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Title: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Solar on November 02, 2019, 05:58:55 PM
Let's be honest here, if they want to expand beyond Ukraine, then it was never about Ukraine, Russia or any other bogus claim they made.

Pelosi says impeachment inquiry not limited to Ukraine issue

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is now saying the partisan impeachment inquiry led by the Democrats in Congress could go beyond just the issue of Ukraine.

“What we’re talking about now is taking us into a whole other class of objection to what the president has done. And there may be other — there were 11 obstruction of justice provisions in the Mueller report. Perhaps some of them will be part of this,” Pelosi told Bloomberg Television on Friday. “But again, that will be part of the inquiry, to see where we go.”

Pelosi then tried putting a good spin on the inquiry, insisting the investigation has nothing to do with the president’s “personality” or “policies.”

“This is not about his personality, his policies. That’s for the election. This is about the Constitution. This is about defending our democracy,” she said.

Pelosi also said she believes public hearings will begin this month, but the case against Trump needs to be “ironclad.”

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/11/02/but-wait-theres-more-pelosi-says-impeachment-inquiry-not-limited-to-ukraine-issue-847536
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 02, 2019, 06:23:49 PM
Let's be honest here, if they want to expand beyond Ukraine, then it was never about Ukraine, Russia or any other bogus claim they made.

Pelosi says impeachment inquiry not limited to Ukraine issue

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is now saying the partisan impeachment inquiry led by the Democrats in Congress could go beyond just the issue of Ukraine.

“What we’re talking about now is taking us into a whole other class of objection to what the president has done. And there may be other — there were 11 obstruction of justice provisions in the Mueller report. Perhaps some of them will be part of this,” Pelosi told Bloomberg Television on Friday. “But again, that will be part of the inquiry, to see where we go.”

Pelosi then tried putting a good spin on the inquiry, insisting the investigation has nothing to do with the president’s “personality” or “policies.”

“This is not about his personality, his policies. That’s for the election. This is about the Constitution. This is about defending our democracy,” she said.

Pelosi also said she believes public hearings will begin this month, but the case against Trump needs to be “ironclad.”

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/11/02/but-wait-theres-more-pelosi-says-impeachment-inquiry-not-limited-to-ukraine-issue-847536

Of course it's not about Ukraine. I mean aside from the whole thing being triggered by a phone call to the Ukrainian president and all the witness testimony is about Ukraine. And they accused Trump of essentially trying to extort the Ukrainian president by withholding aide to Ukraine. But other than that...

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's obviously a walrus.

What Pelosi has done is say "we have nothing, I should have waited and read the transcript first. Now I have to continue on and hope to find something and risk losing my majority and the 2020 election. The bastard played us...again".
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Impeach the orange man on November 02, 2019, 08:07:20 PM
She didnt say the impeachment is not about Ukraine. She said it wont exclusively be about it.

Just face the fact Trump did try to get dirt on Biden. This alternative reality is crazy.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 02, 2019, 08:13:33 PM
She didnt say the impeachment is not about Ukraine. She said it wont exclusively be about it.

Just face the fact Trump did try to get dirt on Biden. This alternative reality is crazy.

If it is a fact then there is no need to go beyond Ukraine, right?
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Killer Clouds on November 02, 2019, 08:24:22 PM
She didnt say the impeachment is not about Ukraine. She said it wont exclusively be about it.

Just face the fact Trump did try to get dirt on Biden. This alternative reality is crazy.
You obviously have a problem understanding the english language. You should have an American 3rd grader explain it to you. Biden admitted to being a corrupt individual. " Fire the prosecutor in 6 hours or you won't get the 1 billion."
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Impeach the orange man on November 02, 2019, 08:26:37 PM
Yeah sure. I agree with you. The Ukraine studf is enough on its own.But i dont see the point you are making from this.

Your defense seems to be “surely if he was guilty of the Ukraine stuff they wouldn’t talk about ANYTHING else” seems weird.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Killer Clouds on November 02, 2019, 08:27:49 PM
Yeah sure. I agree with you. The Ukraine studf is enough on its own.But i dont see the point you are making from this.

Your defense seems to be “surely if he was guilty of the Ukraine stuff they wouldn’t talk about ANYTHING else” seems weird.

