First off I'm new, let me introduce myself, you can call me RedCon or whatever, I am a stubborn and very right wing individual, I am a German-Celtic American, and damn proud of it too. Not too much else to say really. Thank you all for welcoming me here.

Donald Trump, he is pretty conservative, at least conservative enough to get my vote. Yeah, we'd all like to see Ted Cruz win, but he just isn't as aggressive as Donald Trump. In all reality, it's either going to be Jeb Bush (are you kidding me?) or Donald Trump.

They will face Killary Clinton in 2016, she will fight dirty, and I mean dirty. Jeb Bush is wayyyyy to passive. Donald Trump is quick witted, intelligent, and undoubtedly funny. Not to mention he has big bucks. Trump is also well known and liked among independents and conservatives. The other thing I like about him is he is not politically correct at all. Get rid of that PC BS! If anyone can defeat Hillary and beyond, it is Trump.

Jeb Bush isn't bad, he is just really soft spoken and he doesn't have a pair! Plus I don't think I'd ever vote for a Bush, after seeing what George Sr. said in the early 90's about his new world order. New world order is dumb-o-crat issues.

Explain Donald Trump's conservative credentials.

I'll happily explain when I'm off of work, but immigration, anti-establishment, anti-PC, views on gay (fake) marriage, military. That's just to name a few.

Quote from: RedConMan on August 09, 2015, 02:50:46 PM
First off I'm new, let me introduce myself, you can call me RedCon or whatever, I am a stubborn and very right wing individual, I am a German-Celtic American, and damn proud of it too. Not too much else to say really. Thank you all for welcoming me here.

Donald Trump, he is pretty conservative, at least conservative enough to get my vote. Yeah, we'd all like to see Ted Cruz win, but he just isn't as aggressive as Donald Trump. In all reality, it's either going to be Jeb Bush (are you kidding me?) or Donald Trump.

They will face Killary Clinton in 2016, she will fight dirty, and I mean dirty. Jeb Bush is wayyyyy to passive. Donald Trump is quick witted, intelligent, and undoubtedly funny. Not to mention he has big bucks. Trump is also well known and liked among independents and conservatives. The other thing I like about him is he is not politically correct at all. Get rid of that PC BS! If anyone can defeat Hillary and beyond, it is Trump.

Jeb Bush isn't bad, he is just really soft spoken and he doesn't have a pair! Plus I don't think I'd ever vote for a Bush, after seeing what George Sr. said in the early 90's about his new world order. New world order is dumb-o-crat issues.

Oh yeah, welcome to the forum.

Welcome to the forum!

As for Trump I thought at first I could get behind him because illegal immigration is a huge problem in my state.  But Cruz can and will tackle the immigration issue.  Trump isn't Conservative.  All you have to do is go back to 2000 to see what he was saying then.  He advocated single payer health.  He talked about buying and selling politicians.  He talked about rewarding friends.  He has talked about supporting abortion.  He's a favor for favor guy.   Same old, same old.  He's a spoiler.

Good article on how Trump isn't Conservative.  He looks more and more like a joke too.  the way he shouts and cries every time someone challenges him.  Obama is a crier also. whines when you don't love him.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/09/no-donald-trump-is-not-a-true-conservative/

Quote from: carlb on August 09, 2015, 02:53:32 PM
Explain Donald Trump's conservative credentials.

For the most part we are all conservative or conservative leaning...some more than others. We hear all the accusations about Trump.  He's a Liberal, he's a Democrat, he's friends with the Clintons, he's this, he's that.

But if the man keeps his word which I think his ego will almost compel him to do, who cares what he is.

If he does what he says or at least attempts to...what's the issue?  Isn't it results that we want?  Is some professional politician going to actually do what they say?  By definition politics is their career.  I don't care if it's Cruz, Walker, Huckabee, etc.  There's only three in the game for the right reason...Trump, Fiorina and Carson.

Think about it.

Quote from: Dubinsky on August 09, 2015, 05:39:07 PM
For the most part we are all conservative or conservative leaning...some more than others. We hear all the accusations about Trump.  He's a Liberal, he's a Democrat, he's friends with the Clintons, he's this, he's that.

But if the man keeps his word which I think his ego will almost compel him to do, who cares what he is.

If he does what he says or at least attempts to...what's the issue?  Isn't it results that we want?  Is some professional politician going to actually do what they say?  By definition politics is their career.  I don't care if it's Cruz, Walker, Huckabee, etc.  There's only three in the game for the right reason...Trump, Fiorina and Carson.

Think about it.

So what is Cruz's reason for running?

He is the most honorable candidate in the race!

Quote from: mrclose on August 09, 2015, 05:52:30 PM

Great pic, mrclose!  That's my guy!!!   



