Any police union would be fools to endorse a democrat.
https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/1289626276429348864
Quote from: ldub23 on August 01, 2020, 07:11:33 PM
Any police union would be fools to endorse a democrat.
https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/1289626276429348864
The police budget makes me sick. Police officers basically have the same education as the person at the back of a garbage truck, have a safer job, yet somehow make at least twice the money.
Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on August 02, 2020, 04:18:12 AM
The police budget makes me sick. Police officers basically have the same education as the person at the back of a garbage truck, have a safer job, yet somehow make at least twice the money.
Throwing crap against the wall and not proving it does not make you much of a man. You are not bringing anything to this forum, nothing.
Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on August 02, 2020, 04:18:12 AM
The police budget makes me sick. Police officers basically have the same education as the person at the back of a garbage truck, have a safer job, yet somehow make at least twice the money.
Well maybe if you and your associates weren't such idiots, police wouldn't be necessary?
Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on August 02, 2020, 04:18:12 AM
The police budget makes me sick. Police officers basically have the same education as the person at the back of a garbage truck, have a safer job, yet somehow make at least twice the money.
Unless you work on a garbage truck how would you know? You are inferring, I suppose, that Cops and people working on a garbage truck only have a HS education. Wrong again. Most police depts have required college degree's, prior experience and higher education since my day. Then of course there is the extensive training Police recruits go through which is a one year process. Many colleges count that as credit hours toward a degree. Also a great deal of the police budget goes into training recruits to a NATIONAL RECOGNIZED STANDARD, plus annual in service training and firearm requalification, ergo by being anti police budget you are anti education which you leftists place so much stock in.
Everytime you post you show your ignorance, no matter what level of education you claim.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 02, 2020, 04:47:29 AM
Unless you work on a garbage truck how would you know? You are inferring, I suppose, that Cops and people working on a garbage truck only have a HS education. Wrong again. Most police depts have required college degree's, prior experience and higher education since my day. Then of course there is the extensive training Police recruits go through which is a one year process. Many colleges count that as credit hours toward a degree. Also a great deal of the police budget goes into training recruits to a NATIONAL RECOGNIZED STANDARD, plus annual in service training and firearm requalification, ergo by being anti police budget you are anti education which you leftists place so much stock in.
Everytime you post you show your ignorance, no matter what level of education you claim.
He's repeating 12th grade, he has soooo much to learn.
Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on August 02, 2020, 04:18:12 AM
The police budget makes me sick. Police officers basically have the same education as the person at the back of a garbage truck, have a safer job, yet somehow make at least twice the money.
Have you taken 911 off speed dial?
Quote from: supsalemgr on August 02, 2020, 05:57:18 AM
Have you taken 911 off speed dial?
His parents won't let him have a cell ph till he graduates high school. He could be waiting decades.
Quote from: Solar on August 02, 2020, 04:56:22 AM
He's repeating 12th grade, he has soooo much to learn.
Third times the charm.
Quote from: Possum on August 02, 2020, 07:23:53 AM
Third times the charm.
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I read, the read it again several times about police budgets, with no details, something really stupid about comparing a police officer and the guy lifting garbage cans and then something about twice the money. None of it made any sense, maybe that WAS the point.
I also notice this piece of wisdom was just lobbed in out of nowhere.
Not sure where this guy has been, but I haven't seen an actual "garbage man" in decades. Automation has replaced 99% of the manual labor that was needed many years ago, now it's just the guy driving the truck and hydraulics do the lifting. The average pay for the driver is a little over $48k a year without overtime or including benefits; health insurance and retirement. Added benefit to driving a garbage truck is you most likely will never be shot at, people won't spit on you and you'll never be called a racist.
Police officers should make triple that salary all things considered. It is an insult to law enforcement to think the job requires no more intelligence than driving a truck.
However, on a positive note, thanks to the total lack of respect and support coming from the democrap party President Trump will get 90% of police voters. I would just like to thank all of you assholes trashing law enforcement for aiding in the re-election of Trump.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 02, 2020, 04:47:29 AM
You are inferring, I suppose, that Cops and people working on a garbage truck only have a HS education..
Actually what I thought I made abundantly clear is that a "HS education" with really terrible grades is all that is necessary. In regards to a a minimum of an associates degree to be a cop being the norm, I can show you 20 examples where your assertation for every example that you can provide that proves me wrong.
Police academy is total bullshit.
Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on August 02, 2020, 08:46:27 AM
Actually what I thought I made abundantly clear is that a "HS education" with really terrible grades is all that is necessary. In regards to a a minimum of an associates degree to be a cop being the norm, I can show you 20 examples where your assertation for every example that you can provide that proves me wrong.
Police academy is total bullshit.
The only thing that is total bullshit is you. Fuck off homo troll.
Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on August 02, 2020, 04:18:12 AM
The police budget makes me sick. Police officers basically have the same education as the person at the back of a garbage truck, have a safer job, yet somehow make at least twice the money.
In some areas of the country, I agree that the police are way over compensated. Notice the key words "in some areas".
