote from: Bronx on November 08, 2019, 10:27:03 AM
This impeachment is so off the chart crazy I was thinking.... why in the world are they so friggin' scared of Trump. Why are they clinging onto impeachment of this president knowing damn well he did nothing wrong whatsoever. After reading what the whistleblower Eric Ciaramella's told his lawyer, it all make sense to me now.

Mark Zaid lawyer of WB Eric Ciaramella (Whistleblower).

Virginia Barnett
Mark are we really going to be able to get him out? He is dismantling our government department by department. This is really scary.

Mark S. Zaid
It's really scary. we will get rid of him, and this country is strong enough to survive even him and his supporters. We have to.
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/column-1/looky-here-whistleleaker-attorney-mark-zaid-plotting-to-remove-trump-back-in-2017/

They knew from the beginning if Trump wins this election and he takes the oath of office he will follow through on the promises he made to the people of the United States of America..... Promise make, promises kept.

That's right Nancy Peglosi it's not about Ukraine at all. It's about what President Trump promised the American people....drain the swamp and as you can clearing see and read the fear in the swamp dwellers like Eric Ciaramella and his lawyer Mark Zaid Donald J. Trump is doing exactly that......"He is dismantling our government department by department". He is draining the damn swamp.....!
Along the same lines I have been pondering.
They had no idea he would make good on ALL his promises.  Remember, these people are Insiders.  They routinely lie to the people, and constantly break their collective word.  Who among them ever thought that he would be such a good president.  I am sure they had him pegged as a spoiled billionaire with an affinity for all things theatrical.  They had little reason to recognize his genius.  Kinda like if you were 20 years learning your job, and Forest Gump came along and rendered you, obsolete.
But you are spot on.  Why are they so scared.  No one seems to look beneath the surface.  Limbaugh, Levin, Hannity, and others seem to only deal with the surface issues, i.e. political interference, and never look for the ulterior motives.
Could it be that Obozo was complicit in these shenanigans?
Could it be that the Last Administration gave aid and comfort to our enemies?
Could it be that Hillary gave away Top Secret Information to our adversaries in Benghazi?
Sumpin's up. :confused:

Solar

Quote from: tiny1 on November 08, 2019, 09:35:35 AM
Yes, Sedition is what they've shown to have done, but I am talking about maybe with regards to Iran, or Syria, or even the Benghazi incident.  Giving aid and Comfort to our enemies.  And, in the abstract, if they knew Benghazi was exploding, and gave no support when begged for it, and claiming it to be a protest against a video as to give cover to the attackers, could that not also constitute Treason?  For Sedition, they would not be executed.  For Treason, they could effectively, swing from nooses.
IDK, but more is afoot than simple political gamesmanship.
Trump has mentioned treason, but listening to Levin, he explained treason would never apply because it only applies to war crimes.
Point being, Congress is charged with declaring an enemy at war, something they've ceded to POTUS. Though it would be an interesting debate if they were charged.
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cynical1

Quote from: Impeach the orange man on November 02, 2019, 08:07:20 PM
She didnt say the impeachment is not about Ukraine. She said it wont exclusively be about it.

Just face the fact Trump did try to get dirt on Biden. This alternative reality is crazy.

so a president is to ignore an American's corrupt involvment w/ a foreign country just bc said "american" is running for president??