I'd just like to point out that Burning a flag is an Interpr from the Supreme court as an expression of protest is covered under the 1st amendmt.

Not everyone agree with the supreme court but we have to live with it.....that doesn't mean we have to like it and that sure as hell doesn't mean you can't voice your dislike over the burning of a flag.

When you think about it, there is no "speech" involved, its an act, a totally symbolic one but a physical act, unless there is a speech to go with it.

This puts it in the same catagory as burning leaves without a permit or burning trash, both of which you can be cited for under city ordinances or arson...So in other words you can burn a flag if its in the spirit of protest but you can't burn leaves on your own property....where is the freedom in that? :o

Anyhow, those who jump up and scream about 1st amend better think about this, burning the American flag symbolizes...what...destruction? Anachry? Revolution? Chaos? What?

Those who would burn a flag would burn our country and would also burn the constitution and our rights and freedoms.

be careful who or what you support.


Billy

Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on May 20, 2011, 07:07:09 PM
I'd just like to point out that Burning a flag is an Interpr from the Supreme court as an expression of protest is covered under the 1st amendmt.

Not everyone agree with the supreme court but we have to live with it.....that doesn't mean we have to like it and that sure as hell doesn't mean you can't voice your dislike over the burning of a flag.

When you think about it, there is no "speech" involved, its an act, a totally symbolic one but a physical act, unless there is a speech to go with it.

This puts it in the same catagory as burning leaves without a permit or burning trash, both of which you can be cited for under city ordinances or arson...So in other words you can burn a flag if its in the spirit of protest but you can't burn leaves on your own property....where is the freedom in that? :o

Anyhow, those who jump up and scream about 1st amend better think about this, burning the American flag symbolizes...what...destruction? Anachry? Revolution? Chaos? What?

Those who would burn a flag would burn our country and would also burn the constitution and our rights and freedoms.

be careful who or what you support.


Billy

Well said Billy.
We should use their own laws against them when you see someone bur a flag.

If its cotton, there is no infraction, but if it contains plastic, like rayon or nylon, that is illegal in every state, its a fed EPA law.

This is what the lady at the local EPA told me, she said if a neighbor is burning leaves, debris, or slash, thats fine as long as they have a permit, but if they burn any kind of plastic, she said they can come on your property without a warrant and cite you and have the fire dept put it out, classify it as hazardous waste and bill you for the clean up.

She said clean up usually runs in the thousands, to tens of thousands, not including the fine.
And heres the clincher, it is all put on your land taxes, so if you don't pay, they take your property.

Citizens arrest for polluting, that would burn their ass!

Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on May 20, 2011, 07:07:09 PM
I'd just like to point out that Burning a flag is an Interpr from the Supreme court as an expression of protest is covered under the 1st amendmt.

Not everyone agree with the supreme court but we have to live with it.....that doesn't mean we have to like it and that sure as hell doesn't mean you can't voice your dislike over the burning of a flag.

When you think about it, there is no "speech" involved, its an act, a totally symbolic one but a physical act, unless there is a speech to go with it.

This puts it in the same catagory as burning leaves without a permit or burning trash, both of which you can be cited for under city ordinances or arson...So in other words you can burn a flag if its in the spirit of protest but you can't burn leaves on your own property....where is the freedom in that? :o

Anyhow, those who jump up and scream about 1st amend better think about this, burning the American flag symbolizes...what...destruction? Anachry? Revolution? Chaos? What?

Those who would burn a flag would burn our country and would also burn the constitution and our rights and freedoms.

be careful who or what you support.


Billy

I certainly understand that, but to me, is burning the Constitution protected by the Constitution?  At what point does intent override one's intent to "express"?

At what point does intent override one's intent to "express"?

Then happens when you wrap the hippie in the Flag and then set fire to it.

Quote from: redlom xof on May 18, 2011, 12:15:58 AM
No you're just assaulting someone.

OK, what about those idiots protesting military funerals?  Are they assaulting someone or exercising free speech?

Quote from: Inked on May 21, 2011, 06:17:20 AM

OK, what about those idiots protesting military funerals?  Are they assaulting someone or exercising free speech?

It is a perfectly acceptable display of free speech to stand 20-deep --- blocking nut-jobs from disrupting a funeral. Assault happens when a nut-job decides to go through anyway. In that case, those nice well-muscled men in biker leather have EVERY RIGHT to defend themselves against suet-muscled freaks....

 :D

Every club of riders sets different rules for themselves. I sure wish that all the bikers would get together and adopt a design for a small patch, exactly like a patch handed out by the Scouts. In this case: I rode over a Westboro Baptist Church member earns a GREEN badge, and for RED.....

Quote from: taxed on May 20, 2011, 10:48:57 PM
I certainly understand that, but to me, is burning the Constitution protected by the Constitution?  At what point does intent override one's intent to "express"?

I would imagine it is, burning a piece of paper symbolic of the Constitution or the bill of rights would certainly be protected if it were accompanied by "speech".

However, what would be the point, burn a document that allows you to burn a document? And replace it with what?,a document that doesn't?  Kinda stupid, but the mentality of most of these anarchist type of protesters is usually just that.


Billy