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Quote from: Dubinsky on August 09, 2015, 05:39:07 PM
For the most part we are all conservative or conservative leaning...some more than others. We hear all the accusations about Trump.  He's a Liberal, he's a Democrat, he's friends with the Clintons, he's this, he's that.

But if the man keeps his word which I think his ego will almost compel him to do, who cares what he is.

If he does what he says or at least attempts to...what's the issue?  Isn't it results that we want?  Is some professional politician going to actually do what they say?  By definition politics is their career.  I don't care if it's Cruz, Walker, Huckabee, etc.  There's only three in the game for the right reason...Trump, Fiorina and Carson.

Think about it.

It goes beyond what he is.  He is a self loving narcissist.  This article is about the comparison of Trump to our now narcissist president Obama.  This is only a part of the article but its worth a good read.  If you want a self absorbed one person government then Trump is probably your candidate.  Another person who only need himself. 

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"I'm really rich." "I'm proud of my net worth." "I've done an amazing job." "I'm really proud of my success. I really am." "I'm not doing that to brag because you know what? I don't have to brag." But he just can't seem to help himself! And so Donald Trump self-adulated himself 257 times in his 45 minute presidential bid announcement speech last month. That even exceeded Obama's 208 self-laudatory references in his 22 minute, 2007 presidential announcement. That's pretty impressive when you can out-"narcissize" the Narcissist In Chief!

But aside from his egocentrism, the most glaring verity related to Trump's presidential bid is that he doesn't belong on the Republican ticket. He clearly is not a conservative, and probably aligns ideologically much more with Bernie Sanders than he does with any of the other 15 candidates on the Republican ticket.

Over the years, Trump has been a proponent for single-payer government funded healthcare, a socialistic step to the left of Obamacare. He's been a supporter of abortion, has advocated an assault weapons ban, and has even floated the idea of forcing the rich to forfeit 14% of their total wealth to reduce the federal debt.

He has donated heavily to Bill and Hillary Clinton's campaigns, and to the Clinton Foundation. And when he married his third wife in 2005, Bill and Hillary were on his guest list. And his financial support for Democrat House and Senate candidates has far eclipsed what he's donated to GOP candidates.

According to public campaign disclosures, 21 of Trump's 30 political donations have gone to liberal Democrats and political action committees. Only seven went to Republicans, and two went to Charlie Crist–who, like Trump, doesn't seem to know which party he belongs to.

And in 2008, he sounded just like every other progressive in the nation, bemoaning George W. Bush's presidency, when Trump alleged: "He was so incompetent, so bad, so evil." Trump went on to call Bush "maybe the worst president in the history of this country."

In light of his possible xenophobic comments regarding illegal aliens, it's ironic what Trump said after the 2012 election. He claimed Republicans would "continue to lose elections if they came across as mean-spirited and unwelcoming to people of color."

Trump's primary function in the Republican presidential primary process seems to be to function as a media lightning rod. Ninety percent of the media coverage on the GOP candidates is on the Donald, which means he's literally sucking the air out of the race of the fifteen other legitimate candidates.

So why is Trump polling so well in these early stages of the presidential sweepstakes? It pains me to say, really. But the only logical explanation is that regrettably, even a fairly significant minority of conservatives can be deceived by the grandiloquence and fierce independence of a self-congratulatory narcissist, in spite of obvious ideological contradictions. A couple of pet issues that resonate with conservatives on a populist level, and a strident, even blunt, speaking style, and too many citizens can temporarily allow emotion to supersede logic.

At least let's hope it's a temporary condition. What a travesty it would be if someone like Trump became the party standard bearer in a year when so many truly qualified conservatives are on the ticket, or worse yet, if he became a third-party candidate who siphoned off enough votes to give the election to the control freak on the Democrat ticket.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/is-donald-trump-just-another-narcissistic-liberal/

Quote from: Dubinsky on August 09, 2015, 05:39:07 PM
For the most part we are all conservative or conservative leaning...some more than others. We hear all the accusations about Trump.  He's a Liberal, he's a Democrat, he's friends with the Clintons, he's this, he's that.

But if the man keeps his word which I think his ego will almost compel him to do, who cares what he is.

If he does what he says or at least attempts to...what's the issue?  Isn't it results that we want?  Is some professional politician going to actually do what they say?  By definition politics is their career.  I don't care if it's Cruz, Walker, Huckabee, etc.  There's only three in the game for the right reason...Trump, Fiorina and Carson.

Think about it.

He's old enough to have this all figured out -- but he hasn't. His ideology ISNT settled. He voted for Obama when the rest of us "little people" saw through the guy. Even if he's moving conservative in his old age, HE ISNT THERE YET. And frankly, I can see that he doesn't rely believe the things he says on several issues. They're not part of his core. Glenn Beck would ask, "what was your tipping point that caused you to change your foundational beliefs on this issue?". He can't answer that question, because he hasnt made a fundamental change.

