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Re: Why We Keep Winning
« Reply #60 on: November 03, 2018, 02:56:45 AM »
We're a long way from even attempting to discuss "HOW" we might accomplish anything at all.
I would hope we could first identify clearly, in a more or less unanimous way, what we would like to accomplish and then move on by identifying various methods and means by which such changes could presented to others increasing the momentum.
Actually, the amendments I have for years been bringing up as needing to be repealed are the 16th and 17th, and only recently have added the 14th amendment because of our immigration issues.he thing about elections is
That those who supported the winning candidate quite often did so for greatly varying reasons, which regardless of the voter margin do not provide a mandate for change on any one issue. I, for example, would have voted for the Republican candidate no matter who it was, or what their agenda was, simply because I knew none of the third party candidates regardless of their agenda being more acceptable to me had any chance at all to win the election and the least desirable outcome would have been for Hillary Clinton to win, or any other Democrat had she lost the primary.
For me the most important issue to resolve is for the people and the States to retake control of our Federal government, reducing its size and scope, where our representatives are made subservient to their constituents who by number of votes have put them in the position they hold rather than the amount of dollars a few large donors had made to their campaigns.
If you feel I'm wasting time, yours or mine, by attempting to begin a rational discussion to achieve a growing consensus to bring about change, say so and I will again leave this forum in peace contented by the assumption that those who claim to be conservative here will at least support conservative views going forward.
As I'm likely much older than most, if not all, of those posting here I can only hope that the year 1913 will not be forgotten as issues we currently are dealing with reach a crisis point sometime in the future.
Since Reagan, I have voted for who I want in the primaries and then voted against someone in the general election. If we want to see change in how the government is run start small like a balanced budget amendment. If government can not get spending under control it does not matter how taxes are collected, we know who will be paying them.  Agree whole heartedly with giving power back to states, what to see states run better, make sure there is never a bail out, give them a right to fail. (be a good example for the rest of them0

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Re: Why We Keep Winning
« Reply #61 on: November 03, 2018, 05:31:38 AM »
We're a long way from even attempting to discuss "HOW" we might accomplish anything at all.
I would hope we could first identify clearly, in a more or less unanimous way, what we would like to accomplish and then move on by identifying various methods and means by which such changes could presented to others increasing the momentum.
Look, you were the one that derailed the thread with this nonsense and now you backpedal and tell me you want to discuss "HOW" we might accomplish it?
I told you how we can do it, and for some reason you claim cultural shock is better via amending the Constitution, which I say is not only a way of killing our movement, but a nonstarter because with the current climate and the Congress we have currently, you would kill the momentum TEA has built towards seizing Congress because the rest of the country would view such changes as radical.
This is why you need to first change the culture, "Baby Steps".

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Actually, the amendments I have for years been bringing up as needing to be repealed are the 16th and 17th, and only recently have added the 14th amendment because of our immigration issues.
The thing about elections is that those who supported the winning candidate quite often did so for greatly varying reasons, which regardless of the voter margin do not provide a mandate for change on any one issue.

Aww Jeez, this has been my point to you the entire time, that there are baby steps involved when making cultural change, and now you want to eliminate the Right for Blacks to vote?
You do realize, that's how this is going to be spun, right?

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I, for example, would have voted for the Republican candidate no matter who it was, or what their agenda was, simply because I knew none of the third party candidates regardless of their agenda being more acceptable to me had any chance at all to win the election and the least desirable outcome would have been for Hillary Clinton to win, or any other Democrat had she lost the primary.
Not I, but that's another subject altogether.

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For me the most important issue to resolve is for the people and the States to retake control of our Federal government, reducing its size and scope, where our representatives are made subservient to their constituents who by number of votes have put them in the position they hold rather than the amount of dollars a few large donors had made to their campaigns.

Have you even been reading what I write?

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If you feel I'm wasting time, yours or mine, by attempting to begin a rational discussion to achieve a growing consensus to bring about change, say so and I will again leave this forum in peace contented by the assumption that those who claim to be conservative here will at least support conservative views going forward.

It's not that you are wasting time, I think you are still stuck on "Paulbot" mode and need to come back to reality. After all I've written and explained, you now suddenly claim my points have been yours all along?

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As I'm likely much older than most, if not all, of those posting here I can only hope that the year 1913 will not be forgotten as issues we currently are dealing with reach a crisis point sometime in the future.
Are you under the illusion we're all young whipper snappers? Hell, a few are pushing the century mark, while the majority hovers in their 70s and 80s, which explains the collective wisdom rooted in this forum, and yes, we have Millennial's as well that get it.
But if you're older than that, well, that might explain a lot about comprehension, and no, I'm not insulting you, just pointing out the fact that you fail to make your case, all the while somehow claiming I'm wrong yet repeating my words as if you own them.

