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Title: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: Yawn on December 12, 2012, 06:25:11 PM
Since this seems to be THE topic libertarians and "social liberals masquerading as Conservatives, want to use to destroy the Republican Party and drive true Conservatives from the Party, I think it's important that the rest of us understand WHERE this "acceptance" (really, they will not be satisfied until YOU join their army in the war on Christianity) will lead in another generation.

QuoteTwo Christians in Australia have been indicted for criticizing Islam, and another for criticizing Zionism. A filmmaker has been threatened with arrest for using the word "homosexual" rather than "gay." Now a German priest faces jail time for publicly criticizing abortionists, and in Holland, "fornicators" and "adulterers" are protected classes and cannot be criticized.

All courtesy of the concept of federal "hate crimes" legislation, which unless defeated soon could be mandatory in the United States, warns a rising chorus of critics.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2007/02/40182/#Hq4Hr7RLIDhe82cp.99 (http://www.wnd.com/2007/02/40182/#Hq4Hr7RLIDhe82cp.99)


Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: Darth Fife on December 12, 2012, 06:37:18 PM
No true Libertarian would accept any form of Hate Crime Legislation. There are, however, a number of Leftists and Anarchists posing as Libertarians whose sole purpose is to foment dissension among conservatives.

For those who don't know, the Libertarian Party was formed in opposition to the liberal agenda of people like Richard Nixon. 

Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: Yawn on December 12, 2012, 06:57:01 PM
Yes. There are those claiming "Libertarianism" that give true Libertarians a bad name.  I consider the Founders the true and original Libertarians.  When judging ideas I use my understanding of the Founding Fathers as my anchor.  On matters of morality, "Jesus" (actually Yeshua) is the foundational anchor to judge good and evil.
Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: redlom xof on December 12, 2012, 07:03:40 PM
If you see someone working on a Sunday, do you kill them Yawn ?

Or if someone wears a cross stitch piece of clothing on a Sunday, do you also kill them ?
Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: Darth Fife on December 12, 2012, 07:12:45 PM
Quote from: Yawn on December 12, 2012, 06:57:01 PM
Yes. There are those claiming "Libertarianism" that give true Libertarians a bad name.  I consider the Founders the true and original Libertarians.  When judging ideas I use my understanding of the Founding Fathers as my anchor.  On matters of morality, "Jesus" (actually Yeshua) is the foundational anchor to judge good and evil.

And you know what? As a Libertarian and an Atheist, I don't have a problem with that.

There are two kinds of Atheists. One is what I call an "Evangelical Atheist" - the one who is absolutely convinced that God does not exist  and will not rest until he convinces everyone he can that God does not exist.

Then there is my kind of Atheist. The kind who just has not seen proof that God exists, but does not have a problem with people who think differently. Some people call this an agnostic, but that really is not the correct term. An Agnostic is just an Atheist who doesn't have the courage to call himself that.

While I have said elsewhere that "good" and "evil" are somewhat subjective terms and really can't be used as absolutes, the concepts, however, can be fairly objective - if not carried to the extreme.

The concept of what is good can be found in many place, including the Bible and the Torah and in the teaching of just about every major religion there is. To ignore such concepts, simply because they are "religious" teachings is silly.

The trick is separating the "wheat" from the "chaff" so to speak.
Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: BILLY Defiant on December 12, 2012, 07:55:24 PM
Like I said before, what gays want are a privledged status with special rights and benefits....like "dissing" them is an offense.

Billy
Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: redlom xof on December 12, 2012, 08:25:10 PM
While I agree with the original post, Billy you count gay marriage as a " privilege status".
Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: BILLY Defiant on December 12, 2012, 08:43:48 PM
Quote from: redlom xof on December 12, 2012, 08:25:10 PM
While I agree with the original post, Billy you count gay marriage as a " privilege status".


:rolleyes:
Sigh.....No...(This is another point that went over the point on top of your head I guess).

Billy
Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: redlom xof on December 12, 2012, 09:02:05 PM
ohhh so you believe that gays should be allowed to get married ? If that is the case, I'm sorry for claiming your view to be something else.
Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: BILLY Defiant on December 12, 2012, 09:07:46 PM
Quote from: redlom xof on December 12, 2012, 09:02:05 PM
ohhh so you believe that gays should be allowed to get married ? If that is the case, I'm sorry for claiming your view to be something else.

Thats not it either but let me try to cut through the fog of Marijuana smoke and clarrify for you.

I don't care if gays get married or not...it's up to the State to pass the law or not.

I think what gays want is "protection" status by the Federal Govt as a "discriminated" against minority.

I'm basing my surmise on these cases where someone is charged with a "hate crime" for calling them a 'Homo" or something.

Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: redlom xof on December 12, 2012, 09:32:44 PM
Okay, hate crimes are stupid. Everyone should be treated equal under the law. If I bash a white man it should be no different if I bash a black man or a homosexual man. I think we both agree on that.

Gay marriage is not that though. Gay marriage is just treating everyone the same under the eye of government.

You're assuming there is some gay conspiracy out there to slowly take over. And allowing them to marry is the first step.

Just let them get married. Then we wont have to listen/debate this crap anymore. You and I wont even know anything changed.
Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: manifest on December 12, 2012, 09:58:15 PM
I don't know the particulars of this bill, but I certainly know that WND is the last source one should trust in actually providing an honest account of it - notice there aren't' actually any details of the legislation at all, just scary quotes from pastors and other random sources that play to the narrative that's generally accepted by conservatives. Gay, liberal conspiracies!! Scary!!

But... the bill could very well be terrible (so many are), so I'll reserve my judgement on it... but we wouldn't know by reading the article.

Also you guys do realize that hate crime legislation (to date) has never actually created new crimes?  In other words, if it wasn't a crime before to preach a fiery sermon about homosexuality, hate crime bills don't change that?   It sounds like many of you don't actually understand what "hate crime" status is - punishment escalation, not the creation of "new crimes".



Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: mdgiles on December 13, 2012, 08:03:32 AM
Quote from: redlom xof on December 12, 2012, 07:03:40 PM
If you see someone working on a Sunday, do you kill them Yawn ?

Or if someone wears a cross stitch piece of clothing on a Sunday, do you also kill them ?
Amazing how leftists can never seem to get it through their heads that Christians, are followers of Jesus Christ. As in the New Testament of the Bible. Without fail, whenever they want to badmouth Christian belief, they always seem to pick something out of the Old Testament. I guess they just can't help displaying their ignorance.
Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: mdgiles on December 13, 2012, 08:05:30 AM
QuoteAn Agnostic is just an Atheist who doesn't have the courage to call himself that.
Arrogant. How about an agnostic is someone who prefers not to make up their mind until all the facts are in.
Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: Darth Fife on December 13, 2012, 01:48:41 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on December 13, 2012, 08:05:30 AM
Arrogant. How about an agnostic is someone who prefers not to make up their mind until all the facts are in.

A "moderate" middle of the road kind of thing, eh?

There is nothing in the middle of the road except yellow lines and dead animals!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: Bronx on December 13, 2012, 01:58:42 PM
Hint Hint..the stage is being set. The curtain call will soon be upon us.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: Bronx on December 13, 2012, 02:03:24 PM
.....And a Child was born.     :popcorn:
Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: Yawn on December 13, 2012, 04:24:00 PM
Quote from: redlom xof on December 12, 2012, 07:03:40 PM
If you see someone working on a Sunday, do you kill them Yawn ?

Or if someone wears a cross stitch piece of clothing on a Sunday, do you also kill them ?

No.  True Christians follow Yeshua, the apostles and the prophets who all kept the Sabbath, not SUNday.  The Sabbath was made for MAN (not the Jew)Mark 2:27

Now I hope everyone sees the strawman arguments the left uses to make their case against Christianity.

The real question is, does "red" really know what he's doing, or is he just ignorant of Christianity due to many years of brainwashing from the radical left?  I think he knows better, but he's willing to bear false witness against his neighbor to win a political victory.  The Left is always dishonest.
Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: Yawn on December 13, 2012, 04:26:31 PM
Quote from: redlom xof on December 12, 2012, 09:02:05 PM
ohhh so you believe that gays should be allowed to get married ? If that is the case, I'm sorry for claiming your view to be something else.

Like I told you, Rock Hudson (who was gay) was married to a woman.  There are more than a few gays who get married.  But you know that.  What you really want is to force a change in the definition of marriage to help less than 1% with a mental illness feel better about their sickness.
Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: Yawn on December 13, 2012, 04:31:07 PM
Quote from: manifest on December 12, 2012, 09:58:15 PM
I don't know the particulars of this bill, but I certainly know that WND is the last source one should trust in actually providing an honest account of it - notice there aren't' actually any details of the legislation at all, just scary quotes from pastors and other random sources that play to the narrative that's generally accepted by conservatives. Gay, liberal conspiracies!! Scary!!


So because you don't like a conservative news source you're saying these incidents never happened????  I can give you tons more. In fact, that's why I created this thread. So many want to use this issue to appeal to what you believe a Conservative is.  It's important to see what happens as these anti-Christian bigots gain political power in other nations as well as our own,

But are you saying the incidents I listed DIDN'T happen because you don't like WND???