There is no Ukraine stuff.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 02, 2019, 08:42:17 PM
Yeah sure. I agree with you. The Ukraine studf is enough on its own.But i dont see the point you are making from this.

Your defense seems to be “surely if he was guilty of the Ukraine stuff they wouldn’t talk about ANYTHING else” seems weird.

If the president is a danger to the country you remove him as soon as possible. The democrats have been telling us for nearly four years Trump is a Russian asset and had committed treason. They also have repeatedly said they have enough evidence to impeach and remove him from office. Yet they have not done so.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Impeach the orange man on November 02, 2019, 08:44:23 PM
There is no Ukraine stuff.

Head in the sand. When Bolton comes out and publicly states the 400 million was held up based on Trump wanting an investigation opened on the Biden’s...will you concede Trump should be impeached ? At what point do you cross over and believe the evidence.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Impeach the orange man on November 02, 2019, 09:05:50 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IBXnmMf9IU4 Just listen to what he says. He says he wants Ukraine to reappoint a certain prosecutor to investigate the Bidens. This is straight after he talks about holding on the 400 million in aide. Jesus, its right there.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 02, 2019, 09:06:04 PM
Head in the sand. When Bolton comes out and publicly states the 400 million was held up based on Trump wanting an investigation opened on the Biden’s...will you concede Trump should be impeached ? At what point do you cross over and believe the evidence.

Why the need to go beyond Ukraine then?
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Impeach the orange man on November 02, 2019, 09:19:44 PM
Why the need to go beyond Ukraine then?

Dont then. Im talking about the Ukraine phone call. Can you defend the transcript ?
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 02, 2019, 09:27:27 PM
Dont then. Im talking about the Ukraine phone call. Can you defend the transcript ?
I don't have to defend anything. There is nothing on the transcript that is impeachable. if there was Pelosi wouldn't be expanding the Ukraine inquiry.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Impeach the orange man on November 02, 2019, 09:43:11 PM
You just did defend it.

It is impeachable to use your power of the presidency for personal political or economic gain. He did that.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 02, 2019, 09:47:46 PM
You just did defend it.

It is impeachable to use your power of the presidency for personal political or economic gain. He did that.

Okay. You just said AGAIN he committed an impeachable offense. Why isn't the House moving forward with impeachment now that they have the goods?
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Impeach the orange man on November 02, 2019, 10:00:27 PM
They are.

Part of the impeachment inquiry is for it to go public before it goes to a senate vote.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 02, 2019, 10:14:04 PM
They are.

Part of the impeachment inquiry is for it to go public before it goes to a senate vote.

You didn't address my question. If they have enough to impeach Trump why expand the inquiry?
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Impeach the orange man on November 02, 2019, 10:21:36 PM
Because it is how the process occurs.

Its like saying “if the police think that A certain criminal is guilty, why are they investigating and going to trail, why not just put him in jail.”

This is the public inquiry you guys wanted.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 02, 2019, 10:37:28 PM
Because it is how the process occurs.

Its like saying “if the police think that A certain criminal is guilty, why are they investigating and going to trail, why not just put him in jail.”

This is the public inquiry you guys wanted.

No. YOU and the democrats in congress have been telling the people for over three years they have enough to impeach. Yet they have not done so.

For the last time address this point or go away.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Impeach the orange man on November 02, 2019, 10:48:25 PM
Impeachment will pass through the house, even without Republican support. They cant do that until they have done a public inquiry. Which is about to start later in the month.

If they just voted to impeach now, without any public hearing, you would be calling it a witch hunt. So it is ironic that you are now using the fact that there is a public hearing as proof that they have nothing on the President.

It is some backward logic you are using to throw mud at the issue.

Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 02, 2019, 10:53:51 PM
Impeachment will pass through the house, even without Republican support. They cant do that until they have done a public inquiry. Which is about to start later in the month.

If they just voted to impeach now, without any public hearing, you would be calling it a witch hunt. So it is ironic that you are now using the fact that there is a public hearing as proof that they have nothing on the President.

It is some backward logic you are using to throw mud at the issue.

LOL

Nancy Pelosi previously said impeachment would only go forward if there was bipartisan support. Well there wasn't and she did. Aside from that right now the democrats, based on their own words are allowing a known traitor to remain in the white house. If Trump is a traitor your party is completely complicit.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Impeach the orange man on November 02, 2019, 11:04:54 PM
yeah, its the democrats are to blame for Trump....

