Quote from: kroz on August 10, 2015, 05:36:16 AM
Public wrath has never been a deterrent for Obama and unlikely to phase Trump either.  People with this sized egos are in their own world.

I think the old...... "that person cannot win" hit job has been proven wrong over and over again.  People fail to remember how many winners were first deemed incapable of winning!  It is a lame attempt to undermine a legitimate candidacy.  Most of us have grown older and wiser..

I am sincerely honest when I say all candidates are still on the table and it's way too soon for me to pick a horse in the race and I personally feel it should be that way for others if you want the best candidate.

Only one that I will NEVER under any circumstance pull the lever for is Jeb.  I have my reasons which are the same ones others have and I don't like that FOX News is in the bag for him.  If ever there was a blatant RINO and panderer, Jeb is it.  He has no redeeming qualities.  He even looks weak.  You think Putin or anyone would take him seriously.  He looks like an old school marm and a "fancy" mama's boy. 

I don't care what he did in Florida he's NOT getting my vote, PERIOD! 

Quote from: Mountainshield on August 10, 2015, 05:42:04 AM
Trump is a populist, which is what democracy want but problem is populist never deliver. Just like Obama, remember Obama did a 180 on many  issues after the election. Why would you trust Trump more? Just because he is telling what you want to hear?

I agree Cruz needs to get tougher, but at least he has integrity which America needs more than populist statement and empty promises which is all Trump can give and after the election it is too late.

Cruz must walk a tight line during the primary season.   Yes, getting stronger would help him with the base and possibly deliver the nomination.  However, Hillary's war chest would go after those tough talking moments in the general election.

I think Ted wisely discerns that this is a "process" for him.  He has definitely improved his poll standings with the first debate.  The next debate will probably give Ted more opportunities to climb in the polls.  He is trying to do this the old fashioned way.... earn it!

Chris Wallace made a post debate comment about how well Ted's time was utilized during the debate.  He was amazed at the precision of Cruz's delivery.  Wallace said that it was apparent that Cruz was a very skilled debater.  However, this wasn't really a "debate".... as others have already pointed out.  It was more like an interview of each candidate.  They were kept on short reins.  I hope we are able to see more candidate interaction during the next debate.  Cruz will shine in that type of forum.

Wallace also said that Ted asked the moderators for more air time during the commercial break.

Quote from: Dubinsky on August 10, 2015, 05:53:25 AM
I am sincerely honest when I say all candidates are still on the table and it's way too soon for me to pick a horse in the race and I personally feel it should be that way for others if you want the best candidate.

Only one that I will NEVER under any circumstance pull the lever for is Jeb.  I have my reasons which are the same ones others have and I don't like that FOX News is in the bag for him.  If ever there was a blatant RINO and panderer, Jeb is it.  He has no redeeming qualities.  He even looks weak.  You think Putin or anyone would take him seriously.  He looks like an old school marm and a "fancy" mama's boy. 

I don't care what he did in Florida he's NOT getting my vote, PERIOD!

Nor mine!

Quote from: Dubinsky on August 10, 2015, 05:53:25 AM
I am sincerely honest when I say all candidates are still on the table and it's way too soon for me to pick a horse in the race and I personally feel it should be that way for others if you want the best candidate.

Only one that I will NEVER under any circumstance pull the lever for is Jeb.  I have my reasons which are the same ones others have and I don't like that FOX News is in the bag for him.  If ever there was a blatant RINO and panderer, Jeb is it.  He has no redeeming qualities.  He even looks weak.  You think Putin or anyone would take him seriously.  He looks like an old school marm and a "fancy" mama's boy. 

I don't care what he did in Florida he's NOT getting my vote, PERIOD! 

At least his brother was a pilot like his father before him.

The media called their father a weakling too, despite flying combat missions in ww2. Would like to see them say it to his face though.

