Ebola Thread, Or My Favorite, "Obola" Thread

Started by Solar, October 09, 2014, 10:20:39 AM

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You guys are shitting yourselves over nothing. Here's the situation in a nutshell.

{HOW IT BEGAN}
The strain of Ebola that is spreading right now lives in bats, which eat fruit. They drop the fruit, which is eaten by other animals. People eat these animals, and someone got Ebola.

{EBOLA'S INFECTION}
Ebola only spreads through consistent contact with bodily fluids. The airborne shit is just rumors, cater-made for the paranoid. It's true that there has been forced aerial transfer from pigs to primates, but there is no evidence that this happens from human to human.
The areas in Africa in which it's spreading are real rough places to be, mostly because there is no running water. It's pretty hard to clean yourself with no running water. Combine this with rituals like washing the dead, mistrust of doctors (sound familiar?), and the belief in witch doctors, and you're asking for trouble. That is why Ebola is spreading in Africa right now, poor sanitation and a lack of education, not because it's any meaner or more pathogenic than a million other viruses. Not to mention, it's only transmissible from someone who is showing signs of deep infection, and I don't think any of you would be shaking hands with someone bleeding and obviously sick.

{AMERICA}
It's not going to even make a dent. It spreads through bodily fluids, and how often do you take in a strangers bodily fluids? You could even shake hands with someone with Ebola and you'd probably be fine; it's a very hard virus to catch if you just practice basic hygiene. Forget about the science for a moment and use common sense: So far only one person has died, a person who had just flown in from a hot-zone. He had been in confirmed contact with at least 18 people or so, and they're all fine. Yeah, real scary.

{"Obola"}
This strain of virus has been known since 1976. Viruses do not have politics, and they don't need an excuse to spread.

You're all going even more nuts than usual over something that's damn-near impossible to catch in a country with soap and water.

Solar

Quote from: Completion555 on October 10, 2014, 06:15:49 AM
You guys are shitting yourselves over nothing. Here's the situation in a nutshell.

{HOW IT BEGAN}
The strain of Ebola that is spreading right now lives in bats, which eat fruit. They drop the fruit, which is eaten by other animals. People eat these animals, and someone got Ebola.

{EBOLA'S INFECTION}
Ebola only spreads through consistent contact with bodily fluids. The airborne shit is just rumors, cater-made for the paranoid. It's true that there has been forced aerial transfer from pigs to primates, but there is no evidence that this happens from human to human.
The areas in Africa in which it's spreading are real rough places to be, mostly because there is no running water. It's pretty hard to clean yourself with no running water. Combine this with rituals like washing the dead, mistrust of doctors (sound familiar?), and the belief in witch doctors, and you're asking for trouble. That is why Ebola is spreading in Africa right now, poor sanitation and a lack of education, not because it's any meaner or more pathogenic than a million other viruses. Not to mention, it's only transmissible from someone who is showing signs of deep infection, and I don't think any of you would be shaking hands with someone bleeding and obviously sick.

{AMERICA}
It's not going to even make a dent. It spreads through bodily fluids, and how often do you take in a strangers bodily fluids? You could even shake hands with someone with Ebola and you'd probably be fine; it's a very hard virus to catch if you just practice basic hygiene. Forget about the science for a moment and use common sense: So far only one person has died, a person who had just flown in from a hot-zone. He had been in confirmed contact with at least 18 people or so, and they're all fine. Yeah, real scary.

{"Obola"}
This strain of virus has been known since
I suggest you do some serious research, and quit relying on out of date information.
All of what you posted is "ASSUMED" not proven, even the scientist that discovered it disclaimed the more we know about the disease, the more we realize we don't know..
Even he doesn't discount it's ability to spread via air.. Do you know how long it lives outside the body? If you do, you know far more than the researchers.

Where do you get this straw man BS that we're "shitting ourselves"? Being prepared is quite the opposite. Being ignorant of a threat is what liberals do, they claim to be the most enlightened in the room (take note), then bury their head in the sand and hope nobody notices their exposed ass.
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I'm pretty sure Ebola will be forcefully brought to the West if it doesn't happen accidentally, the Government have political incentives and especially the WHO only have economic incentives to create a panic. And then you also have the Malthusians in government who will do everything they can to ensure that ebola will cause as much damage as possible, after all to the Socialist the problem with Africa is that it is full of Africans.

Quote from: Completion555 on October 10, 2014, 06:15:49 AM
You guys are shitting yourselves over nothing. Here's the situation in a nutshell.