Not the people who voted for him or try to excuse every dumb thing he does.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 02, 2019, 11:17:57 PM
yeah, its the democrats are to blame for Trump....

Not the people who voted for him or try to excuse every dumb thing he does.

Again you are wrong. Trump is the result of both parties failing the voters for decades. Trump won because both parties put themselves first.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Impeach the orange man on November 02, 2019, 11:22:26 PM
What are talking about ? Did you vote trump in 2016 ? If yes, you are the reason he is. Not failed policies from past democrates and republicans.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 02, 2019, 11:29:38 PM
What are talking about ? Did you vote trump in 2016 ? If yes, you are the reason he is. Not failed policies from past democrates and republicans.

No I did not vote for him because of the debt issue. Now will you ever get to addressing my posts or not?
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Solar on November 03, 2019, 03:11:07 AM
Head in the sand. When Bolton comes out and publicly states the 400 million was held up based on Trump wanting an investigation opened on the Biden’s...will you concede Trump should be impeached ? At what point do you cross over and believe the evidence.
Timeline, the Ukrainian President didn't know it yet. There is no Ukraine stuff. The Dims are trying to go on a fishing expedition without bait in the desert.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Bronx on November 03, 2019, 05:24:08 AM
What are talking about ? Did you vote trump in 2016 ? If yes, you are the reason he is. Not failed policies from past democrates and republicans.

You really aren't to smart aren't smart are you.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 03, 2019, 05:55:37 PM
Timeline, the Ukrainian President didn't know it yet. There is no Ukraine stuff. The Dims are trying to go on a fishing expedition without bait in the desert.

  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

(https://i.ibb.co/bv3SgT4/Penelope-in-Boat-on-Dry-Lake-30053-im5d-l.jpg)

Pelosi: "There's gotta be some evidence somewhere."
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Solar on November 03, 2019, 06:53:50 PM
  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

(https://i.ibb.co/bv3SgT4/Penelope-in-Boat-on-Dry-Lake-30053-im5d-l.jpg)

Pelosi: "There's gotta be some evidence somewhere."
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 03, 2019, 07:44:41 PM
You really aren't to smart aren't smart are you.

I'm awake, right? He's really this thick?
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: taxed on November 03, 2019, 08:07:21 PM
I'm awake, right? He's really this thick?

I'm concerned. Should we call someone for him or something?  What if he hurts himself?
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Killer Clouds on November 03, 2019, 08:24:30 PM
Because it is how the process occurs.

Its like saying “if the police think that A certain criminal is guilty, why are they investigating and going to trail, why not just put him in jail.”

This is the public inquiry you guys wanted.
You obviously have no idea how a criminal investigation works do you? First you have to have a crime to investigate. Then you build a list of suspects. You get evidence and see where the evidence points you. The standards for impeachment are treason, bribery and high crimes and misdemeanors.  You don't do an investigation to find a crime. You have to start with a crime.  What crime has Trump committed to justify an investigation?  Let us know troll.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 03, 2019, 08:37:32 PM
I'm concerned. Should we call someone for him or something?  What if he hurts himself?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKDX-qJaJ08
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Solar on November 04, 2019, 05:25:36 AM
yeah, its the democrats are to blame for Trump....

Not the people who voted for him or try to excuse every dumb thing he does.
You have no idea the level of corruption in both partys', that's why Trump was elected, he owes nothing to no one.
Trump is purging the country and world of Marxism.
It's too bad you only have one leftist news source, but stick around, you're front row center on history being made.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: T Hunt on November 06, 2019, 09:51:01 AM
Head in the sand. When Bolton comes out and publicly states the 400 million was held up based on Trump wanting an investigation opened on the Biden’s...will you concede Trump should be impeached ? At what point do you cross over and believe the evidence.

What evidence? So far we 9nly have hearsay, which isnt proof being as just ss many people who heard it say there is nothing wrong. Without the transcript there is no proof he did anything. Oh wait we have that and there's nothing there.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: T Hunt on November 06, 2019, 09:53:35 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IBXnmMf9IU4 Just listen to what he says. He says he wants Ukraine to reappoint a certain prosecutor to investigate the Bidens. This is straight after he talks about holding on the 400 million in aide. Jesus, its right there.

