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Started by Ex-Conservative, August 19, 2014, 04:23:01 PM

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With City on Edge, St. Louis Police Shoot and Kill Another Man

At a time when tension between police and civilians are at an all-time high, and scrutiny of police tactics have never been greater, police in St. Louis shot and killed a man on Tuesday, just miles from where Michael Brown died. This incident involved a St. Louis Police Department officer, where as Michael Brown was killed by a Ferguson Police Department officer.

The incident occurred outside of a 5-Star Market just before 1:00 p.m. local time today. According to police, the man was attempting to rob the convenience store and was wielding a knife. The store owner argued with the man and when police arrived, he refused to let go of the knife. He then threatened two officers who fired on the suspect, killing him.

He was pronounced dead at the scene. No police officers were injured during the incident.

Police also say the suspect was acting "erratically" and according to some witnesses, told police to "Shoot me. Kill me now." The Wire spoke with legal expert Jens David Ohlin, who is a professor of law at the Cornell Law School. He explained that if, indeed, the suspect said "Shoot me" or "kill me now" this would be deemed "death by cop." "When someone deliberately provokes a cop to get them to kill them, as kind of a suicide rather than killing themselves, that is death by cop."

Crowds have already gathered at the site of the shooting, adding to an already tense and emotional atmosphere.

The law comes down on the side of the person defending their bodily integrity.'
Ohlin explained that the legality of this situation is murky, depending heavily on what the suspect was doing with the knife. "If the police officer was in danger from the knife attack, he or she is permitted to use lethal force to repel the attack. Normally speaking, it is not permitted to use force against loss of property. You can't use deadly force to defend your property, but if he was wielding a knife and threatening to use it against the police officer, and the officer reasonably believed they couldn't disarm the individual using different means, it may have been appropriate to shoot him."

Questions have arisen about the police officers ability to disarm the suspect, rather than killing him, and details remain few. Others have questioned why the officer did not choose to disarm him by shooting the suspect in the leg or arm:


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Whatever happened to shooting someone in the leg? #Ferguson
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Ohlin explained that police officers are actually trained not to shoot in the leg. Officers are taught two kinds of defensive force: "non-lethal measures and lethal measures. Once it is appropriate for the police officer to fire their weapon, you are in the territory of lethal measures and it is justified to kill the individual." 

The Wire's expert specifically addressed the concept of shooting someone in the leg, "A lot of people have a popular misconception of 'Why didn't the officer shoot them in the leg?' It is neither part of their training or a requirement of the law. Once you are allowed to use lethal force to protect from the attack, you are entitled to kill the person. Police officers are trained to repel the attack. They are not trained to shoot people in the leg. Shooting someone in the leg will not repel the attack. You are either entitled to use legal force or you're not."

Here's where it occurred (the other start near Ferguson Avenue indicates block 2900 of Canfield Drive, on which Michael Brown was shot): (Riverview, Blvd and Mc Laren Avenue)


I wonder what Liberals and other Democrat constituents will say about this? Is this another "good little boy got shot by da man"?


mdgiles

These days, "Suicide By Cop is easy, since they're all trigger happy anyway.
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

carlb

Why do they circle the wagons in s :ttoung:upport of the CRIMINAL element? I guess they really can't find examples of decent blacks being gunned down the way they'd like us to believe .

Billy's bayonet

Quote from: mdgiles on August 19, 2014, 04:29:15 PM
These days, "Suicide By Cop is easy, since they're all trigger happy anyway.

Translation:

The cops are always wrong no matter what
Evil operates best when under a disguise

WHEN A CRIME GOES UNPUNISHED THE WORLD IS UNBALANCED

WHEN A WRONG IS UNAVENGED THE HEAVENS LOOK DOWN ON US IN SHAME

IMPEACH BIDEN

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Quote from: carlb on August 19, 2014, 04:29:59 PM
Why do they circle the wagons in s :ttoung:upport of the CRIMINAL element? I guess they really can't find examples of decent blacks being gunned down the way they'd like us to believe .
Nah, they don't want fine examples, libs hate blacks. It's really that simple.
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Quote from: Solar on August 19, 2014, 06:10:15 PM
Nah, they don't want fine examples, libs hate blacks. It's really that simple.