You are insinuating we are hysteric over this plague, I for one is not hysteric and I will never allow my body to be polluted by United Nations created "medicine", but that does not mean that I'm not worried and do not feel empathy with the victims of this disease. Saying Ebola is a non-issue is flat out naivete.

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Quote from: Solar on October 10, 2014, 06:28:45 AM
Where do you get this straw man BS that we're "shitting ourselves"? Being prepared is quite the opposite. Being ignorant of a threat is what liberals do, they claim to be the most enlightened in the room (take note), then bury their head in the sand and hope nobody notices their exposed ass.

Lol indeed, it's the liberals who are shitting themselves and like the swineflu hysteria will scream for the WHO to save them no matter the cost and corruption.

Completion555

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By the way Solar, did you even read that article you posted? Here's a few things you may have missed:

QuoteIn their experiments, the pigs carrying the virus were housed in pens with the monkeys in close proximity but separated by a wire barrier. After eight days, some of the macaques were showing clinical signs typical of ebola and were euthanised.

One possibility is that the monkeys became infected by inhaling large aerosol droplets produced from the respiratory tracts of the pigs.

pigs could be a natural host
Pigs could act as a host and amplify the Ebola virus
One of the scientists involved is Dr Gary Kobinger from the National Microbiology Laboratory at the Public Health Agency of Canada. He told BBC News this was the most likely route of the infection.

"What we suspect is happening is large droplets - they can stay in the air, but not long, they don't go far," he explained.

So the animals were kept in close proximity and SOME of the macaques took 8 DAYS to get infected! THE TERROR! But wait, it gets better.

QuoteDr Kobinger stresses that the transmission in the air is not similar to influenza or other infections. He points to the experience of most human outbreaks in Africa.

"The reality is that they are contained and they remain local, if it was really an airborne virus like influenza is it would spread all over the place, and that's not happening."

How funny is that; the article you posted to show that Ebola is airborne has a succinct explanation by the guy who actually ran the experiment as to why it's not really. I look foreword to you worming out of this one. 

Solar

Quote from: Completion555 on October 10, 2014, 06:33:45 AM
By the way Solar, did you even read that article you posted? Here's a few things you may have missed:

So the animals were kept in close proximity and SOME of the macaques took 8 DAYS to get infected! THE TERROR! But wait, it gets better.

How funny is that; the article you posted to show that Ebola is airborne has a succinct explanation by the guy who actually ran the experiment as to why it's not really. I look foreword to you worming out of this one.
How does that disprove anything, being dissimilar, in no way discounts my claim. What it does say, as I stated earlier, they just don't know, they are in their infancy of understanding this disease, and to accept any advice on avoiding it by simply "washing ones hands" as you claim, is nothing short of suicide, because if that were true, all those dealing with the virus would be seen in face masks and rubber gloves, yet they dawn hazmat suits, why is that? Please, enlighten us, why are they wearing hazmat suits if the disease is so innocuous?

I'm not saying they're hiding information, I'm pointing out the obvious, they, like us, don't know the extent of this diseases ability to transmit itself.
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QuoteHow does that disprove anything, being dissimilar, in no way discounts my claim.
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This sentence makes no sense.

Quote from: Solar on October 10, 2014, 06:57:07 AM
What it does say, as I stated earlier, they just don't know, they are in their infancy of understanding this disease, and to accept any advice on avoiding it by simply "washing ones hands" as you claim, is nothing short of suicide, because if that were true, all those dealing with the virus would be seen in face masks and rubber gloves, yet they dawn hazmat suits, why is that? Please, enlighten us, why are they wearing hazmat suits if the disease is so innocuous?

I'm not saying they're hiding information, I'm pointing out the obvious, they, like us, don't know the extent of this diseases ability to transmit itself.

Your first claim that they "Just don't know" is nonsense. Like plenty of other viruses, we don't have a perfect cure, because guess what, microbiology is hard! We know what it is, we know how it spreads (Not through the air, as you HAVE claimed), and we're rapidly approaching cures through blood transfusions with survivors. Dude, do a Google search.

http://ebola.emedtv.com/ebola/ebola-research.html
There's a succinct directory of some of the knowledge we have of Ebola. Is all of that "infantile"? If so, point it out.

Why is washing your hands in quotes like the suggestion is silly? Wash your hands dude, there's nothing silly about it. You take soap and hot water, and it washes away all of the bacteria and viruses that are trying to kill you! It's that simple, but no, according to you it's "suicide". Why then is it only spreading in places with no running water or sanitation in general?

