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Title: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: Yawn on November 09, 2012, 02:38:56 PM
My mood has changed every day since America turned out the Light of Freedom. Today, listening to Rush, I said "YEAH!"  I would support and encourage any Republican who did this. I hope they all do. They'll have my support.

Rush says, GIVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY WANT.  Don't vote no or yes, just do an Obama and vote "present."  Boehner may be right this time. Don't agree with them, but don't let them accuse the Repubs of obstruction.  Just vote present.  Let them have their way, and when it collapses (it will anyway) let it be on their heads alone.

I was never there until today. Now I say, "Lets do that. Let the Demonrats govern for 4 years come what will.  The people voted for it. Let them have a belly full."
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: BILLY Defiant on November 09, 2012, 02:43:05 PM
I do agree with Rush on this....I think it's time to teach America a good lesson, time to stick it to the middle class and the lower income folks, let them see what they bought, it might teach them a good lesson... but I doubt it.

Billy
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: kramarat on November 09, 2012, 02:44:24 PM
Quote from: Yawn on November 09, 2012, 02:38:56 PM
My mood has changed every day since America turned out the Light of Freedom. Today, listening to Rush, I said "YEAH!"  I would support and encourage any Republican who did this. I hope they all do. They'll have my support.

Rush says, GIVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY WANT.  Don't vote no or yes, just do an Obama and vote "present."  Boehner may be right this time. Don't agree with them, but don't let them accuse the Repubs of obstruction.  Just vote present.  Let them have their way, and when it collapses (it will anyway) let it be on their heads alone.

I was never there until today. Now I say, "Lets do that. Let the Demonrats govern for 4 years come what will.  The people voted for it. Let them have a belly full."

I agree. According to the voters of the country, republicans just stand in the way and screw things up.

I want Obama to fix things by his own methods. Four years of tax and spend........no republican intervention. They keep telling us that this is the way. Lets see it put to work.

I don't know if he saw it, but I sent this email to Rush yesterday. He was asking why republicans lost.

Here are my thoughts:

It's "easy and free" VS "hard and earned"

People will take the path of least resistance, and the democrats know it. They are taking the same "successful" tactics that have turned our inner cities into slums, and expanding them on a national basis. There is no way that conservatives can win this. Not that I can see anyway.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: Indy on November 09, 2012, 03:14:32 PM
Quote from: kramarat on November 09, 2012, 02:44:24 PM
I agree. According to the voters of the country, republicans just stand in the way and screw things up.

I want Obama to fix things by his own methods. Four years of tax and spend........no republican intervention. They keep telling us that this is the way. Lets see it put to work.

I don't know if he saw it, but I sent this email to Rush yesterday. He was asking why republicans lost.

Here are my thoughts:

It's "easy and free" VS "hard and earned"

People will take the path of least resistance, and the democrats know it. They are taking the same "successful" tactics that have turned our inner cities into slums, and expanding them on a national basis. There is no way that conservatives can win this. Not that I can see anyway.

Yes that, and 3 million republicans stayed home.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: kramarat on November 09, 2012, 03:19:16 PM
Quote from: Indy on November 09, 2012, 03:14:32 PM
Yes that, and 3 million republicans stayed home.

Maybe. I'd really like to know how many voter machine malfunctions there were. They seemed to crop up only in the swing states.

Some republican voters had to re-enter their vote up to 3 times before the machine would accept it and not switch it to Obama.

How many didn't check?
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: Yawn on November 09, 2012, 03:27:41 PM
I lost faith in the voting process after this election.  I don't trust the outcome and it makes ZERO sense.

Romney CONSISTENTLY drew crowds 10 TIME Obama's crowds.  It doesn't make sense without fraud--and we KNOW massive fraud went on.  The question is, was it enough fraud to give the election to the Communist.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 09, 2012, 03:38:57 PM
Quote from: Yawn on November 09, 2012, 02:38:56 PM
My mood has changed every day since America turned out the Light of Freedom. Today, listening to Rush, I said "YEAH!"  I would support and encourage any Republican who did this. I hope they all do. They'll have my support.

Rush says, GIVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY WANT.  Don't vote no or yes, just do an Obama and vote "present."  Boehner may be right this time. Don't agree with them, but don't let them accuse the Repubs of obstruction.  Just vote present.  Let them have their way, and when it collapses (it will anyway) let it be on their heads alone.

I was never there until today. Now I say, "Lets do that. Let the Demonrats govern for 4 years come what will.  The people voted for it. Let them have a belly full."