We can both agree that the only way change is going to take place, is if we purge leftist from the GOP, the Dim party is irrelevant at this point and our main focus should be to steal the GOP and make it our own.
You may want to read through this forums older posts to get an idea of who we are, we are in no way Republicans, we are TEA, small govt Conservatives Hell bent on returning this Nation to its Founding Ideals in a way that brings the majority along.
We also have another site of original works called conservativehardliner.com that has some articles we've written on the subject.
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Re: Why We Keep Winning
« Reply #62 on: November 03, 2018, 05:40:37 AM »
Since Reagan, I have voted for who I want in the primaries and then voted against someone in the general election. If we want to see change in how the government is run start small like a balanced budget amendment. If government can not get spending under control it does not matter how taxes are collected, we know who will be paying them.  Agree whole heartedly with giving power back to states, what to see states run better, make sure there is never a bail out, give them a right to fail. (be a good example for the rest of them0
Pretty much the same for me, along with Reagan, Eisenhower was a President who had my full support before, during, and after the election.
It would be much easier to balance the Federal budget by eliminating it from being a funding source for State spending primarily for the direct benefit of citizens and other inhabitants of individual States. By eliminating Federal pork from the budget process, States could then be allowed to borrow in times of need, with repayment mandatory over a fixed time period along with a low interest rate slightly greater than the annual inflation rate. State and local governments would be made the primary source for citizens of each State to air their grievances, if any, for prompt attention in resolving any/all issues within their State. States could look at each other to see if another State has found a way to resolve a similar issue and copy what works best with modification if found necessary.

But that's just my opinion.

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Re: Why We Keep Winning
« Reply #63 on: November 03, 2018, 07:45:50 AM »
Just realized that my list of good presidents has an interesting tie - in :

Washington - Rev War
Lincoln - Civil War
Ike - WW2
Reagan - Cold War
Trump - Obama / Clinton final putsch to end America

verrrry interesting .......

Nice observation - I'm too historically illiterate to have every put that realization together. Thank you!

I agree - very interesting. I don't think most (even Conservatives) think / realize that what BO was working toward was as serious a threat to our country as these major wars. Trump has the lead during the "Globalist War" that BO was leading. As you said, akin to the Civil War but without the outright killing; the deaths are just deferred for when the Marxists would take control. It's more akin to the Bolshevik revolution except in this case, BO was leading it; maybe more like when Lenin came to power analogous to when BO came to power. Fortunately, our constitution held and we voted BO / HiLIARy out ... but it took a miracle. 

That last election was truly a miracle (supernatural) from my viewpoint. I still can't believe Hilliary lost ... nor can she . And I still can't believe that Trump has done as much good as he has. Although I also can't believe that the Pubs haven't gotten their act more together ... Solar blames the RINOs and I'm not so sure that's enough to explain congresses paralysis. Hoping we'll find out next year.

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Re: Why We Keep Winning
« Reply #64 on: November 03, 2018, 08:21:48 AM »
I'm going to give another opinion.  It seems to be the belief here and other conservative groups that liberalism and socialism come from envy and jealously.  Maybe for some that is true but I think socialism and liberalism come from something else and that is despair.  Look at Obama.  His speeches are about hope.  What he does is he appeals not to their envy or the disdain that someone has something you don't have but he appeals to people's despair.  The people who went for Obama don't believe they can even succeed at all.  Socialism and liberalism that he and others promise gives people who vote for him and them hope.  The people he and socialists appeal to are those without hope at all and Obama promises them a new tomorrow and a better life.

We all are motivated by hope. Or maybe more importantly, we all seek to avoid lack of hope - which I think defines despair. My view is that true faith establishes stable hope (living water as is said) ... versus hope driven by circumstance. Solar's convinced me not to mix specifics of my faith on this part of the forum, so I'll just leave that thought there.

But I believe that demonstrated and consistent models establish how we react to despair. That's a part of why good, stable, and even generational families are so important. And why the attack on the family matters so much.

Two examples that illustrate the impact of demonstrated models:

1) I worked with a kid who grew up in a poor area. He was good at football and not so good at learning. A full-ride to a college but he couldn't cut the new culture. He went back and was more comfortable leading a life on welfare than finding an alternative. I even invited him to live with me to find a way out without living in the mire ... but he refused. It freaked him out. The examples he knew were from that culture.

2) I grew up in a middle class family - father worked hard, hardly ever home, meager wage. He fought to put food on the table ... and to own a table. He didn't put any words or money into my transition into adulthood (working life) ... didn't believe college mattered (in the 80's). I finished high school, started college, and  dropped out. A couple years later, ended up living in an abandoned farm house with a friend ... it had no heat. Then I woke up. Fought my way back working got into college, graduated, and got a job. My life is now comfortable and stable - and I've built that into my kids and am building it into my grandchildren. Also into the community when / if the community is interested ... that's another problem.