Trump is entertainment, I'll be the first to admit that I tuned in the debates in part to see the monkey with the funny hair throw handfulls of poop, I was not disappointed, Trump had me laughing like a hysterical 18 year old. Unfortunately, the next president needs to be be somebody who can DO or UNDO rather than just call people idiots or stupid. While I have always said that I want to see a BUSINESSMAN run the country I don't think Trump is the guy to do it.

what you got with Trump is an entertaining guy who LOTS OF PEOPLE like because of his persona, which in part is his "movie star' quality. He appeals to the low information voter, the people who watch the Kardashians, Follow Paris Hilton and are up on the latest from Hollywood. Lots of these people are likely Democrats. I've been in third world countries where they elect movie stars and (in the Philippines) they want to elect an illiterate lightweight boxer named Manny Pacquiao as President. You wonder why Third world nations are so totally Fkd up? Thats one reason. THESE PEOPLE BUY THE VOTES to stay in office. Make no mistake about it, TRUMP, who admitted he buys and sells politicians will BUY the votes if necessary. JUST LIKE HILLARY.

Yeah he talks on some conservative issues such as Immigration and the economy....but is he really a conservative? I doubt it.  He is a capitalist, first and foremost. SO ARE A LOT OF DEMS, even the ones who espouse socialism...thats for you and me...not for them. At least trumpp is open about it.

A last thought and I'll shut up, I doubt the Donald is working for the CLintons, what would they offer to him? Money? Nah, he made his fortune three times over before we ever heard of the CLintons, I would bet that Trump could buy the CLintons rather than the other way around. I think his ego is what is motivating him to Run for President, he is used to being top dog. Maybe he feels betrayed by the Dems or by CLintons, his former friends, or perhaps he has a personal score against Obamao who may have snubbed him in some way. Whatever the reason, people with ego's like the Trump man don't get puppetized even by the most powerful.

Quote from: Mountainshield on August 10, 2015, 05:59:51 AM
At least his brother was a pilot like his father before him.

The media called their father a weakling too, despite flying combat missions in ww2. Would like to see them say it to his face though.

Here's my take and again it's just my opinion.  Jeb represents the very thing we complain about..He's just another RINO and is 4-8 years of wishy-washy leadership and caving to the opposition with the excuse that we need to compromise to get anything done.

Quote from: RedConMan on August 10, 2015, 12:11:17 AM
Let me start off by saying I was raised Red, Tea Party beliefs are weaved into who I am.

OK, and I'll take the time to elucidate and steer you back on the right track. Deal?

Donald Trump said he's evolved over the years, and to be fair, the democrat party was different in the early 2000's and before that, then what it is now.
The only difference between then and now, is that under Newt, the moderate Dims jumped ship to the GOP, in turn watering it down further. They left because the Marxist element that existed in the party was larger than the moderate movement.
So yes, the party has for decades, long before 2000, been rooted in Marxist ideals, at least the 60s, and back definitely in the 40s.

QuoteDonald Trump seems to be really honest, they ask him a question, he'll answer it in an honest way, as most of his counterparts will kinda go around it, if you will. Don't forget Ronald Reagen was a democrat for many years, then became a Republican. If you are worried about him being a Democratic mole, or a RINO, I'd say that'd be Chris Christie.

As recently as 2006-7, Trump called himself a Democrat. He supported liberal causes like abortion, universal health care, and higher taxes on the rich. Moreover, he contributed thousands of dollars to Democrats including Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer, and Reid

QuoteDonald Trump is a conservative through and through, and he changed like good old Ronald did. Don't forget he's from New York which is almost exclusively democrat, he's aged and seen the other side of the argument.

You claim to be Conservative, claim you've always been that way, right?
Could you simply stop being a Conservative and become a Marxist?
Of course you couldn't, you have values, (I assume), which is why Reagan didn't leave the Dim party, they left him, and Trump's claim of becoming a Conservative is a lie any true Conservative would recognize as the scam it is.

QuoteTo the fella who wanted to know how Trump is conservative, http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

So? This is supposed to convince true Conservatives that he changed? Geeez, how stupid do you think we are?
Obviously you never read any posts on this forum before you joined. Which raises even more questions.

