Debate Night

Started by Solar, February 06, 2016, 06:08:51 PM

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Cali Contrarian

On other side note on the debate I thought was interesting.......

Did anybody else sit up when Kasich promised that he'd get amnesty done for illegals within the first 100 days of his term? As if that would be his top priority or something.

taxed

Quote from: Cali Contrarian on February 07, 2016, 08:47:47 PM
Well, almost all of the debate analysis agrees with you, so I won't say there isn't anything to it. I'd just like to see the analysts do more analysis on their own, and less knee-jerk bandwagon consensus.

I think primarily, Rubio gave the response that he did because he didn't want to concede the point, and he had no idea it was going to be perceived the way it has been. He was repeating the point, because if Christie didn't get it, maybe the viewers didn't either, and it was a main thematic point he wanted to make for the debate. I don't draw the conclusion that he can't think on his feet, because I've seen him do it.

I do believe Rubio's momentum has been checked. A lot of factors at play there, not just this incident. I don't see the Rick Perry comparison at all. This may hurt Rubio short term, but I don't think it establishes any unshakable impression in the eyes of the public.

They can patch it up, but Christie took a nice bite out of him.  Bush took a little slice out of Trump, which was adorable.  I, too, think Cruz won.  He also wasn't cheapened on the sister thing because the moderator brought it up.  I also agree Rubio's pwnage might not be as seared into our brains like Rick Perry, but it's condensed tight enough in a nice little clip to keep it alive forever.  All we have to do is play those Christie clips, and the drinking water thing from the State of the Union, and laughing with Schumer and Menendez on the Gang of 8, and these Rubio fans just completely melt down.  When his finances are brought up, that's when it will be interesting.  Somebody has to start attacking that. 

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je_freedom

Quote from: Cali Contrarian on February 07, 2016, 08:51:24 PM
On other side note on the debate I thought was interesting.......

Did anybody else sit up when Kasich promised that
he'd get amnesty done for illegals within the first 100 days of his term?
As if that would be his top priority or something.

Kasich said:

"You must have an agenda that you are ready to move on in the first 100 days.
Jeb is right. If you delay and you wait, the Washington operators will take you down.
I can tell you this, in the first 100 days, I will have legislation to
freeze federal regulations, have them reviewed by the vice president,
reduce state taxes on individuals, (I think he meant estate taxes)
reduce taxes on corporations,
have a fiscal plan to balance the budget,
get the border protected
and begin to fix Social Security in the first 100 days.

"So, anybody who is here tonight, if I get elected president,
head out tomorrow and buy a seat belt,
because there's going to be so much happening in the first 100 days,
it's going to make your head spin.
We're going to move America forward. I promise you.
We're going to move us forward."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/06/transcript-of-the-feb-6-gop-debate-annotated/

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Cali Contrarian

Quote from: je_freedom on February 07, 2016, 09:47:59 PM
Kasich said:

"You must have an agenda that you are ready to move on in the first 100 days.
Jeb is right. If you delay and you wait, the Washington operators will take you down.
I can tell you this, in the first 100 days, I will have legislation to
freeze federal regulations, have them reviewed by the vice president,
reduce state taxes on individuals, (I think he meant estate taxes)
reduce taxes on corporations,
have a fiscal plan to balance the budget,
get the border protected
and begin to fix Social Security in the first 100 days.

"So, anybody who is here tonight, if I get elected president,
head out tomorrow and buy a seat belt,
because there's going to be so much happening in the first 100 days,
it's going to make your head spin.
We're going to move America forward. I promise you.
We're going to move us forward."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/06/transcript-of-the-feb-6-gop-debate-annotated/

That's the wrong part of the transcript.

https://youtu.be/EgQJNiyj2p0

Check Kasich's response right around the 42:00 mark.

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Quote from: Cali Contrarian on February 07, 2016, 10:17:47 PM
That's the wrong part of the transcript.

https://youtu.be/EgQJNiyj2p0

Check Kasich's response right around the 42:00 mark.


Yup, you got it, Kasich has come out before right around the first or second debate with his support for Amnesty. Thats why he is in the lows and will stay there.
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Cruz, after, is the only voice of sanity in that group.

je_freedom

Quote from: Cali Contrarian on February 07, 2016, 10:17:47 PM
That's the wrong part of the transcript.

Check Kasich's response right around the 42:00 mark.

Is this it?



MUIR: Martha, we're going to turn to immigration now. And I want to bring in Governor Kasich because you told us in an ABC interview, Governor, quote, "It is completely ridiculous to think we are going to go into neighborhoods, grab people out of their homes and ship people back to Mexico." Adding, quote, "That's not where the party is. The party is not for departing 11.5 million people."

But Mr. Trump and Senator Cruz, who have made deportation central to their campaigns, top the national polls. So, my question for you, are you not where the voters are?