But there is a deliberate reason police are paid more than the average wage for the level of skill needed, and that is to act as deterrent to bribery. Same with the pension and healthcare system. By design, they were generally intended to exceed what was available in other areas of Government of the private sector in order to give an added incentive for officers to be honest in the discharge of their duties.
At one time the wage discrepancy was widely talked about, but as it spread to others areas of municipal government the touting of abnormal compensation was diminished so not to draw attention to it, and, it was no longer abnormal when compared to other areas of municipal employment.
For the historic reason given above, I think police should have relatively high compensation; they should earn more as police officers than their relative skills would command in the private sector as an incentive to remain honest ministers of law enforcement. You want your police to think, I could never earn this much doing anything else, rather than feeling under compensated and under appreciated which serves as a gateway to justify nefarious activities.
However I am opposed to the recent trend of college education for policing as it is simply a backdoor justification for the compensation package. It is simply being done in order to give a veneer of professionalism to policing as well as to try and dissuade the type of argument Hokey_Pokey advances. If an officer wants to pursue a college education in law enforcement as prep for higher level supervisory roles, than that should be part of their individual career planning but not mandated for the typical officer.
There is a great downside to education, in that it often leads to discontentment with what one does to earn a living relative to the possibilities you have been exposed to. That is part of the reason courts decided that police department could discriminate against people with higher IQs.
Re(this is just one cite, as this is well established):
https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on August 02, 2020, 08:46:27 AM
Actually what I thought I made abundantly clear is that a "HS education" with really terrible grades is all that is necessary. In regards to a a minimum of an associates degree to be a cop being the norm, I can show you 20 examples where your assertation for every example that you can provide that proves me wrong.
Police academy is total bullshit.
By all means show us the 20 examples. Methinks you have allowed your mouth to overload your brain.
Quote from: Pop Daddy on August 02, 2020, 08:37:20 AM
I read, the read it again several times about police budgets, with no details, something really stupid about comparing a police officer and the guy lifting garbage cans and then something about twice the money. None of it made any sense, maybe that WAS the point.
I also notice this piece of wisdom was just lobbed in out of nowhere.
Not sure where this guy has been, but I haven't seen an actual "garbage man" in decades. Automation has replaced 99% of the manual labor that was needed many years ago, now it's just the guy driving the truck and hydraulics do the lifting. The average pay for the driver is a little over $48k a year without overtime or including benefits; health insurance and retirement. Added benefit to driving a garbage truck is you most likely will never be shot at, people won't spit on you and you'll never be called a racist.
Police officers should make triple that salary all things considered. It is an insult to law enforcement to think the job requires no more intelligence than driving a truck.
However, on a positive note, thanks to the total lack of respect and support coming from the democrap party President Trump will get 90% of police voters. I would just like to thank all of you assholes trashing law enforcement for aiding in the re-election of Trump.
Not to mention their sphere of influence with family and friends.
Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on August 02, 2020, 08:46:27 AM
Actually what I thought I made abundantly clear is that a "HS education" with really terrible grades is all that is necessary. In regards to a a minimum of an associates degree to be a cop being the norm, I can show you 20 examples where your assertation for every example that you can provide that proves me wrong.
Police academy is total bullshit.
You know what you piss me off. You really want to hold up your Antifa loving college crowd as an example of intelligence. Get your head out of and anarchists playbook and get off this forum.
Quote from: ZUCKERBERG on August 02, 2020, 09:22:40 AM
By all means show us the 20 examples. Methinks you have allowed your mouth to overload your brain.
His ass could have overloaded that brain.
Quote from: ZUCKERBERG on August 02, 2020, 12:53:00 PM
You know what you piss me off. You really want to hold up your Antifa loving college crowd as an example of intelligence. Get your head out of and anarchists playbook and get off this forum.
He's gone. He doesn't even debate, he just throws shit to see what sticks. Usually he just gets it all over himself and stinks up the place.
Quote from: Solar on August 02, 2020, 01:08:26 PM
He's gone. He doesn't even debate, he just throws shit to see what sticks. Usually he just gets it all over himself and stinks up the place.
:thumbup:
I really hate seeing how LEOs are being treated. At what point do LEOs just say NO MORE? Personally I really don't want to find out. I don't have problems with LEOs. If I get pulled over by Highway Patrol I know why. Other than speeding in my car sometimes I don't do anything to break the law. If I get a ticket I deserve it and the HP is just doing his job. The officer has a job to do.
I watch law enforcement treated like shit in these blue cities and wish that they would all just quit and leave the madness to the asshole polecats that have created and furthered this crap. And don't ya just love that they, libtards, say the number of blacks being stopped is not equal to non-black being stopped. Real simple answer, they do more of the crimes. Go into a black neighborhood and ask the adults how they feel about losing law enforcement in their neighborhood.
In Beserklee they are now going to use social workers for traffic stops, because whitey was stopping too many blacks. What bullshit, but have at it. When you hippies decide to leave your shithole cities, leave your childish asinine politics there, don't bring it with you, you're not welcome here with that crap.