And then you want me to "enlighten" you as to why people who work with disease wear hazmat suits. Get ready for it, it's complicated: They wear hazmat suits to keep germs off themselves. I work in a level 1 lab with bacteria that can be found on everyday surfaces and liquids. I wear latex gloves, chemical protective goggles, and a labcoat. We wear that shit not just to keep the germs off, but because the equipment we work with is dangerous: fire from the bunsen burner, hydrochloric acid for certain bacteria stains, dyes that can get in your skin, etc. They don't bust out the hazmat suit and goggles because something is particularly pathogenic, they do it because it's standard procedure.

And finally, you have claimed, several times, that this disease is very easy to catch and that it's just a matter of time before it's sweeping through America. You are the one with infantile knowledge, not the scientists who are actually working with it.

Completion555

Some of the "serious research" Solar asked me to do. I hope it lives up to his posting a bbc article he didn't even read.

Progress on a vaccine: 2-6 years away depending on funding.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-will-we-have-a-vaccine-for-ebola-virus1/

Here's a great example of our "infantile" knowledge of Ebola: we've already sequenced it's genome.
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/40896/title/Ebola-Outbreak-Strains-Sequenced/

Another great example of our ignorance, a whole website dedicated to Ebola science.
http://www.sciencemag.org/site/extra/ebola/

A massive directory of all things Ebola and a whole lot more.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/e/ebola.htm

And an article you should all read, explaining why your panic is silly.
http://www.purdueexponent.org/opinion/article_bb0dc4c2-4d9a-11e4-9e4f-0017a43b2370.html


Solar

Quote from: Completion555 on October 10, 2014, 07:19:25 AM
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This sentence makes no sense.
Makes perfect sense, if you had any.

QuoteYour first claim that they "Just don't know" is nonsense. Like plenty of other viruses, we don't have a perfect cure, because guess what, microbiology is hard! We know what it is, we know how it spreads (Not through the air, as you HAVE claimed), and we're rapidly approaching cures through blood transfusions with survivors. Dude, do a Google search.

http://ebola.emedtv.com/ebola/ebola-research.html
There's a succinct directory of some of the knowledge we have of Ebola. Is all of that "infantile"? If so, point it out.

Why is washing your hands in quotes like the suggestion is silly? Wash your hands dude, there's nothing silly about it. You take soap and hot water, and it washes away all of the bacteria and viruses that are trying to kill you! It's that simple, but no, according to you it's "suicide". Why then is it only spreading in places with no running water or sanitation in general?

And then you want me to "enlighten" you as to why people who work with disease wear hazmat suits. Get ready for it, it's complicated: They wear hazmat suits to keep germs off themselves. I work in a level 1 lab with bacteria that can be found on everyday surfaces and liquids. I wear latex gloves, chemical protective goggles, and a labcoat. We wear that shit not just to keep the germs off, but because the equipment we work with is dangerous: fire from the bunsen burner, hydrochloric acid for certain bacteria stains, dyes that can get in your skin, etc. They don't bust out the hazmat suit and goggles because something is particularly pathogenic, they do it because it's standard procedure.

And finally, you have claimed, several times, that this disease is very easy to catch and that it's just a matter of time before it's sweeping through America. You are the one with infantile knowledge, not the scientists who are actually working with it.
Nice straw man, now address what I wrote.
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Quote from: Solar on October 10, 2014, 08:22:08 AM
Makes perfect sense, if you had any.
Nice straw man, now address what I wrote.

I addressed everything you wrote, what did I miss?

Solar

Quote from: Completion555 on October 10, 2014, 07:52:06 AM
Some of the "serious research" Solar asked me to do. I hope it lives up to his posting a bbc article he didn't even read.

Progress on a vaccine: 2-6 years away depending on funding.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-will-we-have-a-vaccine-for-ebola-virus1/
WOW! How damned gullible are you?
I could claim to find a cure for stupid, if only given enough money.

QuoteHere's a great example of our "infantile" knowledge of Ebola: we've already sequenced it's genome.
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/40896/title/Ebola-Outbreak-Strains-Sequenced/
Which means nothing outside of it being a mutation of other (name escapes me) diseases. They do this with all diseases now.