Hold on....how is getting another country to help investigate a known criminal wrong? Biden admitted to doing wrong, he does need to be investigated, everyone can agree with that.

Besides how does asking ukraine to investigate Biden help trump personally? Biden never had a chance of beating trump anyways, much less being the dem nominee.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: wally on November 06, 2019, 11:14:45 AM
All the House Democrat Leadership is from Far Left, Deep, Dark Blue districts where they are safe.  This whole charade is to attempt to influence the 31 House Democrats who need something they can use to justify their vote for Impeachment of our President when they stand for reelection in Trump districts next November.  The real question is whether or not they will walk the plank and get behind what Pelosi and her cabal want.  Without these 31 votes, Impeachment dies in the House and never goes to the Senate.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: MichaelJ on November 06, 2019, 11:27:03 AM
HMMM, he sure went quiet all of a sudden. Could it be he looked in the mirror and saw he actually did not have any clothes on?
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: carolina73 on November 06, 2019, 12:35:57 PM
Why not just go back after Trump for Russian Collusion? After all to quote Schiff stating there was  “ample evidence of collusion in plain sight.”?
Now they have to go beyond Ukraine?
If you do not want to participate in the Democrats circus, then you are obstructing the circus?

How could anyone in the media give Schiff any credibility?


Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Solar on November 06, 2019, 12:59:39 PM
Impeachment will pass through the house, even without Republican support. They cant do that until they have done a public inquiry. Which is about to start later in the month.

If they just voted to impeach now, without any public hearing, you would be calling it a witch hunt. So it is ironic that you are now using the fact that there is a public hearing as proof that they have nothing on the President.

It is some backward logic you are using to throw mud at the issue.
Do you even have a clue what Impeachment is? For the last three years the Dims claim they have enough evidence to Impeach, so go forward with a formal Impeachment. There is no such thing as an inquiry, either you have the evidence or you don't.
Fact is, they know they have absolutely nothing, that's why this expanded fishing expedition, which in fact is unconstitutional.
I hope each and everyone of them face charges of treason or something comparable.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Killer Clouds on November 06, 2019, 02:41:16 PM
Impeachment will pass through the house, even without Republican support. They cant do that until they have done a public inquiry. Which is about to start later in the month.

If they just voted to impeach now, without any public hearing, you would be calling it a witch hunt. So it is ironic that you are now using the fact that there is a public hearing as proof that they have nothing on the President.

It is some backward logic you are using to throw mud at the issue.
Hey troll what treason, bribery or high crimes and misdemeanors will they impeach him for? They have nothing and the demonrats know it? They started an investigation  without cause.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: tiny1 on November 07, 2019, 10:31:58 AM
You just did defend it.

It is impeachable to use your power of the presidency for personal political or economic gain. He did that.
So, you support Democrats.  Good to know.
So, which is it?  One or the other.  There is no other choice.
Are you dishonest, or just stupid?  Anyone who supports the Dems, has to know how corrupt and dishonest they are.  SO, if you know they are corrupt, and still support them, you must also be corrupt. 
If you don't know how corrupt they are, you are surely too stupid to be running around unrestricted.
It is obvious. 

You know that there can be no Quid pro quo if the other party isn't aware the funds are being held, right?  SO, that means there is no basis for impeachment on those grounds.

You know there was no bribery.  You cannot bribe someone without stating a penalty.  Ukraine was not aware that the funds were being withheld. That means there can be no basis for impeachment on those grounds.

And, finally, you know that these people cooked up this scheme before Trump was even Elected, aka The Liberal Insurance Policy.  THAT alone should invalidate the Inquiry Scam.  Plus, the Whistleleaker's own lawyer just exposed their collective rear ends, by revealing their plot, in 2017.

Answer the Effing Question.  Stupid or Corrupt?  Which are you?
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: taxed on November 07, 2019, 11:39:15 AM
I miss Peaches... I wish he wouldn't run away...
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Possum on November 07, 2019, 12:21:16 PM
I miss Peaches... I wish he wouldn't run away...
He has to come up with new charges, this quid pro quo just ain't working out.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: taxed on November 07, 2019, 01:50:57 PM
He has to come up with new charges, this quid pro quo just ain't working out.