That is the only way.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: jksr1 on November 09, 2012, 04:49:47 PM
Quote from: Yawn on November 09, 2012, 02:38:56 PM
My mood has changed every day since America turned out the Light of Freedom. Today, listening to Rush, I said "YEAH!"  I would support and encourage any Republican who did this. I hope they all do. They'll have my support.

Rush says, GIVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY WANT.  Don't vote no or yes, just do an Obama and vote "present."  Boehner may be right this time. Don't agree with them, but don't let them accuse the Repubs of obstruction.  Just vote present.  Let them have their way, and when it collapses (it will anyway) let it be on their heads alone.

I was never there until today. Now I say, "Lets do that. Let the Demonrats govern for 4 years come what will.  The people voted for it. Let them have a belly full."
YAWN!!!!  your smarter than that...
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: kramarat on November 09, 2012, 05:18:28 PM
Quote from: jksr1 on November 09, 2012, 04:49:47 PM
       YAWN!!!!  your smarter than that...

Sure thing. The republicans in congress start fighting tooth and nail, writing bills, etc. Everything they do gets shot down by the senate and the president. Obama gets on TV and whines about his great ideas, but the house refuses to cooperate.

Sorry. We've already seen that movie. We got four more years. Time for the democrats to take ownership of the mess that they have created.

We have the executive branch, the house and the senate. Democrats have held a 2/3 or total majority since Nov of 2006. Bush caved to them, which is why he gets much of the blame. At the end of Obama's next term, we will have had a decade of democrat control. Blaming republicans will not be an option.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: JustKari on November 09, 2012, 05:41:28 PM
I would say, sure let them have it.  If it works (lol) then the country is saved.  :lol:  If the country is in the toilet, hopefully we have a candidate by then who can express conservatism in a way that Mitt was incapable of.

My only exception to that would be supreme court nominations.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: valjean on November 09, 2012, 06:38:36 PM
It's a very interesting idea, but I doubt Republicans will just lie down and not oppose the Democrats because this would likely incite Republican challengers in primaries for their positions on account of them not opposing the Obama agenda.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: keyboarder on November 09, 2012, 09:30:48 PM
We just may have witnessed our last election.  Don't see what else the Rep. can do now to right things until another election if there is one.  I think we have just jumped over more than one cliff.  It just remains to be discovered by the left as well.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: jksr1 on November 10, 2012, 03:16:38 AM
Quote from: kramarat on November 09, 2012, 05:18:28 PM
Sure thing. The republicans in congress start fighting tooth and nail, writing bills, etc. Everything they do gets shot down by the senate and the president. Obama gets on TV and whines about his great ideas, but the house refuses to cooperate.

Sorry. We've already seen that movie. We got four more years. Time for the democrats to take ownership of the mess that they have created.

We have the executive branch, the house and the senate. Democrats have held a 2/3 or total majority since Nov of 2006. Bush caved to them, which is why he gets much of the blame. At the end of Obama's next term, we will have had a decade of democrat control. Blaming republicans will not be an option.
Both sides need to stop adding [PORK] keep the bills clean.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: kramarat on November 10, 2012, 03:45:20 AM
Quote from: jksr1 on November 10, 2012, 03:16:38 AM
Both sides need to stop adding [PORK] keep the bills clean.

We need to eliminate the creation of all bills unless they specifically deal with cutting the size of government, debt and deficits.

All bills that include more spending get shredded.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: jksr1 on November 10, 2012, 04:11:33 AM
Quote from: kramarat on November 10, 2012, 03:45:20 AM
We need to eliminate the creation of all bills unless they specifically deal with cutting the size of government, debt and deficits.

All bills that include more spending get shredded.
Little over the top, But a good start.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: kramarat on November 10, 2012, 04:26:13 AM
Quote from: jksr1 on November 10, 2012, 04:11:33 AM
All bills that include more spending get shredded.
Little over the top, But a good start.

If we were to take cutting our military off the table, we could cut the rest of this mess by at least 50%, and nobody would even notice the loss.

http://www.usa.gov/directory/federal/index.shtml (http://www.usa.gov/directory/federal/index.shtml)
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: jksr1 on November 10, 2012, 05:05:05 AM
Quote from: kramarat on November 10, 2012, 04:26:13 AM
If we were to take cutting our military off the table, we could cut the rest of this mess by at least 50%, and nobody would even notice the loss.

http://www.usa.gov/directory/federal/index.shtml (http://www.usa.gov/directory/federal/index.shtml)
Im with you on that, But there is a lot of B.S in the military, The $500 hammer thing has to go............
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: kramarat on November 10, 2012, 05:10:39 AM
Quote from: jksr1 on November 10, 2012, 05:05:05 AM
  Im with you on that, But there is a lot of B.S in the military, The $500 hammer thing has to go............