Here's the point. Both the people in the stories basically were impoverished and at a point of despair ... needed to find a way back to hope. And we both followed the models we grew up in. The young man I knew went back to what he grew up in and lived in that culture - government welfare to make the basics. I went back to my father's work ethic and pulled hard in that culture.

Where we grow up is pretty fundamental to how we pursue hope from despair.

And so, to me your post might not emphasize the main point. People can be manipulated by rhetoric toward hope that is based in their culture - both dims and pubs. As some have pointed out in other posts, it might take generations for someone in an impoverished culture to realize a way out. Some do swim upstream, but it's rare. Those rare cases have learned to think for themselves - beyond where they grew up and what they have experienced there. All others depend on slow culture changes to evolve.





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Re: Why We Keep Winning
« Reply #65 on: November 03, 2018, 08:26:54 AM »
Look, you were the one that derailed the thread with this nonsense and now you backpedal and tell me you want to discuss "HOW" we might accomplish it?
I told you how we can do it, and for some reason you claim cultural shock is better via amending the Constitution, which I say is not only a way of killing our movement, but a nonstarter because with the current climate and the Congress we have currently, you would kill the momentum TEA has built towards seizing Congress because the rest of the country would view such changes as radical.
This is why you need to first change the culture, "Baby Steps".

Aww Jeez, this has been my point to you the entire time, that there are baby steps involved when making cultural change, and now you want to eliminate the Right for Blacks to vote?
You do realize, that's how this is going to be spun, right?
Not I, but that's another subject altogether.

Have you even been reading what I write?

It's not that you are wasting time, I think you are still stuck on "Paulbot" mode and need to come back to reality. After all I've written and explained, you now suddenly claim my points have been yours all along?
Are you under the illusion we're all young whipper snappers? Hell, a few are pushing the century mark, while the majority hovers in their 70s and 80s, which explains the collective wisdom rooted in this forum, and yes, we have Millennial's as well that get it.
But if you're older than that, well, that might explain a lot about comprehension, and no, I'm not insulting you, just pointing out the fact that you fail to make your case, all the while somehow claiming I'm wrong yet repeating my words as if you own them.

We can both agree that the only way change is going to take place, is if we purge leftist from the GOP, the Dim party is irrelevant at this point and our main focus should be to steal the GOP and make it our own.
You may want to read through this forums older posts to get an idea of who we are, we are in no way Republicans, we are TEA, small govt Conservatives Hell bent on returning this Nation to its Founding Ideals in a way that brings the majority along.
We also have another site of original works called conservativehardliner.com that has some articles we've written on the subject.

Well, forgive me for "derailing" this thread.
I'll not intrude any further, allowing you to celebrate all the proclaimed winnings.


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Re: Why We Keep Winning
« Reply #66 on: November 03, 2018, 08:27:42 AM »
Nice observation - I'm too historically illiterate to have every put that realization together. Thank you!

I agree - very interesting. I don't think most (even Conservatives) think / realize that what BO was working toward was as serious a threat to our country as these major wars. Trump has the lead during the "Globalist War" that BO was leading. As you said, akin to the Civil War but without the outright killing; the deaths are just deferred for when the Marxists would take control. It's more akin to the Bolshevik revolution except in this case, BO was leading it; maybe more like when Lenin came to power analogous to when BO came to power. Fortunately, our constitution held and we voted BO / HiLIARy out ... but it took a miracle. 

That last election was truly a miracle (supernatural) from my viewpoint. I still can't believe Hilliary lost ... nor can she . And I still can't believe that Trump has done as much good as he has. Although I also can't believe that the Pubs haven't gotten their act more together ... Solar blames the RINOs and I'm not so sure that's enough to explain congresses paralysis. Hoping we'll find out next year.
RINO is just a descriptor for leftist thief, these people care nothing about the country, culture and least of all, the people who put them in office. And yes, most of these scum are leftist plants by their leftist corporate supporters looking to change the law to benefit foreign interests in the US.
Like I said in the OP, once NAFTA was enacted, the left was free to steal American business and do with it as they pleased all the while hiding under the American flag.
These are the people that saw to it the Establishment GOP support their candidates, or risk losing all the the Dim party.
What the Establishment never expected, was an actual American uprising  against Marxists of all stripes, and yes, these same interests ran the Dim party into the ground and were able to infiltrate the GOP.

This war is simple, yet amazingly complicated because finding the enemy within is a tough battle, but one we're winning. And no, real Conservatives have known since day one what and who Hussein is all because we knew what his benefactors are, Communists.
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