I wish they'd think of something new. This Ukraine hoax is getting boring....
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: wally on November 07, 2019, 02:25:29 PM
I wish they'd think of something new. This Ukraine hoax is getting boring....
They attempted to turn the tables on Trump with their latest hoax.  However, the chickens are coming home to roost and their efforts are about to boomerang right into the Obama Whitehouse.

(https://i.imgur.com/57mY9XU.png)
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Killer Clouds on November 07, 2019, 02:37:39 PM
The rumblings are now starting that the ukraine call is proof of extortion and bribery.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: wally on November 07, 2019, 03:51:00 PM
The rumblings are now starting that the ukraine call is proof of extortion and bribery.
Extortion and Bribery are crimes.  The DOJ has determine there were no crimes committed.  The "rumblings' are coming from members of The Resistance who are engaged in an illegal coup attempting to overturn the results of the 2016 election.


The criminal investigations are not in the purview of Congress, with is the Legislative branch.  There 'investigations' are purely for oversight and political reasons.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: tiny1 on November 08, 2019, 06:32:03 AM
Yanno, it occurs to me, that this is the ultimate act of desperation.  They have to know, that their antics are turning off voters, on both sides of the aisle.  They have to know, that this impeachment Scam will never get past the Senate.  They have to know, that this is a coordinated effort from the main players pushing this insanity.  And I am sure that they are aware that they are about to be exposed for the traitorous dealings they have been party to.
They claim they are doing their OVERSIGHT.  LIE.  They claim they are defending their candidate from illegal campaign violations. LIE. They claim they are defending the Constitution. LIE. 
Critics say they are just upset that they lost.  Critics say they have to destroy Trump to gain Power.  Critics say they think this will defame him enough to cause Americans to choose to vote for someone else.  Since, by their frantic behavior, they have conceded that none of this is true, they are not behaving rationally.
Which gives birth to the question, "What could be so important that they would choose to lose the 2020 election, in order to stop Trump from his investigation?" 
The only thing I could come up with, is that they have more to lose than their Congressional Seats.  Remember Hillary's Words, "If that F***ing Bastard wins we'll all hang from Nooses!" They have more to hide, than a dislike for Trump.  They have to risk everything to try to avoid PROSECUTION.  Their Desperation is telling, in that they are ignoring their constituents, irrationally boxing themselves in, and all but conceding defeat next November.  They've endangered their colleagues in Trump favorable districts.  They've made a mockery of the US Congress, and they have cost America billions in lost revenue by NOT doing their jobs. 
And all this to retaliate for Trump beating Hillary???  When the next election is less than a year away, why risk everything to stop Trump from being reelected?  To possibly lose House and Senate in order to redeem Hillary's reputation?  To cover for Biden?
Nope.  It can only be reasoned that they are trying to cover up SOMETHING BIG.  Thoughts? 
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Solar on November 08, 2019, 06:39:04 AM
Yanno, it occurs to me, that this is the ultimate act of desperation.  They have to know, that their antics are turning off voters, on both sides of the aisle.  They have to know, that this impeachment Scam will never get past the Senate.  They have to know, that this is a coordinated effort from the main players pushing this insanity.  And I am sure that they are aware that they are about to be exposed for the traitorous dealings they have been party to.
They claim they are doing their OVERSIGHT.  LIE.  They claim they are defending their candidate from illegal campaign violations. LIE. They claim they are defending the Constitution. LIE. 
Critics say they are just upset that they lost.  Critics say they have to destroy Trump to gain Power.  Critics say they think this will defame him enough to cause Americans to choose to vote for someone else.  Since, by their frantic behavior, they have conceded that none of this is true, they are not behaving rationally.
Which gives birth to the question, "What could be so important that they would choose to lose the 2020 election, in order to stop Trump from his investigation?" 
The only thing I could come up with, is that they have more to lose than their Congressional Seats.  Remember Hillary's Words, "If that F***ing Bastard wins we'll all hang from Nooses!" They have more to hide, than a dislike for Trump.  They have to risk everything to try to avoid PROSECUTION.  Their Desperation is telling, in that they are ignoring their constituents, irrationally boxing themselves in, and all but conceding defeat next November.  They've endangered their colleagues in Trump favorable districts.  They've made a mockery of the US Congress, and they have cost America billions in lost revenue by NOT doing their jobs. 
And all this to retaliate for Trump beating Hillary???  When the next election is less than a year away, why risk everything to stop Trump from being reelected?  To possibly lose House and Senate in order to redeem Hillary's reputation?  To cover for Biden?
Nope.  It can only be reasoned that they are trying to cover up SOMETHING BIG.  Thoughts?
That's it in a nutshell. They'll do their best to damage Trump before he exposes the entire Dim party and their corruption, in hopes that half the country will believe Dim lies.
It won't work, but it's all they have.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: tiny1 on November 08, 2019, 07:13:45 AM
That's it in a nutshell. They'll do their best to damage Trump before he exposes the entire Dim party and their corruption, in hopes that half the country will believe Dim lies.
It won't work, but it's all they have.
But, what offenses?  I hardly think they'd lose their collective mind over Campaign related infractions, or even pay for play schemes. 
Could it be that they really committed Treason?  Bribery seems feasible, but Treason?  Could it be that bad?
Even if it were a list of crimes, they'd not swing by their necks.  In fact, Congressional Dirt bags seldom pay anything for their crimes.  I really think They NEEDED Hillary to win, to Pardon everyone once the cat is de-bagged.  When it was clear they couldn't win, and couldn't influence or buy Trump, they hatched this scheme.  He's been three steps ahead of them, all along.  I really do not believe they expected him to out think all of them.  But he did. 
And, who is involved, besides Hillary?  Obama?  Kerry?  Nadley?  Schiff?  Brennan? 

