Sadly, it is clear President Trump is using DACA as a Bargaining Chip.
I am NOT pleased.
Send them HOME - every last one !
But if it's a chip - THIS is what I want in return.
BUILD THE WALL.
Double Border Patrol.
End Sanctuary Cities - and IMPRISON enablers.
PROSECUTE Employers of Illegals.
End Chain migration.
End Diversity Lottery.
End ALL Handouts for Illegals - Health, Food, Housing, Education.
End Refugee Program.
Drastically reduce LEGAL IMMIGRATION to all but Scientists and the truly useful.
Require all Government Agencies to provide services IN ENGLISH ONLY.
Photo ID Voting.
Yeah, then I'm cool with DACA.
Quote from: Rotwang on December 29, 2017, 04:03:56 PM
Sadly, it is clear President Trump is using DACA as a Bargaining Chip.
I am NOT pleased.
Send them HOME - every last one !
But if it's a chip - THIS is what I want in return.
BUILD THE WALL.
Double Border Patrol.
End Sanctuary Cities - and IMPRISON enablers.
PROSECUTE Employers of Illegals.
End Chain migration.
End Diversity Lottery.
End ALL Handouts for Illegals - Health, Food, Housing, Education.
End Refugee Program.
Drastically reduce LEGAL IMMIGRATION to all but Scientists and the truly useful.
Require all Government Agencies to provide services IN ENGLISH ONLY.
Photo ID Voting.
Yeah, then I'm cool with DACA.
Well, for me it's less about booting those already here because that is a logistical and PR nightmare the democrats will win.
I would be happy with:
The Wall
Double Border Patrol.
End Sanctuary Cities - and IMPRISON enablers.
PROSECUTE Employers of Illegals.
End Chain migration.
End Diversity Lottery.
Photo ID Voting.
In addition to the above list I would add hold the ADULTS who brought the child in illegally responsible with a ten year sentence and revocation of Their citizenship if naturalized. That should serve as a warning to prevent any future child trafficking.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on December 29, 2017, 08:11:07 PM
In addition to the above list I would add hold the ADULTS who brought the child in illegally responsible with a ten year sentence and revocation of Their citizenship if naturalized. That should serve as a warning to prevent any future child trafficking.
This is radical, but I believe the law should be changed that just being born in the USA does not mean automatic citizenship. At least one parent should be a citizen to anoint offspring as citizens.
You want to get rid of illegals? Kill all Federal subsidies linked to illegals in the extreme, if states are funding them, cut their funding in areas supporting welfare.
The only reason this is even an issue, is because both party's don't give a shit about the American people, to them were simply a laborer for taxes.
It really is that simple, cut the funds, and the problem solves itself.
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 30, 2017, 04:55:15 AM
This is radical, but I believe the law should be changed that just being born in the USA does not mean automatic citizenship. At least one parent should be a citizen to anoint offspring as citizens.
Boy-O-Boy that would be GREAT !
But it would require repealing an Amendment.
Maybe something for President Trumps SECOND TERM !
Forgive me if I have posted this before, but I think it bears repeating in a DACA thread.
My town is a "Sanctuary City". 33% of citizens are illegals and their offspring. Our school system is 68% children of illegals. I just paid our School Tax on our property a few weeks ago. It was $2,999.00. For a tiny bit of grass and a 100 year old twin home. My front "yard" is so small, when I sit on the porch I can have a conversation with someone walking down the sidewalk...and not raise my voice. The rest of my taxes are Real Estate Taxes, , about $2,000.00, due in the Spring. Those combined taxes are way out of proportion for our land/home.
If I call the police there is a 30+ minute wait for a cop to show up because our police force has been reduced due to lack of funds.
I agree that automatic citizenship for anchor babies should be eliminated if both parents are illegals. They are welcome to put their kids in our schools, if they pay a healthy tuition for each child, and NOT a subsidized tuition.
Quote from: Rotwang on December 30, 2017, 06:06:58 AM
Boy-O-Boy that would be GREAT !
But it would require repealing an Amendment.
Maybe something for President Trumps SECOND TERM !
I think it would just take a court case to clarify. Levin has addressed it several times, it sounded like the original intent has been stretched.
Quote from: Rotwang on December 30, 2017, 06:06:58 AM
Boy-O-Boy that would be GREAT !
But it would require repealing an Amendment.
Maybe something for President Trumps SECOND TERM !
There's nothing to repeal, it's never actually been ratified into law, it's just that neither party wanted to challenge it because it suited their separate agendas.
Quote from: SueAnn on December 30, 2017, 06:14:09 AM
Forgive me if I have posted this before, but I think it bears repeating in a DACA thread.
My town is a "Sanctuary City". 33% of citizens are illegals and their offspring. Our school system is 68% children of illegals. I just paid our School Tax on our property a few weeks ago. It was $2,999.00. For a tiny bit of grass and a 100 year old twin home. My front "yard" is so small, when I sit on the porch I can have a conversation with someone walking down the sidewalk...and not raise my voice. The rest of my taxes are Real Estate Taxes, , about $2,000.00, due in the Spring. Those combined taxes are way out of proportion for our land/home.
If I call the police there is a 30+ minute wait for a cop to show up because our police force has been reduced due to lack of funds.