KASICH: Well, you know, David, I -- I've just spent a lot of time here in this state, as I mentioned earlier, and we have to have practical solutions, just like we were just talking about a few minutes ago on North Korea. Look, the situation is, we need to finish the border. It has to be completed. Just like we lock our doors at night, the country has to be able to lock its doors. And we can have a guest worker program, where people can come in and out in an orderly way.

And then for the 11.5 million that are here, if they have not committed a crime since they've been here, I believe they ought to pay some back taxes, pay a fine, never get on the path to citizenship, but get legalization. It is not -- I couldn't even imagine how we would even begin to think about taking a mom or a dad out of a house when they have not committed a crime since they've been here, leaving their children in the house. I mean, that is not, in my opinion, the kind of values that we believe in.

KASICH: And secondly, I think at the end of the day, that Americans would support a plan like this. I think Congress would pass a plan to finish the border, guest worker, pay a fine, a path to legalization, and not citizenship. And we've got to get this done. And I will tell you this, within the first 100 days that I am president, I will put that proposal to the Congress.

And I will tell you, as a former Congressman, and an executive, in Ohio, I can promise you that I believe you'll get the votes to pass that, and we can move on with that issue and protect our border. That's what I think.




The problem with a path to legal residence and not citizenship
is that immediately after the plan is passed,
the Dems will start caterwauling about "second class citizens"
not being allowed to vote, etc.
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Quote from: je_freedom on February 08, 2016, 08:38:37 AM
Is this it?



MUIR: Martha, we're going to turn to immigration now. And I want to bring in Governor Kasich because you told us in an ABC interview, Governor, quote, "It is completely ridiculous to think we are going to go into neighborhoods, grab people out of their homes and ship people back to Mexico." Adding, quote, "That's not where the party is. The party is not for departing 11.5 million people."

But Mr. Trump and Senator Cruz, who have made deportation central to their campaigns, top the national polls. So, my question for you, are you not where the voters are?

KASICH: Well, you know, David, I -- I've just spent a lot of time here in this state, as I mentioned earlier, and we have to have practical solutions, just like we were just talking about a few minutes ago on North Korea. Look, the situation is, we need to finish the border. It has to be completed. Just like we lock our doors at night, the country has to be able to lock its doors. And we can have a guest worker program, where people can come in and out in an orderly way.

And then for the 11.5 million that are here, if they have not committed a crime since they've been here, I believe they ought to pay some back taxes, pay a fine, never get on the path to citizenship, but get legalization. It is not -- I couldn't even imagine how we would even begin to think about taking a mom or a dad out of a house when they have not committed a crime since they've been here, leaving their children in the house. I mean, that is not, in my opinion, the kind of values that we believe in.

KASICH: And secondly, I think at the end of the day, that Americans would support a plan like this. I think Congress would pass a plan to finish the border, guest worker, pay a fine, a path to legalization, and not citizenship. And we've got to get this done. And I will tell you this, within the first 100 days that I am president, I will put that proposal to the Congress.

And I will tell you, as a former Congressman, and an executive, in Ohio, I can promise you that I believe you'll get the votes to pass that, and we can move on with that issue and protect our border. That's what I think.




The problem with a path to legal residence and not citizenship
is that immediately after the plan is passed,
the Dems will start caterwauling about "second class citizens"
not being allowed to vote, etc.


Exactly. Also, having millions of people here with no path to citizenship defeats the idea of assimilation. I want immigrants here who desire assimilate and become citizens. Otherwise we are sponsoring another class of inhabitants who are forever excluded.
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Cali Contrarian

Getting back to the topic of Rubio's talking point, I cut this from the comments section of a Washington Post news article, from a person posting as "offshore250." This anonymous person makes the case better than I could ever hope to:

I am not "incompetent". I am destroying America more quickly than anyone thought possible.
I am not "in over my head." I am advancing totalitarianism right under your noses.
I am not "stupid". The "stupid" are those who fail to see the danger I bring.
I am not "failing". I am succeeding at every goal I have set.

I am embracing your enemies and rejecting your friends.
I am acting lawlessly and unconstitutionally.
I am ignoring your Constitution.
I am disobeying your laws.

Your media is abetting me.
Your Congress is not stopping me.
Those sworn to defend your Constitution are not removing me.

I am "fundamentally transforming the United States of America."
Your Constitution, liberty, freedom, wealth, future and children are no longer at risk...the risk is past; they already are lost.


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Now you tell me, is Christie essentially right or is Rubio?

(aside to taxes) -- I know this does not address the point you made, which is well received.

Solar

Quote from: je_freedom on February 08, 2016, 08:38:37 AM
Is this it?



MUIR: Martha, we're going to turn to immigration now. And I want to bring in Governor Kasich because you told us in an ABC interview, Governor, quote, "It is completely ridiculous to think we are going to go into neighborhoods, grab people out of their homes and ship people back to Mexico." Adding, quote, "That's not where the party is. The party is not for departing 11.5 million people."