Things that make you go, HMMMMM?
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: MichaelJ on November 08, 2019, 08:13:09 AM
Just when is the IG report going to be actually released anyway? We heard from Hannity in June it would be any day now, then we heard 1st week of August, then end of September, then early in October, then late October. Are we ever going to get one released? It would behoove them to get it out pretty soon to take some of the momentum away from the impeachment process. Seems they have had the report in their hands for a while now to retract things that involve national security and it is taking an inordinate time period to do this, makes me think someone is holding it up for as long as possible, which only benefits the Dems. Remember he who strikes first usually wins.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: supsalemgr on November 08, 2019, 08:53:57 AM
Yanno, it occurs to me, that this is the ultimate act of desperation.  They have to know, that their antics are turning off voters, on both sides of the aisle.  They have to know, that this impeachment Scam will never get past the Senate.  They have to know, that this is a coordinated effort from the main players pushing this insanity.  And I am sure that they are aware that they are about to be exposed for the traitorous dealings they have been party to.
They claim they are doing their OVERSIGHT.  LIE.  They claim they are defending their candidate from illegal campaign violations. LIE. They claim they are defending the Constitution. LIE. 
Critics say they are just upset that they lost.  Critics say they have to destroy Trump to gain Power.  Critics say they think this will defame him enough to cause Americans to choose to vote for someone else.  Since, by their frantic behavior, they have conceded that none of this is true, they are not behaving rationally.
Which gives birth to the question, "What could be so important that they would choose to lose the 2020 election, in order to stop Trump from his investigation?" 
The only thing I could come up with, is that they have more to lose than their Congressional Seats.  Remember Hillary's Words, "If that F***ing Bastard wins we'll all hang from Nooses!" They have more to hide, than a dislike for Trump.  They have to risk everything to try to avoid PROSECUTION.  Their Desperation is telling, in that they are ignoring their constituents, irrationally boxing themselves in, and all but conceding defeat next November.  They've endangered their colleagues in Trump favorable districts.  They've made a mockery of the US Congress, and they have cost America billions in lost revenue by NOT doing their jobs. 
And all this to retaliate for Trump beating Hillary???  When the next election is less than a year away, why risk everything to stop Trump from being reelected?  To possibly lose House and Senate in order to redeem Hillary's reputation?  To cover for Biden?
Nope.  It can only be reasoned that they are trying to cover up SOMETHING BIG.  Thoughts?

I will restate my belief that the concept of unintended consequences is foreign to democrats. They act on emotion without regard to what might happen on the next page.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Solar on November 08, 2019, 09:13:04 AM
But, what offenses?  I hardly think they'd lose their collective mind over Campaign related infractions, or even pay for play schemes. 
Could it be that they really committed Treason?  Bribery seems feasible, but Treason?  Could it be that bad?
Even if it were a list of crimes, they'd not swing by their necks.  In fact, Congressional Dirt bags seldom pay anything for their crimes.  I really think They NEEDED Hillary to win, to Pardon everyone once the cat is de-bagged.  When it was clear they couldn't win, and couldn't influence or buy Trump, they hatched this scheme.  He's been three steps ahead of them, all along.  I really do not believe they expected him to out think all of them.  But he did. 
And, who is involved, besides Hillary?  Obama?  Kerry?  Nadley?  Schiff?  Brennan? 

