Lets say we have x and y be any real number and y is not equal to 0 in which we have x/y.  In math, this is what we define to be defined.

Lets say we have x be any real number and y be 0  in which we have x/y.  In math, this is what we define to be undefined.

What happens if no person existed to define anything.   There would be nothing to define so we would not have anything defined or undefined. 

What happens if we don't define x or y to be defined or undefined?   Then the resulting answer would neither be defined nor undefined.  No resulting answer can be defined to be definable or undefinable.  No answer would exist.

What do you all think?

Oh good lord.

Quote from: taxed on September 16, 2015, 09:19:38 PM
Oh good lord.

Yes, if no one existed to state that x/0 was undefined then would x/0 be undefined or would x/0 be neither defined nor undefined since no one was around to state that it was and it is?

What meaning exists a + b if there is no one around to add a + b to come up with c?   

Think about the idea of Schrodinger's cat.   Schrodinger gets a cat and puts the cat in a box.   Schrodinger releases a nerve gas.  Without observation, the cat is both alive and dead yet it is neither.  It is in a state of superposition or in multiple possible states at the same time.

Without us to give observation to the math, x/0 and x/y where y is not 0 is in a state of superposition in which the answer is valued as multiple states of being and multiple states of existence.  10/2 =5 is because we observe it through our senses, our proofs, our logic from our minds to be 5.   When we apply the ideas of particles and waves to the concepts of math metaphorically when we observe the properties of math and the operations they all take form and the wave function metaphorically collapses.   

It makes sense now when Solar said that life is what we make it.   Life is what we observe it to be and without us to observe life, life would be in a state of superposition with multiple possible states.   

Quote from: taxed on September 16, 2015, 09:19:38 PM
Oh good lord.

Well at least imaginary numbers were not discussed.

Quote from: tac on September 17, 2015, 09:11:43 AM
Well at least imaginary numbers were not discussed.

Now you've gone and done it!

Quote from: walkstall on September 17, 2015, 09:22:47 AM
Now you've gone and done it!

See how this lad does while researching Zen Druidism --- worshiping trees that aren't there. 

Mathematics is an invention of mankind. It is nothing more than a tool, invented by man in order to have more control over our surrounding environment. We use it to describe aspects of reality, to predict the outcome from manipulation of real objects, and/or from the use of other tools in the manipulation of real objects. Whether we are describing something as simple as counting the number of apples in a bag, or delving into the analysis of high end particle physics while we try to unscrew the inscrutable, in the end, 1+1=2 would not exist without the mind of mankind, let alone more advanced concepts such as defined quanta and undefined.

Quote from: cubedemon on September 16, 2015, 10:53:22 PM
Yes, if no one existed to state that x/0 was undefined then would x/0 be undefined or would x/0 be neither defined nor undefined since no one was around to state that it was and it is?

What meaning exists a + b if there is no one around to add a + b to come up with c?   

Think about the idea of Schrodinger's cat.   Schrodinger gets a cat and puts the cat in a box.   Schrodinger releases a nerve gas.  Without observation, the cat is both alive and dead yet it is neither.  It is in a state of superposition or in multiple possible states at the same time.

Without us to give observation to the math, x/0 and x/y where y is not 0 is in a state of superposition in which the answer is valued as multiple states of being and multiple states of existence.  10/2 =5 is because we observe it through our senses, our proofs, our logic from our minds to be 5.   When we apply the ideas of particles and waves to the concepts of math metaphorically when we observe the properties of math and the operations they all take form and the wave function metaphorically collapses.   

It makes sense now when Solar said that life is what we make it.   Life is what we observe it to be and without us to observe life, life would be in a state of superposition with multiple possible states.

You ask the age old question, If a tree falls in the forest, and no one is around to hear it?
Time, another concept of man, and without man, no one would be around to observe or calender it.
In other words, it's all relative to our very existence.

Glad you figured out my original point, but what you just described is time before life, life itself, and the after life.
Without the measure of time, all exist at the same moment.

Quote from: Solar on September 17, 2015, 06:52:54 PM
You ask the age old question, If a tree falls in the forest, and no one is around to hear it?
Time, another concept of man, and without man, no one would be around to observe or calender it.
In other words, it's all relative to our very existence.

Glad you figured out my original point, but what you just described is time before life, life itself, and the after life.
Without the measure of time, all exist at the same moment.

Math, I always like knowing what the government is stealing for me. 

Quote from: Solar on September 17, 2015, 06:52:54 PM
You ask the age old question, If a tree falls in the forest, and no one is around to hear it?
Time, another concept of man, and without man, no one would be around to observe or calender it.
In other words, it's all relative to our very existence.

Glad you figured out my original point, but what you just described is time before life, life itself, and the after life.
Without the measure of time, all exist at the same moment.

I will go further.   I think this is what you're saying with life is what you make it.

I will give an example using flight.  Before the Wright Brothers and I think Leonardo DaVinci as well flight was considered impossible by man because he didn't have wings.   What they were able to do was create a quantum state in which they worked around the problem of not having wings. 

I wonder if there is a principle here.  Anything that seems impossible to you is only impossible because one hasn't figured out a way to overcome it or work around it.   There is a way someway somehow even if it is unknown at the time and maybe it will take decades to work it out, maybe centuries.

Quote from: cubedemon on September 16, 2015, 06:28:58 PM
Lets say we have x and y be any real number and y is not equal to 0 in which we have x/y.  In math, this is what we define to be defined.

Lets say we have x be any real number and y be 0  in which we have x/y.  In math, this is what we define to be undefined.

What happens if no person existed to define anything.   There would be nothing to define so we would not have anything defined or undefined. 

What happens if we don't define x or y to be defined or undefined?   Then the resulting answer would neither be defined nor undefined.  No resulting answer can be defined to be definable or undefinable.  No answer would exist.

What do you all think?

You should always initialize your variables.  That's just good programming.