Quote from: Solar on June 17, 2019, 10:03:52 PM
The Founding Documents were concise, there was no mistaking their intent, they were written so even an idiot could grasp their meaning.
The Founders intent was a super lean and small unintrusive govt. That's why the Bill of Rights was created, assuring the govt was hamstrung and kept away from God Given Rights.
That's the approach you need to take when reading the Federalist Papers. Our Founders despised govt, and saw it as a necessary evil.

I'm on number 3.  So far, what I understand from reading these three is that

0.  All governments are inherently evil.

1.  A government must exist.

2.  It is better to have a bigger union then to have smaller confederacies and/or nations.

3.  All people have certain inalienable rights that governments are not allowed to violate.

4.  Governments job is to preserve this union while staying within certain bounds that make sure our inalienable rights are not violated.

5.  For a country to keep to this greater union the people must have certain similarities in traditions, beliefs, etc.

Am I on the ball park so far?

Quote from: alienhand on June 18, 2019, 12:51:17 AM

I'm on number 3.  So far, what I understand from reading these three is that

0.  All governments are inherently evil.

1.  A government must exist.

2.  It is better to have a bigger union then to have smaller confederacies and/or nations.

3.  All people have certain inalienable rights that governments are not allowed to violate.

4.  Governments job is to preserve this union while staying within certain bounds that make sure our inalienable rights are not violated.

5.  For a country to keep to this greater union the people must have certain similarities in traditions, beliefs, etc.

Am I on the ball park so far?

Congrats, you're starting to understand what we Conservatives are all about.

Quote from: Solar on June 18, 2019, 05:21:02 AM
Congrats, you're starting to understand what we Conservatives are all about.

Thanks!  Read #4 and it talks more about how unity is more important then having seperate confederate states and smaller divided countries.   

I'm starting to realize something from the four I read so far.  For a group of people to unite in harmony or as a nation

a.  the people that have to have more similarities and more common interests then differences and divided interests.

b.  There would have to be a pressing need like a foreign threat, extreme disaster, etc.

Quote from: alienhand on June 19, 2019, 04:05:25 AM
Thanks!  Read #4 and it talks more about how unity is more important then having seperate confederate states and smaller divided countries.   

I'm starting to realize something from the four I read so far.  For a group of people to unite in harmony or as a nation

a.  the people that have to have more similarities and more common interests then differences and divided interests.

b.  There would have to be a pressing need like a foreign threat, extreme disaster, etc.

This is what separates Conservatives from liberals.
We love the country, while libs are all about division, their entire party is comprised of self made victims.

Quote from: Solar on June 19, 2019, 06:17:46 AM
This is what separates Conservatives from liberals.
We love the country, while libs are all about division, their entire party is comprised of self made victims.

I will say that John Jay is a bit easier to read then Alexander Hamilton.  I don't know why though.

Quote from: alienhand on June 23, 2019, 12:37:23 AM
I will say that John Jay is a bit easier to read then Alexander Hamilton.  I don't know why though.

Some people when asked what time it is will tell you how to build a clock to give you the time.  Other will just tell you the time right out.

Quote from: walkstall on June 23, 2019, 04:35:11 AM

Some people when asked what time it is will tell you how to build a clock to give you the time.  Other will just tell you the time right out.

Exactly! Some write in 'repair manual' speak, dry as a popcorn fart, while others write in dramatic prose. I prefer the manual approach myself, I could give a shit how someone "Feels" about any given subject.
If I want emotion, I'll watch a chick flick.  "Just The Facts Mam, just the facts"