But Mr. Trump and Senator Cruz, who have made deportation central to their campaigns, top the national polls. So, my question for you, are you not where the voters are?

KASICH: Well, you know, David, I -- I've just spent a lot of time here in this state, as I mentioned earlier, and we have to have practical solutions, just like we were just talking about a few minutes ago on North Korea. Look, the situation is, we need to finish the border. It has to be completed. Just like we lock our doors at night, the country has to be able to lock its doors. And we can have a guest worker program, where people can come in and out in an orderly way.

And then for the 11.5 million that are here, if they have not committed a crime since they've been here, I believe they ought to pay some back taxes, pay a fine, never get on the path to citizenship, but get legalization. It is not -- I couldn't even imagine how we would even begin to think about taking a mom or a dad out of a house when they have not committed a crime since they've been here, leaving their children in the house. I mean, that is not, in my opinion, the kind of values that we believe in.

KASICH: And secondly, I think at the end of the day, that Americans would support a plan like this. I think Congress would pass a plan to finish the border, guest worker, pay a fine, a path to legalization, and not citizenship. And we've got to get this done. And I will tell you this, within the first 100 days that I am president, I will put that proposal to the Congress.

And I will tell you, as a former Congressman, and an executive, in Ohio, I can promise you that I believe you'll get the votes to pass that, and we can move on with that issue and protect our border. That's what I think.




The problem with a path to legal residence and not citizenship
is that immediately after the plan is passed,
the Dems will start caterwauling about "second class citizens"
not being allowed to vote, etc.
Strangely enough, this is what many voters actually heard, despite Cruz repeating it over and over, it never sunk in till a moderator repeated it.
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Quote from: Cali Contrarian on February 08, 2016, 09:19:41 AM
Getting back to the topic of Rubio's talking point, I cut this from the comments section of a Washington Post news article, from a person posting as "offshore250." This anonymous person makes the case better than I could ever hope to:

I am not "incompetent". I am destroying America more quickly than anyone thought possible.
I am not "in over my head." I am advancing totalitarianism right under your noses.
I am not "stupid". The "stupid" are those who fail to see the danger I bring.
I am not "failing". I am succeeding at every goal I have set.

I am embracing your enemies and rejecting your friends.
I am acting lawlessly and unconstitutionally.
I am ignoring your Constitution.
I am disobeying your laws.

Your media is abetting me.
Your Congress is not stopping me.
Those sworn to defend your Constitution are not removing me.

I am "fundamentally transforming the United States of America."
Your Constitution, liberty, freedom, wealth, future and children are no longer at risk...the risk is past; they already are lost.


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Now you tell me, is Christie essentially right or is Rubio?

(aside to taxes) -- I know this does not address the point you made, which is well received.

It's not a matter of who's right or who's wrong.  Christie was pointing out that Rubio is running on a script.  A 25 second canned speech.  He is pointing this out to show that essentially Rubio is incapable of thinking on his feet and adapting.  I would say that Rubio did a VERY good job of proving Christie correct in that light.  Christie made him look small, foolish, and very ill prepared other than a catchy little talking point!

je_freedom

Quote from: Bowhntr on February 08, 2016, 10:36:03 AM
It's not a matter of who's right or who's wrong. 
Christie was pointing out that Rubio is running on a script. 
A 25 second canned speech. 
He is pointing this out to show that essentially
Rubio is incapable of thinking on his feet and adapting. 
I would say that Rubio did a VERY good job of
proving Christie correct in that light. 
Christie made him look small, foolish,
and very ill prepared other than a catchy little talking point!

It matters to me that Rubio is right and Christie is wrong.
Christie is making this argument to divert attention from the fact that
Rubio IS right about the Enemy of America that Christie hugged.

Cruz is also right about The Illegitimate One.  He says the same thing.
Plus, he doesn't have Rubio's weak debating skills,
or his treachery on immigration.
Rubio supporters should switch to Cruz and put him over the top!
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Quote from: je_freedom on February 08, 2016, 06:46:26 PM
It matters to me that Rubio is right and Christie is wrong.
Christie is making this argument to divert attention from the fact that
Rubio IS right about the Enemy of America that Christie hugged.

Cruz is also right about The Illegitimate One.  He says the same thing.
Plus, he doesn't have Rubio's weak debating skills,
or his treachery on immigration.
Rubio supporters should switch to Cruz and put him over the top!

I became fed up with Rubio during the Romney campaign, as I've already stated, because he came off as a rino to me then and he hasn't shaped up any better since.  We need to put him in the liberal stable and keep him there.
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supsalemgr

Quote from: keyboarder on February 08, 2016, 08:17:34 PM
I became fed up with Rubio during the Romney campaign, as I've already stated, because he came off as a rino to me then and he hasn't shaped up any better since.  We need to put him in the liberal stable and keep him there.

To me Rubio is an opportunist that would throw in with McConnell if the wind was blowing that way.
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