Maybe complete civil breakdown is what might be needed for these idiots to see how valuable law enforcement is.
Quote from: Pop Daddy on August 02, 2020, 05:50:33 PM
I watch law enforcement treated like shit in these blue cities and wish that they would all just quit and leave the madness to the asshole polecats that have created and furthered this crap. And don't ya just love that they, libtards, say the number of blacks being stopped is not equal to non-black being stopped. Real simple answer, they do more of the crimes. Go into a black neighborhood and ask the adults how they feel about losing law enforcement in their neighborhood.
In Beserklee they are now going to use social workers for traffic stops, because whitey was stopping too many blacks. What bullshit, but have at it. When you hippies decide to leave your shithole cities, leave your childish asinine politics there, don't bring it with you, you're not welcome here with that crap.
Maybe complete civil breakdown is what might be needed for these idiots to see how valuable law enforcement is.
WHO will they call when social workers get shoot for stopping a speeder or drunk?
Quote from: walkstall on August 02, 2020, 05:56:14 PM
WHO will they call when social workers get shoot for stopping a speeder or drunk?
Those were my thoughts exactly but I don't think social workers have to worry about being shot. Nobody is going to stop. Why should they? Who's going to arrest them if they don't? Just wait until they defund the LEOs in Oakland, Alameda, Hayward and San Francisco.
Quote from: Pop Daddy on August 02, 2020, 05:50:33 PM
I watch law enforcement treated like shit in these blue cities and wish that they would all just quit and leave the madness to the asshole polecats that have created and furthered this crap. And don't ya just love that they, libtards, say the number of blacks being stopped is not equal to non-black being stopped. Real simple answer, they do more of the crimes. Go into a black neighborhood and ask the adults how they feel about losing law enforcement in their neighborhood.
In Beserklee they are now going to use social workers for traffic stops, because whitey was stopping too many blacks. What bullshit, but have at it. When you hippies decide to leave your shithole cities, leave your childish asinine politics there, don't bring it with you, you're not welcome here with that crap.
Maybe complete civil breakdown is what might be needed for these idiots to see how valuable law enforcement is.
Communists destroy their own areas, they get tired of the crime and violence there, and move to some nice Republican area and immediately start destroying that area also. As far as crime goes Thomas Sowell hit the nail on the head with this quote.
"You cannot take any people, of any color, and exempt them from the requirements of civilization — including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain — without ruinous consequences to them and to society at large."
Quote from: Hokey_Pokey on August 02, 2020, 08:46:27 AM
Actually what I thought I made abundantly clear is that a "HS education" with really terrible grades is all that is necessary. In regards to a a minimum of an associates degree to be a cop being the norm, I can show you 20 examples where your assertation for every example that you can provide that proves me wrong.
Police academy is total bullshit.
Again how would you know a Police academy is total bullshit? My money would be on you not making it through the first week, never mind the physical requirements which are now toned down so that 110lb females can make it, very likely your ignorance of constitutional law which you display here would hold you up short in the Academic portion.
As far as your 20 examples I tend to agree with you, leftists in charge of various inner city jusrisdictions are so desperate to get unqualified dolts that they have lowered their standards even taking those with criminal records and lacking basic mental fitness. My former boss Mayor Marion Barry was a pioneer in this field, doing away with civil service tests, overlooking criminal (even felony) records hiring criminals, cronies and useful idiots.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 03, 2020, 05:34:53 AM
Again how would you know a Police academy is total bullshit? My money would be on you not making it through the first week, never mind the physical requirements which are now toned down so that 110lb females can make it, very likely your ignorance of constitutional law which you display here would hold you up short in the Academic portion.
As far as your 20 examples I tend to agree with you, leftists in charge of various inner city jusrisdictions are so desperate to get unqualified dolts that they have lowered their standards even taking those with criminal records and lacking basic mental fitness. My former boss Mayor Marion Barry was a pioneer in this field, doing away with civil service tests, overlooking criminal (even felony) records hiring criminals, cronies and useful idiots.
How can someone that is a felon be a LEO? I'm not arguing just asking. A felon can't be around firearms.
Today, in at least 11 states, including Kansas, Ohio, Minnesota and Rhode Island, restoration of firearms rights is automatic, without any review at all, for many nonviolent felons, usually once they finish their sentences, or after a certain amount of time crime-free.Nov 13, 2011
Quote from: Killer Clouds on August 03, 2020, 07:41:46 AM
How can someone that is a felon be a LEO? I'm not arguing just asking. A felon can't be around firearms.
Real easy in Marion Barry's DC and I suspect elsewhere that leftists are in charge of Civil service requirements where being a minority is the only thing that counts. Look at the way these whack jobs just make up their own laws and rules like Whitmer and DeBlasio. First is a
ARREST is not a conviction, felony charges get bartered down real quick. Then you have the magic of the Juveile court system which seals forever anything done before age 18 IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. You have the expungement route with serveral justice dept programs in place for Minority "yuths" up to age 21. Last you have the shills in the records Dept who re adept at loosing paperwork.