Things that make you go, HMMMMM?
You're right, it does make one go HMMMmmmmm... :biggrin:
I think the word you're looking for is Sedition. Where as Treason really mostly applies to times of war, "War" being defined as "Congress Declaring War", something it has not done in decades.
But if you look up sedition, Hillary and the entire cabal are guilty, and that's only just cracking the egg shell of even bigger crimes yet to be exposed.
I'd say it's safe to assume the dims know what they're facing and they're freaking out over it, which brings a different light on what they're doing in trying to destroy Trump's credibility in the eyes of the people with this Impeachment hoax.
I might add, they've failed miserably, and 2020 will prove this to be the case.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Solar on November 08, 2019, 09:14:19 AM
I will restate my belief that the concept of unintended consequences is foreign to democrats. They act on emotion without regard to what might happen on the next page.
Exactly! They've gotten away with it for so long, they can't imagine not.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: tiny1 on November 08, 2019, 09:35:35 AM
You're right, it does make one go HMMMmmmmm... :biggrin:
I think the word you're looking for is Sedition. Where as Treason really mostly applies to times of war, "War" being defined as "Congress Declaring War", something it has not done in decades.
But if you look up sedition, Hillary and the entire cabal are guilty, and that's only just cracking the egg shell of even bigger crimes yet to be exposed.
I'd say it's safe to assume the dims know what they're facing and they're freaking out over it, which brings a different light on what they're doing in trying to destroy Trump's credibility in the eyes of the people with this Impeachment hoax.
I might add, they've failed miserably, and 2020 will prove this to be the case.
Yes, Sedition is what they've shown to have done, but I am talking about maybe with regards to Iran, or Syria, or even the Benghazi incident.  Giving aid and Comfort to our enemies.  And, in the abstract, if they knew Benghazi was exploding, and gave no support when begged for it, and claiming it to be a protest against a video as to give cover to the attackers, could that not also constitute Treason?  For Sedition, they would not be executed.  For Treason, they could effectively, swing from nooses.
IDK, but more is afoot than simple political gamesmanship.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Bronx on November 08, 2019, 10:27:03 AM
This impeachment is so off the chart crazy I was thinking.... why in the world are they so friggin' scared of Trump. Why are they clinging onto impeachment of this president knowing damn well he did nothing wrong whatsoever. After reading what the whistleblower Eric Ciaramella's told his lawyer, it all make sense to me now.

Mark Zaid lawyer of WB Eric Ciaramella (Whistleblower).

Virginia Barnett
Mark are we really going to be able to get him out? He is dismantling our government department by department. This is really scary.

Mark S. Zaid
It's really scary. we will get rid of him, and this country is strong enough to survive even him and his supporters. We have to.
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/column-1/looky-here-whistleleaker-attorney-mark-zaid-plotting-to-remove-trump-back-in-2017/

They knew from the beginning if Trump wins this election and he takes the oath of office he will follow through on the promises he made to the people of the United States of America..... Promise make, promises kept.

That's right Nancy Peglosi it's not about Ukraine at all. It's about what President Trump promised the American people....drain the swamp and as you can clearing see and read the fear in the swamp dwellers like Eric Ciaramella and his lawyer Mark Zaid Donald J. Trump is doing exactly that......"He is dismantling our government department by department". He is draining the damn swamp.....!
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: tiny1 on November 08, 2019, 10:55:38 AM
This impeachment is so off the chart crazy I was thinking.... why in the world are they so friggin' scared of Trump. Why are they clinging onto impeachment of this president knowing damn well he did nothing wrong whatsoever. After reading what the whistleblower Eric Ciaramella's told his lawyer, it all make sense to me now.

Mark Zaid lawyer of WB Eric Ciaramella (Whistleblower).

Virginia Barnett
Mark are we really going to be able to get him out? He is dismantling our government department by department. This is really scary.

