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Re: Senator Jeff Flake won't run for re-election
« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2017, 05:36:28 PM »
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Re: Senator Jeff Flake won't run for re-election
« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2017, 05:58:10 AM »
That's the thing, the Establishment is it's own worst enemy, as well as the nations Number One Enemy now, and that's why they're bailing the sinking ship. Flake was too far left for his constituency, he has only, but himself to blame.

Hell, the Establishment just had an 8-year preview of their own future watching the Dim party implode by moving too far left, and even though they saw it, they still insisted on funding all of the Marxists failed socialist programs.
These people are incorrigible, which is why so many are bailing now, knowing what the future holds for the establishment.

They use to call it, "working together, crossing party lines, bi-partisan cooperation, blah-blah-blah".

What you've just identified is the one-party system in DC, with a couple of outsider groups, TEA, Conservatives, Independents, Libertarians and Socialist-Communists (Bernie).   The BIG party is the ESTABLISHMENT, comprised of Democrats & Republicans.  Everyone else is unwelcome, boat-rocking, outsiders they're trying to keep at bay.   I've thought about it a L-O-N-G time, why do supposedly good people go to Washington, and turn into these establishment hacks?  Some of them sort of teeter on the fence (Marco Rubio), but we seem to lose the majority of them to the Establishment?   

IMO, it boils down to the acquisition of power & the corrupting influence of the money associated with that power.  If you want to go anywhere, do anything for an extended period of time, you'll realize quickly, get onboard early with the Establishment, or plan on fighting against 80% of the congress, as "they" marginalize you, the out-sider, kook, fanatic, extreme, fringe, etc..

Case in point, another Democrat flipped to the Republican party.   Oh, his name escapes me... he wasn't doing a damn thing to distinguish himself/herself as a Republican, Conservative, Liberal, Libertarian, Socialist, Communist - nothing at all.  Like a moth to a porch light, he/she saw the way to power is join the Establishment.  We're going to call him/her a RINO.   He/she is really the Establishment.  :mad:


If there is one thing I'm see clearer and clearer each day, reading the wisdom of the standard bearers on this forum, all these little groups are just considered the "fringe groups" which are just outside of the Establishment... slowly trudging away from the Constitution.  Republican, Democrat or Independent is irrelevant to the behemoth. 
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Re: Senator Jeff Flake won't run for re-election
« Reply #47 on: October 26, 2017, 06:28:50 AM »
They use to call it, "working together, crossing party lines, bi-partisan cooperation, blah-blah-blah".
Exactly Hoofer...
I'm not correcting you here, merely expanding on some points.
Remember, it was always one-sided the last 30 plus years, with the GOP capitulating to the demands of the left.
This really started with Nixon under the direction of Roger Aisles.

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What you've just identified is the one-party system in DC, with a couple of outsider groups, TEA, Conservatives, Independents, Libertarians and Socialist-Communists (Bernie).   The BIG party is the ESTABLISHMENT, comprised of Democrats & Republicans.
All by leftist design, when the left discovered inroads to the GOP by leveraging corporate power in the form of monied backers.
Now these very same leftist backers that brought the Dim party to the pinnacle of success for such a short time, moved into the GOP as the Establishment.
Yes, they destroyed the Dim party and are now doing the exact same thing to the leftist GOP. And By God, that's a damn good thing because their arrogant incompetence angers the base, who will be taking over the party.

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Everyone else is unwelcome, boat-rocking, outsiders they're trying to keep at bay.   I've thought about it a L-O-N-G time, why do supposedly good people go to Washington, and turn into these establishment hacks?  Some of them sort of teeter on the fence (Marco Rubio), but we seem to lose the majority of them to the Establishment?
 
Actually, Rubio was one of these Establishment plants that ran on a TEA platform. But I know what you mean.

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IMO, it boils down to the acquisition of power & the corrupting influence of the money associated with that power.  If you want to go anywhere, do anything for an extended period of time, you'll realize quickly, get onboard early with the Establishment, or plan on fighting against 80% of the congress, as "they" marginalize you, the out-sider, kook, fanatic, extreme, fringe, etc..

Case in point, another Democrat flipped to the Republican party.   Oh, his name escapes me... he wasn't doing a damn thing to distinguish himself/herself as a Republican, Conservative, Liberal, Libertarian, Socialist, Communist - nothing at all.  Like a moth to a porch light, he/she saw the way to power is join the Establishment.  We're going to call him/her a RINO.   He/she is really the Establishment.  :mad:
Yep, they pulled the same crap under Newt's leadership, but instead of telling the leftists to take a flying leap, the GOP embraced them with open arms, further watering down the party, as planned all along.

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If there is one thing I'm see clearer and clearer each day, reading the wisdom of the standard bearers on this forum, all these little groups are just considered the "fringe groups" which are just outside of the Establishment... slowly trudging away from the Constitution.  Republican, Democrat or Independent is irrelevant to the behemoth.
But change is on the doorstep come Midterms. All those fringe groups on the Right have one thing in common, they despise Marxists, particularly the ones with an (R) next to their name.
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Re: Senator Jeff Flake won't run for re-election
« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2017, 06:54:29 AM »
Actually, Rubio was one of these Establishment plants that ran on a TEA platform. But I know what you mean.

A bit of history, when Bob Corker was running initially, I was working in TN, and heard the Radio & TV ads - the guy sounded solid.
I regret a discussion with a co-worker, which I recommended Corker as someone who was not beholden to the beltway "system" and would represent the folks of the Volunteer State...  boy, was I ever wrong - or should I say, "boy did he ever lie to us."
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Re: Senator Jeff Flake won't run for re-election
« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2017, 05:33:44 AM »
Proof of what? I suppose you will demand everyone prove every opinion they have now. No need to fly off the handle because tax cuts arent going to happen now and the reps will lose the senate  in a year they should have  picked  up 4 or  5 seats. By the way, what  piece  of  conservative legislation has passed congress with REPS in CONTROL of congress. Squat.
Reply to post #13, or take a timeout. This is a debate forum, not Facebook for ignorant children!
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