QuoteHe has more middle views on a few things, but I can agree on most issues.

Translation: RINO views.

QuoteIssues aren't everything, I also like him for his attitude. When he speaks, I feel like he's saying what lots of us are afraid to say.

Therein lies the problem, you "FEEL". knock that shit off, elections are not about "Feelings", they're about critical thought, use it!

QuoteI'm not afraid to say anything, I got the first amendment protecting me and a big mouth.

What in the Hell is that supposed to mean? You think you have some silly right to be heard?
I have news for ya, you're not only wrong, but flat out ignorant of our Bill of Rights and what, why and how they exist, for whom.

QuoteCruz was my favorite before Trump joined in. I like Cruz and if he can get an aggressive attitude, I think he has a chance against Killary. My Dad told me "The nice guy finishes last". I'm not an arsehole to people, but I'll take lead and stand my ground when needed. I also like Rand Paul.

People like you got the Marxist elected, they had no values either, went with how a candidate made them "Feel".

QuoteI think I should explain why I hate on Jeb Bush so much, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g. That, and I also strongly disagree with common core, and not to mention he has no energy.

Seriously, you "Felt" you needed to explain why you don't like a liberal? And one of the reasons was, he doesn't make you "Feel" emboldened?

Look, I don't know what your reasons are for joining here, but one would suspect you're working for the leftists or Trump, either way, your pleas for a Trump win fall on deaf ears.
We all appreciate what Trump is doing by focusing on the issue of illegals, but like a rodeo clown, he's only the entertainment till the real show begins Nov 4th 2016.

Quote from: RedConMan on August 10, 2015, 12:11:17 AM
Let me start off by saying I was raised Red, Tea Party beliefs are weaved into who I am.

Donald Trump said he's evolved over the years, and to be fair, the democrat party was different in the early 2000's and before that, then what it is now. Donald Trump seems to be really honest, they ask him a question, he'll answer it in an honest way, as most of his counterparts will kinda go around it, if you will. Don't forget Ronald Reagen was a democrat for many years, then became a Republican. If you are worried about him being a Democratic mole, or a RINO, I'd say that'd be Chris Christie.

Donald Trump is a conservative through and through, and he changed like good old Ronald did. Don't forget he's from New York which is almost exclusively democrat, he's aged and seen the other side of the argument.

To the fella who wanted to know how Trump is conservative, http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

He has more middle views on a few things, but I can agree on most issues. Issues aren't everything, I also like him for his attitude. When he speaks, I feel like he's saying what lots of us are afraid to say. I'm not afraid to say anything, I got the first amendment protecting me and a big mouth.

Cruz was my favorite before Trump joined in. I like Cruz and if he can get an aggressive attitude, I think he has a chance against Killary. My Dad told me "The nice guy finishes last". I'm not an arsehole to people, but I'll take lead and stand my ground when needed. I also like Rand Paul.

I think I should explain why I hate on Jeb Bush so much, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g. That, and I also strongly disagree with common core, and not to mention he has no energy.

Reagan didn't leave the Democrat party.

"I didn't leave the Democratic party, the Democratic Party left me."


― Ronald Reagan

Quote from: Harry on August 10, 2015, 10:11:27 AM
Reagan didn't leave the Democrat party.

"I didn't leave the Democratic party, the Democratic Party left me."


― Ronald Reagan

There was a time when the Democrats were mainstream middle America, decent, moral, hard working and upright, I would say that most Dems in my Father's & Mother's era were likely more conservative than most of todays so called conservatives.

Ronnie was absolutely correct, the Dems got infilrated by the radical left in the late 60's and went to the dark side.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 10, 2015, 10:15:37 AM
There was a time when the Democrats were mainstream middle America, decent, moral, hard working and upright, I would say that most Dems in my Father's & Mother's era were likely more conservative than most of todays so called conservatives.

Ronnie was absolutely correct, the Dems got infilrated by the radical left in the late 60's and went to the dark side.

