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But in 2008 the Finnish government introduced a new policy for the homeless: It started implementing the "Housing First" concept. Since then the number of people affected has fallen sharply.

And the country is successful: It is the only EU-country where the number of homeless people is declining.

Homeless people turn into tenants with a tenancy agreement. They also have to pay rent and operating costs. Social workers, who have offices in the residential buildings, help with financial issues such as applications for social benefits.

Creating housing for people costs money. In the past 10 years, 270 million euros were spent on the construction, purchase and renovation of housing as part of the "Housing First" programme. However, Juha Kaakinen points out, this is far less than the cost of homelessness itself. Because when people are in emergency situations, emergencies are more frequent: Assaults, injuries, breakdowns. The police, health care and justice systems are more often called upon to step in – and this also costs money.
In comparison, "Housing First" is cheaper than accepting homelessness: Now, the state spends 15,000 euros less per year per homeless person than before.

https://scoop.me/housing-first-finland-homelessness/

This is very, very, interesting. I wonder how it could work here. I think that L.A., for ex. would be an issue because of property values. But if the shelters and apartments are in lower cost parts of the State it might work.

A major key to this is probably also the Social Work aspect of this too...

I saw this a couple of years ago and it has its detractors. Problem is, the US doesn't have a homeless problem. What we have are Dim cities baiting in the mentally ill and drug users with free shit and a get out of jail free card for anything they want to do in public.

Quote from: Solar on January 07, 2020, 06:40:24 AM
I saw this a couple of years ago and it has its detractors. Problem is, the US doesn't have a homeless problem. What we have are Dim cities baiting in the mentally ill and drug users with free shit and a get out of jail free card for anything they want to do in public.

  3% unemployment eliminates most actual homeless.

Quote from: Solar on January 07, 2020, 06:40:24 AM
I saw this a couple of years ago and it has its detractors. Problem is, the US doesn't have a homeless problem. What we have are Dim cities baiting in the mentally ill and drug users with free shit and a get out of jail free card for anything they want to do in public.

Eh, you're right. As a percentage of population we don't really have a problem with homelessness. But those States that do might look at this as a roadmap.

Quote from: joesixpack on January 07, 2020, 06:57:23 AM
Eh, you're right. As a percentage of population we don't really have a problem with homelessness. But those States that do might look at this as a roadmap.

In Austin, there used to be state run hospitals for those who could not function in society, did not matter if it was from mental problems, drug problems, ect. They had meals, beds, and medical care. A hell of a lot better than crapping on the sidewalks. Now, Austin has a problem with homeless attacking citizens. These people need help, not handouts.

Quote from: joesixpack on January 07, 2020, 06:57:23 AM
Eh, you're right. As a percentage of population we don't really have a problem with homelessness. But those States that do might look at this as a roadmap.

Only countries with socialist type systems have serious homeless problems.

Quote from: Solar on January 07, 2020, 07:23:43 AM
Only countries with socialist type systems have serious homeless problems.

I looked up Canada based on what you said and they only got like 3000 unsheltered homeless people.

Quote from: joesixpack on January 07, 2020, 07:49:17 AM
I looked up Canada based on what you said and they only got like 3000 unsheltered homeless people.

what are their winters like?

Quote from: joesixpack on January 07, 2020, 07:49:17 AM
I looked up Canada based on what you said and they only got like 3000 unsheltered homeless people.

Maybe for one town...

It is difficult to say exactly how many Canadians are homeless. However, the most recent statistics from 2014 indicate that an estimated 35,000 Canadians experience homelessness on any given night, and at least 235,000 Canadians are homeless in any given year. Of that number, it is estimated that 180,000 are using emergency shelters (including women's shelters), 50,000 are being housed temporarily in other types of non-profit organizations, such as hospitals or by family or acquaintances, and 5,000 are sleeping outside.

For example, a recent point-in-time count conducted for Toronto's Street Needs Assessment found that on the night of 26 April 2018, there were 8,715 homeless individuals, with 2,618 of them housed in refugee/asylum claimant shelters.

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/homelessness-in-canada  Toy

Quote from: joesixpack on January 07, 2020, 07:49:17 AM
I looked up Canada based on what you said and they only got like 3000 unsheltered homeless people.