BIGOT!
Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: Yawn on December 13, 2012, 04:34:20 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on December 13, 2012, 08:03:32 AM
Amazing how leftists can never seem to get it through their heads that Christians, are followers of Jesus Christ. As in the New Testament of the Bible. Without fail, whenever they want to badmouth Christian belief, they always seem to pick something out of the Old Testament. I guess they just can't help displaying their ignorance.

Yeshua was the God of the OT.  "Do not think I have come to abolish the Law and the prophets. I have not come to abolish but to make FULL"
Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: Yawn on December 13, 2012, 06:38:03 PM
Harassment by bigoted queers.  If this were reversed, it wouldn't be tolerated. As they gain political power, their violence and harassment will escalate.  Soon you will go to jail for criticizing this deathstyle:

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Famericansfortruth.com%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F08%2Fbesen_terrorizes_boston_church1.jpg&hash=d8eb0a97514964981e5ac195b4ae1c5691dbfa21)

Homosexual activist Wayne Besen — shown here shouting through a bullhorn into the window of a Boston church — which was hosting a meeting of ex-homosexuals — is curiously called upon by the media to discuss tolerance and "hate." Many pro-family advocates see Besen as one of the most mean-spirited militants in the LGBT movement. Besen works closely with the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Source (http://americansfortruth.com/2012/08/21/homosexual-hatemonger-wayne-besen-reaffirms-smear-of-frc-as-hate-group/)

Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: manifest on December 13, 2012, 10:35:00 PM
Quote from: Yawn on December 13, 2012, 04:31:07 PM
So because you don't like a conservative news source you're saying these incidents never happened????  I can give you tons more. In fact, that's why I created this thread. So many want to use this issue to appeal to what you believe a Conservative is.  It's important to see what happens as these anti-Christian bigots gain political power in other nations as well as our own,

But are you saying the incidents I listed DIDN'T happen because you don't like WND???

BIGOT!

Oh I don't know if they did or not, or if they occurred as portrayed.- I'm not sure on the particulars of foreign hate crimes legislation.  The article in question had *no* details at all, certainly not enough content to judge any of the situations.  So based on that alone, that's a good reason to dismiss it as crap - though based on prior experience, WND is not an honest outlet.  All I'm sayin..  where and what are the details that warrant the reactions here?  I hope there's more than this article...

That being said, I do know that in Australia and some European countries, freedom of speech isn't really what it is here...  so if the article was more or less talking honestly about those situations, I wouldn't be surprised either - but given the general attitude towards free speech in those other places, any similar occurrence is unlikely here.

I do know that, here in the US, to date, a "hate crime" is only a designation that can be applied to acts that are already illegal, plain and simple. 

Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: mdgiles on December 14, 2012, 03:24:53 AM
Quote from: Yawn on December 13, 2012, 04:34:20 PM
Yeshua was the God of the OT.  "Do not think I have come to abolish the Law and the prophets. I have not come to abolish but to make FULL"
In all matters, A Christian is supposed to follow the New Testament, and the teachings of Jesus, versus the Old Testament. Christians shouldrepect the Old Testament, for it foretold the coming of the Messiah. It is possible to be a good Christian, and never read a word of the Old Testament. IMHO, "Christians" who spend all their time and effort defending the Old Testament aren't really Christians.
Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: Darth Fife on December 14, 2012, 11:58:17 AM
Quote from: Yawn on December 13, 2012, 06:38:03 PM
Harassment by bigoted queers.  If this were reversed, it wouldn't be tolerated. As they gain political power, their violence and harassment will escalate.  Soon you will go to jail for criticizing this deathstyle:

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Famericansfortruth.com%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F08%2Fbesen_terrorizes_boston_church1.jpg&hash=d8eb0a97514964981e5ac195b4ae1c5691dbfa21)

Homosexual activist Wayne Besen — shown here shouting through a bullhorn into the window of a Boston church — which was hosting a meeting of ex-homosexuals — is curiously called upon by the media to discuss tolerance and "hate." Many pro-family advocates see Besen as one of the most mean-spirited militants in the LGBT movement. Besen works closely with the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Source (http://americansfortruth.com/2012/08/21/homosexual-hatemonger-wayne-besen-reaffirms-smear-of-frc-as-hate-group/)

Why am I not surprised!  :rolleyes:

Notice also, that they only harass churches where they are pretty sure they won't be challenged! I have no love of Fred Phelps and his very, very odd family and congregation, but I dare say that you'll never see Mr Besen poking his bull (shit) horn into the windows of the Westboro Baptist Church! :glare:

Title: Re: Diss a Queer, to Jail You'll Appear
Post by: Yawn on December 14, 2012, 04:57:43 PM
NORMAL people may protest in a civilized manor against those things they disapprove of, but both these homosexual bigots and the "queer" (as in strange) Phelps family just don't respect any other point of view.  They have no TOLERANCE, and no human compassion for others.