So YOU think about it.

Quote from: carlb on August 09, 2015, 06:06:51 PM
He's old enough to have this all figured out -- but he hasn't. His ideology ISNT settled. He voted for Obama when the rest of us "little people" saw through the guy. Even if he's moving conservative in his old age, HE ISNT THERE YET. And frankly, I can see that he doesn't rely believe the things he says on several issues. They're not part of his core. Glenn Beck would ask, "what was your tipping point that caused you to change your foundational beliefs on this issue?". He can't answer that question, because he hasnt made a fundamental change.

So YOU think about it.

Exactly.  He is dangerous.  People relate to the illegal immigration problem.  I think that is the only reason why he has stayed up in the polls.  You have to look at the entire package and it stinks.

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 09, 2015, 06:26:17 PM
Exactly.  He is dangerous.  People relate to the illegal immigration problem.  I think that is the only reason why he has stayed up in the polls.  You have to look at the entire package and it stinks.

Another reason Ted Cruz is the ONLY first choice. He's the only candidate who has been stable on ILLEGAL immigration. I'm OK with Carly's position too, but all others have recently changed, or change their message depending on which crowd they're talking too. Cruz is the only stable ADULT. Fortunately, Jeb will fizzle out, and so will Trump. Christie will go nowhere. What's left, are the more conservative. Hopefully, Cruz will be the last man standing.

Welcome to the forum, funny things can happen on the way over here...

Several of the candidates sound good, so far the field is quite broad, we have lots of time, and the debate wasn't - what is was... is slowly coming out.  Entertainment - that's about it.   I even popped a big bowl and will admit, when Christy and Rand were going at it, I was stuffing my face like a squirrel.

This is probably going to sound harsh, but Trump gives me queasy feelings ... like some of the WW2 history stuff I've been watching / studying.  I am fascinated with understanding WHAT / WHY people did leading up to WW1 & WW2 in Europe.
My best man's mother grew up under Adolf Hitler, and was still singing his praises in 1980.  He gave her trains that ran on time, put the country to work, put food on the table and most of all, restored the national pride of the German people.  I'll bet  Germans mostly liked Hitler ... but, probably were a little hesitant to embrace the off-the-wall stuff - but, hey!  the economy SUCKS, inflation was eating up everything - and worst of all, those idiots surrendered and that darn treaty was RUINING the country!!   Here's my friend's mom, decades after the war, pictures of atrocities... she couldn't bring herself to believe Hitler had any evil intentions, he was the man of the people, and he made her feel good and proud to be a German.

WHO is Donald Trump?  What is he capable of doing if elected?  Would he go after his political enemies, first, and then turn his attention to the next group that disagrees with his real agenda (which maybe quite fluid).  Is he easily influenced on issues he doesn't personally care about, just what is this guy's CORE of belief?  What / Who / Where has been his Rudder, is it just money (all these years)?  What Donald is saying appeals to ME, my PRIDE, gives me HOPE, and I love to see someone go after the ESTABLISHMENT GOP (and Media) - we're all frustrated, pissed off and tired of the good-ole-boy network in Washington DC.   So, I like what Donald is saying, but, the last Bush sounded pretty good too!
The GOP establishment & News Media ought to leave Donald Trump ALONE instead of trying to force the issue(s) - he's a rich man with alot of money (money doesn't talk, it commands).   Time is on our side & there is too much we don't know about all the candidates.

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 09, 2015, 06:26:17 PM
Exactly.  He is dangerous.  People relate to the illegal immigration problem.  I think that is the only reason why he has stayed up in the polls.  You have to look at the entire package and it stinks.

Jeb would agree.

http://libertynews.com/2015/08/political-bombshell-report-says-bill-clinton-called-jeb-bush-before-debate-and-assured-him-the-trump-thing-will-be-taken-care-of/

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 09, 2015, 05:28:17 PM
Welcome to the forum!

As for Trump I thought at first I could get behind him because illegal immigration is a huge problem in my state.  But Cruz can and will tackle the immigration issue.  Trump isn't Conservative.  All you have to do is go back to 2000 to see what he was saying then.  He advocated single payer health.  He talked about buying and selling politicians.  He talked about rewarding friends.  He has talked about supporting abortion.  He's a favor for favor guy.   Same old, same old.  He's a spoiler.

Good article on how Trump isn't Conservative.  He looks more and more like a joke too.  the way he shouts and cries every time someone challenges him.  Obama is a crier also. whines when you don't love him.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/09/no-donald-trump-is-not-a-true-conservative/

Sadly, I think the guy has a lot to learn, but he came to the right forum to get started.