Well of course. Plenty of cuts can be made, without cutting troop levels or having them properly armed and ready for conflict.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: Solar on November 10, 2012, 05:39:41 AM
Quote from: jksr1 on November 10, 2012, 05:05:05 AM
  Im with you on that, But there is a lot of B.S in the military, The $500 hammer thing has to go............
Do you really think that's isolated to just defense buying?
That is repeated across the board, just wait for when the investigations are complete over the Green energy failure, it'll make that hammer look like a bargain.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: walkstall on November 10, 2012, 08:09:26 AM
Quote from: Solar on November 10, 2012, 05:39:41 AM
Do you really think that's isolated to just defense buying?
That is repeated across the board, just wait for when the investigations are complete over the Green energy failure, it'll make that hammer look like a bargain.

Now you know they will not go there. 
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: Silver Cougar on November 10, 2012, 10:07:45 AM
Quote from: kramarat on November 09, 2012, 03:19:16 PM
Maybe. I'd really like to know how many voter machine malfunctions there were. They seemed to crop up only in the swing states.

Some republican voters had to re-enter their vote up to 3 times before the machine would accept it and not switch it to Obama.

How many didn't check?


I asked the same question, Kramarat, when I heard about the machines Tuesday, and how many didn't review their ballot before pressing the Vote button?  I also wondered if it changed the vote to Obama's name after the Vote button was pressed.
We'll never know!  I know there's no way that there are that many stupid or ignorant people in America, that they would vote for the same thing we have had for 4 years again :thumbdown:

And I heard on Fox Tuesday night before the polls closed, that two people were caught and fired for allowing a big number of illegal voters to vote........although they said they had no idea how many of them had already gone through and voted.   The alert said that one person allowing them to vote was a Rep. and one was a Dem........now does that make sense? 

I am going out on a limb to say that Obama wouldn't have been elected if "FRAUD" hadn't been rampant Tuesday Night and ever sense early voting started.  One lady working for the Dem. was caught filling in some paper ballots.   That was also on Fox.........because I don't watch the other democrat leaning channels.  Unless it was while I was switching to try to find the elections resullts on WSPA for Spartanburg. 
And then learned that Spartanburg was having trouble with their machines also.......like I say.........The Election Of 2012 couldn't have been accurate with all those mistakes
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: Yawn on November 10, 2012, 10:13:16 AM
 :thumbup:

I agree. AGAIN I ask, if Romney CONSISTENTLY drew TEN TIME the numbers Obama did, and ours were voluntary, and Obama's were the unioins and such, HOW could Romney have really lost?  I just wish someone could EXPLAIN his loss.  Makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: kramarat on November 10, 2012, 10:26:51 AM
Quote from: Silver Cougar on November 10, 2012, 10:07:45 AM

I asked the same question, Kramarat, when I heard about the machines Tuesday, and how many didn't review their ballot before pressing the Vote button?  I also wondered if it changed the vote to Obama's name after the Vote button was pressed.
We'll never know!  I know there's no way that there are that many stupid or ignorant people in America, that they would vote for the same thing we have had for 4 years again :thumbdown:

And I heard on Fox Tuesday night before the polls closed, that two people were caught and fired for allowing a big number of illegal voters to vote........although they said they had no idea how many of them had already gone through and voted.   The alert said that one person allowing them to vote was a Rep. and one was a Dem........now does that make sense? 

I am going out on a limb to say that Obama wouldn't have been elected if "FRAUD" hadn't been rampant Tuesday Night and ever sense early voting started.  One lady working for the Dem. was caught filling in some paper ballots.   That was also on Fox.........because I don't watch the other democrat leaning channels.  Unless it was while I was switching to try to find the elections resullts on WSPA for Spartanburg. 
And then learned that Spartanburg was having trouble with their machines also.......like I say.........The Election Of 2012 couldn't have been accurate with all those mistakes

I'm combining this information with the uncannily accurate outcome from the CBS affiliate on Oct 19, before the election.............and I have to ask myself: Could this possibly tie in to Obama's performance in the first debate? He seemed bored. As if he really had no reason to be there.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: Darth Fife on November 10, 2012, 12:32:46 PM
Quote from: Yawn on November 10, 2012, 10:13:16 AM
:thumbup:

I agree. AGAIN I ask, if Romney CONSISTENTLY drew TEN TIME the numbers Obama did, and ours were voluntary, and Obama's were the unioins and such, HOW could Romney have really lost?  I just wish someone could EXPLAIN his loss.  Makes no sense at all.