It's not just blacks, but the libs sure do have a "thang" about stirring up trouble there.

Sure is easy to get ANY group of people (of ANY color) riled up and rioting if the "proper" incentive is given. Those who fall for it are even more likely to wind up dead than those who remain responsible citizens. Win-win for the left....they get the excuse for the violence and the anti-police results they wanted when law 'n' order steps in.

TboneAgain

Quote from: Solar on August 19, 2014, 06:10:15 PM
Nah, they don't want fine examples, libs hate blacks. It's really that simple.

Lib/progs hate EVERYBODY who's not a lib/prog, including most of those who post here. They're not particularly bigoted against blacks.
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Solar

Quote from: TboneAgain on August 19, 2014, 06:17:29 PM
Lib/progs hate EVERYBODY who's not a lib/prog, including most of those who post here. They're not particularly bigoted against blacks.
Actually I believe they are, they see blacks as inferior, incapable without govt support.
Events such as this, only cement these feelings further.

Honestly, the most racist people I've ever met, were upper middle class libs.
One of my health clubs was located in one of these liberal hubs, I was looking for a couple of employees, a nice black kid came in to interview, after he left, I had more than ten women crowding my office demanding I not hire him.

When I said asked if they knew him, they all replied, "he's a nigger, they're all alike". Needless to say, I was shocked, I had never experienced such bigotry in my life, even the black neighborhood I grew up in had more decency than these bitches.

And no, I didn't hire him, only because I needed full time and he was going to college.
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daidalos

Well he apparently got what he asked for.

Whether he actually said "shoot me, kill me now" to the cops or not.

Threaten a cop, and especially threaten a cop with a weapon of any kind.

And yes that includes a knife, and you are just asking to be shot.

But that hugely glaring point will be lost on these race baiting liberals, and their cronies in the MSM.

I'm sorry but I feel zero sympathy for someone, who takes it upon themselves to assault or threaten police officers and as a result winds up shot.

While yes, there are bad cops out there.

The way one deals with them is in a court room.

Not a brawl in the street.

Besides, if you take a knife to a gun fight, your stupid anyhow.

The police are actually doing us a favor by weeding out that gene donor from the gene pool.
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carlb

Quote from: mdgiles on August 19, 2014, 04:29:15 PM
These days, "Suicide By Cop is easy, since they're all trigger happy anyway.

If an Illegal Invader committed the same crime this thug committed and ended up getting HIMSELF killed by assaulting a police officer he THOUGHT was aware of his CRIME, would you be shedding tears over his death?  Would you be supporting riots by Illegals over his death?  Somehow I think you'd be singing a different tune.

What if it was a Muslim riot after "one of their own committed a crime and got himself shot because of his own stupidity.

YOU need to take off your race colored glasses. They don't help you see clearly.

Cryptic Bert

None of this crap is racial. It's poverty. It's class. It's desperation but it's not racial.

Ex-Conservative

I apologize for posting this on the main political forum, thus forcing its move to this forum. I should have picked up on that from the other threads I saw and started this thread in here myself.

Solar

Quote from: Ex-Conservative on August 19, 2014, 07:46:40 PM
I apologize for posting this on the main political forum, thus forcing its move to this forum. I should have picked up on that from the other threads I saw and started this thread in here myself.
No prob, you're new.
This forum is for the BS the LSM forces on the unknowing public, while the Poli forum is for us to set our agenda.
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TboneAgain

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 19, 2014, 07:43:08 PM
None of this crap is racial. It's poverty. It's class. It's desperation but it's not racial.

I wish you were right. But the sad truth is that it IS racial because that's what the media want it to be. Driving voters to the polls is tough when the issues are poverty or class. But it's a piece of cake when the issue can be made to be the color of your skin.

Research carefully the way the Trayvon Martin case was promoted in the media. Martin was shot in FEBRUARY, but the case didn't start making headlines until just about this time of year in 2012, another pivotal election year.

If you honestly think the timing of this Ferguson crap and the upcoming election are not related, I have some ocean-front property I'd like to sell you, sight unseen. I'll throw in a bridge or two. Trust me, man, just trust me.
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