Quotehttp://www.sciencemag.org/site/extra/ebola/

A massive directory of all things Ebola and a whole lot more.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/e/ebola.htm

And an article you should all read, explaining why your panic is silly.
http://www.purdueexponent.org/opinion/article_bb0dc4c2-4d9a-11e4-9e4f-0017a43b2370.html
Where are you getting this panic Bull Shit? We're merely parroting what WHO is warning, that this has the ability to become a pandemic.
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Quote from: Solar on October 10, 2014, 08:28:03 AM

WOW! How damned gullible are you?
I could claim to find a cure for stupid, if only given enough money.

Do you think research is free? This shit is expensive. And he goes into detail as to what the progress is, what knowledge do you have that actual biologists do not?

QuoteWhich means nothing outside of it being a mutation of other (name escapes me) diseases. They do this with all diseases now.
Where are you getting this panic Bull Shit? We're merely parroting what WHO is warning, that this has the ability to become a pandemic.

So I guess you're giving up on the "infantile understanding" line then, since genetic sequencing is pretty damn complex. The article in question (you ignore the two directories of research papers showing our understanding of Ebola) goes into detail that some genes of Ebola have mutated but they've focused on the static genes. You read these about as well as the article YOU posted.

Your panic is that you have claimed that "It's going to get a lot worse", that it spreads easily, that it's going to become a pandemic in America. I'll say it for what must be the tenth time: Ebola is only a problem in places with poor sanitation. The WHO is saying it may become pandemic in AFRICA, NOT America. You are misrepresenting what they've said.

Completion555

By the way, I'm waiting for you to tell me what my strawman was, I've re-read your post and my response several times and I don't see it. I also don't see what you "actually said" that I didn't address. Maybe my brain is burnt out from doing actual research, could you point out my strawman and what you actually said?

Solar

Quote from: Completion555 on October 10, 2014, 08:37:37 AM
Do you think research is free? This shit is expensive. And he goes into detail as to what the progress is, what knowledge do you have that actual biologists do not?
Do you honestly believe the 2 to 6 year claim? That's quite a window, if one wants to extend that tiime frame beyond 6 years when the time comes.
And no, research can be expensive, but to make claims of a cure are beyond arrogant for any scientist to make.

Just like cancer, they claim all they need is more money, despite the fact cancer research is awash in money, it's now become a business init's own right.

QuoteSo I guess you're giving up on the "infantile understanding" line then, since genetic sequencing is pretty fucking complex. The article in question (you ignore the two directories of research papers showing our understanding of Ebola) goes into detail that some genes of Ebola have mutated but they've focused on the static genes. You read these about as well as the article YOU posted.
Yes, I read it when the news broke, yet you ignore the obvious in RED.

QuoteYour panic is that you have claimed that "It's going to get a lot worse", that it spreads easily, that it's going to become a pandemic in America. I'll say it for what must be the tenth time: Ebola is only a problem in places with poor sanitation. The WHO is saying it may become pandemic in AFRICA, NOT America. You are misrepresenting what they've said.
The WHO is telling the world it has the potential to become a pandemic if we continue down the path we're on.
Have you seen any changes in the Govts pattern in dealing with our wide open borders?
In other words, the Marxist is making it an open invitation to anyone with Obola, to simply make it to the US for treatment, and you don't see an issue with that?
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Quote from: Solar on October 10, 2014, 08:49:34 AM
Do you honestly believe the 2 to 6 year claim? That's quite a window, if one wants to extend that tiime frame beyond 6 years when the time comes.
And no, research can be expensive, but to make claims of a cure are beyond arrogant for any scientist to make.

Just like cancer, they claim all they need is more money, despite the fact cancer research is awash in money, it's now become a business init's own right.
Yes, I read it when the news broke, yet you ignore the obvious in RED.
The WHO is telling the world it has the potential to become a pandemic if we continue down the path we're on.
Have you seen any changes in the Govts pattern in dealing with our wide open borders?
In other words, the Marxist is making it an open invitation to anyone with Obola, to simply make it to the US for treatment, and you don't see an issue with that?

I'm not going to explain cancer to you.

Read the whole sentence that you quote mined the red from. Some genes change, they measured the ones that didn't. This is middle school, dude.

And no, I don't see a problem because we've treated a few people and Ebola isn't rushing through Times Square.

You said I strawmanned you and didn't refute what you actually said. Point out where.

Hector

Why hasn't Ebola completely wiped out all of Africa if it's airborne? What's different this year that all of a sudden "it's going to get a lot worse". I think saying "we don't know if it's airborne or not" is just silly.

Trust me, if Ebola was airborne we would sure as hell realize it pretty quick.