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything."

-Josef Stalin
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: mdgiles on November 10, 2012, 02:28:58 PM
Quote from: jksr1 on November 10, 2012, 05:05:05 AM
  Im with you on that, But there is a lot of B.S in the military, The $500 hammer thing has to go............
I'm enormously tired of hearing that crap. A screwdriver for use in a B-52 - an aircraft that was flown by the grandfathers of the current pilots - isn't normally found at Home Depot. And the military usually has some pretty stringent specifications for it's equipment, cause you can't pop down to the nearest Ace Hardware for a new set of wrenches in Afghanistan or the middle of the North Atlantic. I remember a Senator Proxmire, he always used to make a big issue of how the military "wasted" money. One time he brought up some stupid study the military wanted to do on "How Societies in the Middle East Were Effected by Their Religious Leaders". But he "saved" us from that "waste". Too bad, with any luck we might have seen the Islamists coming.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: kramarat on November 10, 2012, 02:54:11 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on November 10, 2012, 02:28:58 PM
I'm enormously tired of hearing that crap. A screwdriver for use in a B-52 - an aircraft that was flown by the grandfathers of the current pilots - isn't normally found at Home Depot. And the military usually has some pretty stringent specifications for it's equipment, cause you can't pop down to the nearest Ace Hardware for a new set of wrenches in Afghanistan or the middle of the North Atlantic. I remember a Senator Proxmire, he always used to make a big issue of how the military "wasted" money. One time he brought up some stupid study the military wanted to do on "How Societies in the Middle East Were Effected by Their Religious Leaders". But he "saved" us from that "waste". Too bad, with any luck we might have seen the Islamists coming.

Yeah, but remember Giles, there's no such thing as a $500 hammer. It requires 50 different pieces of paper and 150 civilian government employees to complete the acquisition of a $30 hammer. Many of them are in place to prevent government waste.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: jksr1 on November 10, 2012, 07:31:26 PM
Quote from: kramarat on November 10, 2012, 02:54:11 PM
Yeah, but remember Giles, there's no such thing as a $500 hammer. It requires 50 different pieces of paper and 150 civilian government employees to complete the acquisition of a $30 hammer. Many of them are in place to prevent government waste.
:thumbup: You hit the nail on the head. :lol:
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: kramarat on November 11, 2012, 05:56:12 AM
Quote from: jksr1 on November 10, 2012, 07:31:26 PM
:thumbup: You hit the nail on the head. :lol:

I worked in the main engine room while I was in the Navy. Most of us just brought our own tools and used them. Wrenches, sockets, ratchets, screwdrivers, etc. They worked just fine.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: Sci Fi Fan on November 11, 2012, 10:07:26 AM
YES!

No, please do this.

I swear.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: Solar on November 11, 2012, 03:12:00 PM
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 11, 2012, 10:07:26 AM
YES!

No, please do this.

I swear.
It really isn't a bad idea, we do it with children all the time, let them eat all the candy they want, they quickly learn it wasn't as good as they thought it would be.
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 12:56:18 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 11, 2012, 03:12:00 PM
It really isn't a bad idea, we do it with children all the time, let them eat all the candy they want, they quickly learn it wasn't as good as they thought it would be.

Here's a basic logic question for you:

If you were unable to predict something as simple as a presidential election, what makes you think you can make highly complex economic and social forecasts?
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: JustKari on November 13, 2012, 01:58:03 PM
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 12:56:18 PM
Here's a basic logic question for you:

If you were unable to predict something as simple as a presidential election, what makes you think you can make highly complex economic and social forecasts?

Let me ask you this, if the election was so simple to predict, why do you keep bringing up Nate Silver?
Title: Re: Do You Support Rush on This?
Post by: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 03:48:46 PM
Quote from: JustKari on November 13, 2012, 01:58:03 PM
Let me ask you this, if the election was so simple to predict, why do you keep bringing up Nate Silver?

Simple from a relative standpoint.  I don't have the time to do poll analysis myself, but it's well within my capabilities (although not to Silver's level).  Others decided to mock Silver and go with their own statistics.

If people aren't able to recognize valid electoral projections, I don't see why they think they can recognize the infinitely more complex worlds of economic forecasting and climatology.