Yup.

Quote from: Harry on August 10, 2015, 10:11:27 AM
Reagan didn't leave the Democrat party.

"I didn't leave the Democratic party, the Democratic Party left me."


― Ronald Reagan

Yup, and the Republican Party left me!

That is why I simply call myself a Conservative.  No Party label fits.

Quote from: kroz on August 10, 2015, 12:55:57 PM
Yup, and the Republican Party left me!

That is why I simply call myself a Conservative.  No Party label fits.

BINGO!!!

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 10, 2015, 06:05:37 AM
Trump is entertainment, I'll be the first to admit that I tuned in the debates in part to see the monkey with the funny hair throw handfulls of poop, I was not disappointed, Trump had me laughing like a hysterical 18 year old.

Ditto - I popped a big bowl of popcorn  and listened in (We don't have a TV), Donald was the life of the party, Christy was the backup.  My dogs started barking and howling when Christy went after Paul...

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 10, 2015, 06:05:37 AM
....  While I have always said that I want to see a BUSINESSMAN run the country I don't think Trump is the guy to do it.

what you got with Trump is an entertaining guy who LOTS OF PEOPLE like because of his persona, which in part is his "movie star' quality. 

The appeal is verbalizing people's frustrations in simple, easily digestible terms, screw the details. 

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 10, 2015, 06:05:37 AM
He appeals to the low information voter, the people who watch the Kardashians, Follow Paris Hilton and are up on the latest from Hollywood. Lots of these people are likely Democrats. I've been in third world countries where they elect movie stars and (in the Philippines) they want to elect an illiterate lightweight boxer named Manny Pacquiao as President.

Insert the name Jessie Ventura, for an Americanized version.      I can't see anything likable about that dufus, talked like a dufus, and won the hearts of the dufuses in MinneSOOOODAH.     (insert a "dumb-happy" face!)

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 10, 2015, 06:05:37 AM
... THESE PEOPLE BUY THE VOTES to stay in office. Make no mistake about it, TRUMP, who admitted he buys and sells politicians will BUY the votes if necessary. JUST LIKE HILLARY. 

Ding-ding-ding!   Bingo!
If the establishment GOP & Media would shut up, Trump would be burning through his own cash, digging his own hole, and maybe people would start writing him off.  Unfortunately, he's got a pile of it (or... does he?...hmmmm), and he'd eventually get to the point my empire is fading, quite throwing good $ after bad $.   Twisted as it sounds, Donald Trump is getting a free ride, leveraging his popularity, tempting the establishment GOP with a 3rd party run, and probably hasn't spent a dime of his own cash.

Trump is not stupid, he hasn't begun to leverage his assets to win... but I think the business man in him would tell him, "...hey, stupid, you wanna die broke trying to win this thing?" (and he will invent a plausible reason to drop out)

We have a l-o-n-g way to go.

Quote from: kj4adn on August 10, 2015, 03:21:06 PM
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Insert the name Jessie Ventura, for an Americanized version.      I can't see anything likable about that dufus, talked like a dufus, and won the hearts of the dufuses in MinneSOOOODAH.     (insert a "dumb-happy" face!)

jesse Ventura is completely out of his mind, I think the steroids he took and the pot he smoke snapped his last brain cell and he went completely over the edge. Ventura was a "Truther" who thinks Bush the 2nd authored 911..I think he won Minnesota as a Libertarian....I catagorize LIBERAL-Tarians as just that....Liberals who beleive in smaller Govt. I throw Rand Paul into that mix as well.

Jesse has been singing Bernie Sanders' praises lately....shows you where his head is.

Quote from: supsalemgr on August 10, 2015, 04:51:55 AM
Welcome to the forum.

I am still waiting on some specifics from Trump. What he says he is for sounds good, but it is utopia without specifics. One example of this is his statement that he will build a wall and Mexico will pay for it. He has never answered how he would do that.

He can use tax money, and I'd happily donate for that wall to be built.