Show me this link to your source, I need a good laugh this afternoon.

Quote from: joesixpack on January 07, 2020, 05:40:50 AM
This is very, very, interesting. I wonder how it could work here. I think that L.A., for ex. would be an issue because of property values. But if the shelters and apartments are in lower cost parts of the State it might work.

A major key to this is probably also the Social Work aspect of this too...

It's an interesting concept. Being someone who works with the homeless for a living, I can tell you though it is not all about housing. Yes, it is nice to get homeless people housing, but it is more about changing a lifestyle then just plopping them into a house and patting yourself on the back for a job well done. Plenty of homeless people I work with will get housing through the state, but then lose it because they cannot sustain there. Simple things like cleaning, doing laundry, and being accountable to the small amount of rent they do have to pay, almost always fails.
One important thing to remember is that there is a mindset in living on the street. Even those who have been homeless for a year struggle to acclimate back. Not to mention the implementation of mental illness, drug addiction, and a lack of support, this is a policy that is bound to fail.

Quote from: Solars Toy on January 07, 2020, 08:02:10 AM
Maybe for one town...

It is difficult to say exactly how many Canadians are homeless. However, the most recent statistics from 2014 indicate that an estimated 35,000 Canadians experience homelessness on any given night, and at least 235,000 Canadians are homeless in any given year. Of that number, it is estimated that 180,000 are using emergency shelters (including women's shelters), 50,000 are being housed temporarily in other types of non-profit organizations, such as hospitals or by family or acquaintances, and 5,000 are sleeping outside.

For example, a recent point-in-time count conducted for Toronto's Street Needs Assessment found that on the night of 26 April 2018, there were 8,715 homeless individuals, with 2,618 of them housed in refugee/asylum claimant shelters.

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/homelessness-in-canada  Toy

Ah, yours says it's about 5000 unsheltered.

Here's a link to the site where I got the 3000 from:

https://www.homelesshub.ca/about-homelessness/homelessness-101/how-many-people-are-homeless-canada

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on January 07, 2020, 08:34:55 AM
It's an interesting concept. Being someone who works with the homeless for a living, I can tell you though it is not all about housing. Yes, it is nice to get homeless people housing, but it is more about changing a lifestyle then just plopping them into a house and patting yourself on the back for a job well done. Plenty of homeless people I work with will get housing through the state, but then lose it because they cannot sustain there. Simple things like cleaning, doing laundry, and being accountable to the small amount of rent they do have to pay, almost always fails.
One important thing to remember is that there is a mindset in living on the street. Even those who have been homeless for a year struggle to acclimate back. Not to mention the implementation of mental illness, drug addiction, and a lack of support, this is a policy that is bound to fail.

They've done the same thing in my state, it yields the same results. Tackling the issues that cause homelessness is the only way to truly combat it, specifically mental health and substance abuse.

The liberals keep insisting on using other people's money to "fix" problems.

I've seen the majority of those same homeless given shelter end up on the streets again, because that system fails to look at why they are homeless in the first place. Of course, the temporary solution is much easier when you have other people's money to use and it makes you look great for election year!

Quote from: Republitarian on January 07, 2020, 09:30:37 AM
They've done the same thing in my state, it yields the same results. Tackling the issues that cause homelessness is the only way to truly combat it, specifically mental health and substance abuse.

The liberals keep insisting on using other people's money to "fix" problems.

I've seen the majority of those same homeless given shelter end up on the streets again, because that system fails to look at why they are homeless in the first place. Of course, the temporary solution is much easier when you have other people's money to use and it makes you look great for election year!

I agree. That's why it's so important in the Finnish model that the people they house have access to mental health counselors and advisors.

Quote from: joesixpack on January 07, 2020, 07:49:17 AM
I looked up Canada based on what you said and they only got like 3000 unsheltered homeless people.

Nope, it says nothing about 3000, but I find it telling you were willing to lie about your bogus number, because your link clearly states, "150,000 and 300,000 individuals experience homelessness in Canada each year" in the opening paragraph.

people.https://www.homelesshub.ca/about-homelessness/homelessness-101/how-many-people-are-homeless-canada