Fiscal Deal Reached: Big Republican Compromise?

Started by Jon7, December 31, 2012, 07:57:47 PM

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Did Republicans Compromise Too Much?

Yes
No

Jon7

Check the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/fiscal-cliff/biden-mcconnell-continue-cliff-talks-as-clock-winds-down/2012/12/31/66c044e2-534d-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_story.html

Here comes the tax to the rich. Is this a big Republican compromise or what. I feel like Republican leaders were looking to save face instead of doing what is right.

-Jon

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Darth Fife

I honestly believe that this is part of the reason why the Republicans lost in November.

They took their base for granted and in so doing believed they could compromise any and all of their principles to woo the so-called independent voter! What they failed to realize is that most of the independents are actually conservative Republicans who are sick and tired of the Republicans trying to be Democrat Lite!

It's like that old song says... you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything...

Exactly what do the Republicans stand for any more?  :unsure:

Shooterman

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Bronx

The Republicans folded like a cheap suit. This is what we got in a nutshell...

$1 in Spending Cuts for Every $41 in Tax Increases. Great deal huh.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/31/Fiscal-cliff-deal-41-1-in-tax-increases-to-spending-cuts-ratio

Here are the guys in the Senate you can talk to.

Grouped by Home State


Alabama: Sessions (R-AL), Yea Shelby (R-AL), Nay

Alaska: Begich (D-AK), Yea Murkowski (R-AK), Yea

Arizona: Kyl (R-AZ), Yea McCain (R-AZ), Yea

Arkansas: Boozman (R-AR), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Yea

California: Boxer (D-CA), Yea Feinstein (D-CA), Yea

Colorado: Bennet (D-CO), Nay Udall (D-CO), Yea

Connecticut: Blumenthal (D-CT), Yea Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea

Delaware: Carper (D-DE), Nay Coons (D-DE), Yea

Florida: Nelson (D-FL), Yea Rubio (R-FL), Nay

Georgia: Chambliss (R-GA), Yea Isakson (R-GA), Yea

Hawaii: Akaka (D-HI), Yea Schatz (D-HI), Yea

Idaho: Crapo (R-ID), Yea Risch (R-ID), Yea

Illinois: Durbin (D-IL), Yea Kirk (R-IL), Not Voting

Indiana: Coats (R-IN), Yea Lugar (R-IN), Yea

Iowa: Grassley (R-IA), Nay Harkin (D-IA), Nay

Kansas: Moran (R-KS), Yea Roberts (R-KS), Yea

Kentucky: McConnell (R-KY), Yea Paul (R-KY), Nay

Louisiana: Landrieu (D-LA), Yea Vitter (R-LA), Yea

Maine: Collins (R-ME), Yea Snowe (R-ME), Yea

Maryland: Cardin (D-MD), Yea Mikulski (D-MD), Yea

Massachusetts: Brown (R-MA), Yea Kerry (D-MA), Yea

Michigan: Levin (D-MI), Yea Stabenow (D-MI), Yea

Minnesota: Franken (D-MN), Yea Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea

Mississippi: Cochran (R-MS), Yea Wicker (R-MS), Yea

Missouri: Blunt (R-MO), Yea McCaskill (D-MO), Yea

Montana: Baucus (D-MT), Yea Tester (D-MT), Yea

Nebraska: Johanns (R-NE), Yea Nelson (D-NE), Yea

Nevada: Heller (R-NV), Yea Reid (D-NV), Yea

New Hampshire: Ayotte (R-NH), Yea Shaheen (D-NH), Yea

New Jersey: Lautenberg (D-NJ), Not Voting Menendez (D-NJ), Yea

New Mexico: Bingaman (D-NM), Yea Udall (D-NM), Yea

New York: Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea Schumer (D-NY), Yea

North Carolina: Burr (R-NC), Yea Hagan (D-NC), Yea

North Dakota: Conrad (D-ND), Yea Hoeven (R-ND), Yea

Ohio: Brown (D-OH), Yea Portman (R-OH), Yea

Oklahoma: Coburn (R-OK), Yea Inhofe (R-OK), Yea

Oregon: Merkley (D-OR), Yea Wyden (D-OR), Yea

Pennsylvania: Casey (D-PA), Yea Toomey (R-PA), Yea

Rhode Island: Reed (D-RI), Yea Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea

South Carolina: DeMint (R-SC), Not Voting Graham (R-SC), Yea

South Dakota: Johnson (D-SD), Yea Thune (R-SD), Yea

Tennessee: Alexander (R-TN), Yea Corker (R-TN), Yea

Texas: Cornyn (R-TX), Yea Hutchison (R-TX), Yea

Utah: Hatch (R-UT), Yea Lee (R-UT), Nay

Vermont: Leahy (D-VT), Yea Sanders (I-VT), Yea

Virginia: Warner (D-VA), Yea Webb (D-VA), Yea

Washington: Cantwell (D-WA), Yea Murray (D-WA), Yea

West Virginia: Manchin (D-WV), Yea Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea

Wisconsin: Johnson (R-WI), Yea Kohl (D-WI), Yea

Wyoming: Barrasso (R-WY), Yea Enzi (R-WY), Yea


http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=2&vote=00251
People sleep peacefully at night because there are a few tough men prepared to do violence on their behalf.

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Bronx

Here it is. The full text of the: American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012, AKA the bill to avert the Fiscal Cliff.

Why is it a 157 pages?

Because in addition to the tax and spending stuff, there's all kinds of goodies, like extensions of credits for green energy, and all that stuff in there, that they always put in these things.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/breaking-full-text-of-the-157-page-bill-to-avert-the-fiscal-cliff-2013-1#ixzz2Gjyd6P00

People sleep peacefully at night because there are a few tough men prepared to do violence on their behalf.

A foolish man complains about his torn pockets.

A wise man uses it to scratch his balls.

kramarat

Quote from: Bronx on January 01, 2013, 08:02:59 AM
The Republicans folded like a cheap suit. This is what we got in a nutshell...

$1 in Spending Cuts for Every $41 in Tax Increases. Great deal huh.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/31/Fiscal-cliff-deal-41-1-in-tax-increases-to-spending-cuts-ratio

Here are the guys in the Senate you can talk to.

Grouped by Home State


Alabama: Sessions (R-AL), Yea Shelby (R-AL), Nay

Alaska: Begich (D-AK), Yea Murkowski (R-AK), Yea

Arizona: Kyl (R-AZ), Yea McCain (R-AZ), Yea

Arkansas: Boozman (R-AR), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Yea

California: Boxer (D-CA), Yea Feinstein (D-CA), Yea

Colorado: Bennet (D-CO), Nay Udall (D-CO), Yea

Connecticut: Blumenthal (D-CT), Yea Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea

Delaware: Carper (D-DE), Nay Coons (D-DE), Yea

Florida: Nelson (D-FL), Yea Rubio (R-FL), Nay

Georgia: Chambliss (R-GA), Yea Isakson (R-GA), Yea

Hawaii: Akaka (D-HI), Yea Schatz (D-HI), Yea

Idaho: Crapo (R-ID), Yea Risch (R-ID), Yea

Illinois: Durbin (D-IL), Yea Kirk (R-IL), Not Voting

Indiana: Coats (R-IN), Yea Lugar (R-IN), Yea

Iowa: Grassley (R-IA), Nay Harkin (D-IA), Nay

Kansas: Moran (R-KS), Yea Roberts (R-KS), Yea

Kentucky: McConnell (R-KY), Yea Paul (R-KY), Nay

Louisiana: Landrieu (D-LA), Yea Vitter (R-LA), Yea

Maine: Collins (R-ME), Yea Snowe (R-ME), Yea

Maryland: Cardin (D-MD), Yea Mikulski (D-MD), Yea

Massachusetts: Brown (R-MA), Yea Kerry (D-MA), Yea

Michigan: Levin (D-MI), Yea Stabenow (D-MI), Yea

Minnesota: Franken (D-MN), Yea Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea

Mississippi: Cochran (R-MS), Yea Wicker (R-MS), Yea

Missouri: Blunt (R-MO), Yea McCaskill (D-MO), Yea

Montana: Baucus (D-MT), Yea Tester (D-MT), Yea

Nebraska: Johanns (R-NE), Yea Nelson (D-NE), Yea

Nevada: Heller (R-NV), Yea Reid (D-NV), Yea

New Hampshire: Ayotte (R-NH), Yea Shaheen (D-NH), Yea

New Jersey: Lautenberg (D-NJ), Not Voting Menendez (D-NJ), Yea

New Mexico: Bingaman (D-NM), Yea Udall (D-NM), Yea

New York: Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea Schumer (D-NY), Yea

North Carolina: Burr (R-NC), Yea Hagan (D-NC), Yea

North Dakota: Conrad (D-ND), Yea Hoeven (R-ND), Yea

Ohio: Brown (D-OH), Yea Portman (R-OH), Yea

Oklahoma: Coburn (R-OK), Yea Inhofe (R-OK), Yea

Oregon: Merkley (D-OR), Yea Wyden (D-OR), Yea

Pennsylvania: Casey (D-PA), Yea Toomey (R-PA), Yea

Rhode Island: Reed (D-RI), Yea Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea

South Carolina: DeMint (R-SC), Not Voting Graham (R-SC), Yea

South Dakota: Johnson (D-SD), Yea Thune (R-SD), Yea

Tennessee: Alexander (R-TN), Yea Corker (R-TN), Yea

Texas: Cornyn (R-TX), Yea Hutchison (R-TX), Yea

Utah: Hatch (R-UT), Yea Lee (R-UT), Nay

Vermont: Leahy (D-VT), Yea Sanders (I-VT), Yea

Virginia: Warner (D-VA), Yea Webb (D-VA), Yea

Washington: Cantwell (D-WA), Yea Murray (D-WA), Yea

West Virginia: Manchin (D-WV), Yea Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea

Wisconsin: Johnson (R-WI), Yea Kohl (D-WI), Yea

Wyoming: Barrasso (R-WY), Yea Enzi (R-WY), Yea


http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=2&vote=00251

Thanks Bronx.

I feel ill. Obama now has a compliant republican party. Time for him to announce tax cuts, and take credit for helping the working people. They won't amount to shit, but he will emerge as a hero of the working class.

walkstall

A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

walkstall

So I see the "Fiscal Cliff" has just been moved out is all! 

Unemployment will go down more this year.  As more go off unemployment checks and are no longer counted as unemployed.

If unemployment was going down from people going back to work, there would be a bigger tax base.

The money is do sometime.   You have to love the way lib's think.  When Peter takes his money and runs, what the hell will Paul do?
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

Yawn

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Quote from: kramarat on January 01, 2013, 09:54:12 AM
Thanks Bronx.

I feel ill. Obama now has a compliant republican party. Time for him to announce tax cuts, and take credit for helping the working people. They won't amount to shit, but he will emerge as a hero of the working class.

Seems the Republicans can't win no matter what they do.  They compromised, so when things go further south, Obama will say it's because he didn't get what he wanted--it was a half measure ($400k instead of $250k).  A lot of conservatives will call them RINOS for this compromise. But if they were obstructionists and stood in the way of ANY tax increases, you know how that would play out.

I wouldn't care if the leadership just let him have his way, but I bet I'm nearly alone in wishing for that. But at least Obama would own it, but you all would say we have a useless do-nothing Congress, so I don't see how they could win regardless (irregardless  :wink:) of what they do.

kramarat

Quote from: Yawn on January 01, 2013, 11:46:17 AM
Seems the Republicans can't win no matter what they do.  They compromised, so when things go further south, Obama will say it's because he didn't get what he wanted--it was a half measure ($400k instead of $250k).  A lot of conservatives will call them RINOS for this compromise. But if they were obstructionists and stood in the way of ANY tax increases, you know how that would play out.

I wouldn't care if the leadership just let him have his way, but I bet I'm nearly alone in wishing for that. But at least Obama would own it, but you all would say we have a useless do-nothing Congress, so I don't see how they could win regardless (irregardless  :wink:) of what they do.

The republicans, (if they even give a crap), should start holding weekly press conferences for anyone willing to set up a camera, and explain, (in plain language), what the democrats are doing to the country.

walkstall

Quote from: kramarat on January 01, 2013, 12:13:48 PM
The republicans, (if they even give a crap), should start holding weekly press conferences for anyone willing to set up a camera, and explain, (in plain language), what the democrats are doing to the country.

A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

Yawn

Quote from: kramarat on January 01, 2013, 12:13:48 PM
The republicans, (if they even give a crap), should start holding weekly press conferences for anyone willing to set up a camera, and explain, (in plain language), what the democrats are doing to the country.

If a Republican holds a press conference, and nobody (at least from the MSM) shows up, did it really ever happen?  I've heard they do, but the MSM doesn't take their position seriously.  They go to Obeyme and he says the Republicans want to starve old people and kill children, and the MSM asks the Republicans, "Why do you want to starve old people and kill children?"

Darth Fife

Utah: Hatch (R-UT), Yea Lee (R-UT), Nay

I voted against Hatch in both the primary and the general! He is a RINO with a capital "R"!





BILLY Defiant

I'm disappointed...At least Rubio voted Nay...


Billy
Evil operates best when it is disguised for what it truly is.

Rockntractor

You can expect this same level of bravery from Republicans when the first gun bill hits the house.