Mark S. Zaid
It's really scary. we will get rid of him, and this country is strong enough to survive even him and his supporters. We have to.
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/column-1/looky-here-whistleleaker-attorney-mark-zaid-plotting-to-remove-trump-back-in-2017/

They knew from the beginning if Trump wins this election and he takes the oath of office he will follow through on the promises he made to the people of the United States of America..... Promise make, promises kept.

That's right Nancy Peglosi it's not about Ukraine at all. It's about what President Trump promised the American people....drain the swamp and as you can clearing see and read the fear in the swamp dwellers like Eric Ciaramella and his lawyer Mark Zaid Donald J. Trump is doing exactly that......"He is dismantling our government department by department". He is draining the damn swamp.....!
Along the same lines I have been pondering.
They had no idea he would make good on ALL his promises.  Remember, these people are Insiders.  They routinely lie to the people, and constantly break their collective word.  Who among them ever thought that he would be such a good president.  I am sure they had him pegged as a spoiled billionaire with an affinity for all things theatrical.  They had little reason to recognize his genius.  Kinda like if you were 20 years learning your job, and Forest Gump came along and rendered you, obsolete.
But you are spot on.  Why are they so scared.  No one seems to look beneath the surface.  Limbaugh, Levin, Hannity, and others seem to only deal with the surface issues, i.e. political interference, and never look for the ulterior motives.
Could it be that Obozo was complicit in these shenanigans?
Could it be that the Last Administration gave aid and comfort to our enemies?
Could it be that Hillary gave away Top Secret Information to our adversaries in Benghazi?
Sumpin's up. :confused:
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: Solar on November 08, 2019, 12:44:05 PM
Yes, Sedition is what they've shown to have done, but I am talking about maybe with regards to Iran, or Syria, or even the Benghazi incident.  Giving aid and Comfort to our enemies.  And, in the abstract, if they knew Benghazi was exploding, and gave no support when begged for it, and claiming it to be a protest against a video as to give cover to the attackers, could that not also constitute Treason?  For Sedition, they would not be executed.  For Treason, they could effectively, swing from nooses.
IDK, but more is afoot than simple political gamesmanship.
Trump has mentioned treason, but listening to Levin, he explained treason would never apply because it only applies to war crimes.
Point being, Congress is charged with declaring an enemy at war, something they've ceded to POTUS. Though it would be an interesting debate if they were charged.
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: cynical1 on November 09, 2019, 12:51:41 PM
She didnt say the impeachment is not about Ukraine. She said it wont exclusively be about it.

Just face the fact Trump did try to get dirt on Biden. This alternative reality is crazy.

so a president is to ignore an American's corrupt involvment w/ a foreign country just bc said "american" is running for president??
Title: Re: Fuglosi Says Impeachment Not About Ukraine
Post by: T Hunt on November 10, 2019, 04:28:24 AM
But, what offenses?  I hardly think they'd lose their collective mind over Campaign related infractions, or even pay for play schemes. 
Could it be that they really committed Treason?  Bribery seems feasible, but Treason?  Could it be that bad?
Even if it were a list of crimes, they'd not swing by their necks.  In fact, Congressional Dirt bags seldom pay anything for their crimes
.  I really think They NEEDED Hillary to win, to Pardon everyone once the cat is de-bagged.  When it was clear they couldn't win, and couldn't influence or buy Trump, they hatched this scheme.  He's been three steps ahead of them, all along.  I really do not believe they expected him to out think all of them.  But he did. 
And, who is involved, besides Hillary?  Obama?  Kerry?  Nadley?  Schiff?  Brennan? 

Things that make you go, HMMMMM?

You really need to check out Q. And dont worry, he has offered more than enough proof he is who he says he is and that Q+ is President Trump himself. There is more than enough evidence supporting Q if you look into it. I reccomend a youtuber by the name Praying Medic. He has the best breakdown imho.

https://youtu.be/5I2G-H6MZQw

But my point is these evil deep staters are going down for everything under the sun. From usurping the will of the people, to satanic child sex rings, to 'spirit cooking', to voter fruad, to murder, sedition, human trafficking, money laundering, selling dead baby parts, selling out america to foriegners, and in general just being corrupt deuchbags. The list could go on. But Q has had them by the balls since long before he came out in 2017. I think some secret mobilization of patriots started way back under obama sometime, when it became clear he was just the first act in the leftists attempt to 'fundamentally transform america' as part of the '16 year plan'(him then hildog).