I agree that automatic citizenship for anchor babies should be eliminated if both parents are illegals. They are welcome to put their kids in our schools, if they pay a healthy tuition for each child, and NOT a subsidized tuition.
Wow, that really puts things in perspective, two thirds of my taxes go to schools, around $1000.0, while the remaining third is shared between County overhead, road maint. sheriff and fire etc.
The Education leech is bigger than it's host, the taxpayer.
This 'Immigration' fandango is a G-String to beguile certifiably dumb-ass republicrats. Now watch it work!
The democrats, emboldened by their activists and agitators are in the midst of an electoral transformation.
Which is what, you ask???
They are jettisoning their urban-centric lower working class base for hordes of illegals. Why you ask???
* since they breed like flies, there is an endless supply of them.
* since they don't speak English, they are far easier to manipulate and then ignore.
* sine they exist at the poverty/subsistence level they are cheaper to satisfy at the federal handout level.
Since ancient times, immigration has been an economic transaction involving the exchange of wages for benefits; as Smith and Ricardo detailed.
No longer, as the left has been able to transform it into a humanitarian transaction reeking of pious platitudes and sanctimonious bull-shit.
We get the governance we deserve!!!!!
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 30, 2017, 09:00:16 PM
* since they exist at the poverty/subsistence level they are cheaper to satisfy at the federal handout level.
Walter, I agree with much of what you said, except the part I emboldened above. You are DEAD wrong on that, at least in my town in Pennsylvania.
They are
not in the least bit poverty stricken. They have better vehicles than every American I know in this town. I had to get a "new" car this year. My 23 year old baby bit the dust beyond even what my genius auto technician husband could resurrect for a decent price. We looked for months and finally found a decent car we could afford, a 2006 VW Jetta. 11 year old car. And I am happy to have it. Hubby's truck is 15 years old. All my illegal neighbors drive cars and trucks that are less than 5 years old. With fancy wheels and new paint jobs. The clothing they and their children wear is all brand new, the latest styles. I buy my clothes from thrift shops, but only when absolutely necessary. My neighbors have birthday parties for their children every year that would rival a wedding reception. Complete with live Mariachi bands, tons of food and more presents that I received my entire childhood. And the beer---cases and cases of beer---not just at party time, but every week. The landlords I have spoken with say the Mexicans pay their rent on time, in cash, every month. They are not poverty stricken, they simply work under the table, thus the Welfare folks dole out $$ for housing and food stamps and free healthcare.
Quote from: SueAnn on December 30, 2017, 10:26:19 PM
Walter, I agree with much of what you said, except the part I emboldened above. You are DEAD wrong on that, at least in my town in Pennsylvania.
They are not in the least bit poverty stricken. They have better vehicles than every American I know in this town. I had to get a "new" car this year. My 23 year old baby bit the dust beyond even what my genius auto technician husband could resurrect for a decent price. We looked for months and finally found a decent car we could afford, a 2006 VW Jetta. 11 year old car. And I am happy to have it. Hubby's truck is 15 years old. All my illegal neighbors drive cars and trucks that are less than 5 years old. With fancy wheels and new paint jobs. The clothing they and their children wear is all brand new, the latest styles. I buy my clothes from thrift shops, but only when absolutely necessary. My neighbors have birthday parties for their children every year that would rival a wedding reception. Complete with live Mariachi bands, tons of food and more presents that I received my entire childhood. And the beer---cases and cases of beer---not just at party time, but every week. The landlords I have spoken with say the Mexicans pay their rent on time, in cash, every month. They are not poverty stricken, they simply work under the table, thus the Welfare folks dole out $$ for housing and food stamps and free healthcare.
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SueAnn, allow me a clarification.
What I was implying was that these third worlders come from nation-states
where the the vast majority of people exist at a subsistence level;
hence they have been conditioned to accept that as an economic norm.
Consider virtually all the nations of Africa, the Middle East and Latin America.
Does they bring to mind the United States, most of Europe or Japan; in terms of economic achievement.
As a result the people of the third world have been conditioned to expect and accept less.
Just look at the frauds and hustlers that lead them.
Be well.
Quote from: SueAnn on December 30, 2017, 10:26:19 PM
Walter, I agree with much of what you said, except the part I emboldened above. You are DEAD wrong on that, at least in my town in Pennsylvania.
They are not in the least bit poverty stricken. They have better vehicles than every American I know in this town. I had to get a "new" car this year. My 23 year old baby bit the dust beyond even what my genius auto technician husband could resurrect for a decent price. We looked for months and finally found a decent car we could afford, a 2006 VW Jetta. 11 year old car. And I am happy to have it. Hubby's truck is 15 years old. All my illegal neighbors drive cars and trucks that are less than 5 years old. With fancy wheels and new paint jobs. The clothing they and their children wear is all brand new, the latest styles. I buy my clothes from thrift shops, but only when absolutely necessary. My neighbors have birthday parties for their children every year that would rival a wedding reception. Complete with live Mariachi bands, tons of food and more presents that I received my entire childhood. And the beer---cases and cases of beer---not just at party time, but every week. The landlords I have spoken with say the Mexicans pay their rent on time, in cash, every month. They are not poverty stricken, they simply work under the table, thus the Welfare folks dole out $$ for housing and food stamps and free healthcare.
That hits a sore spot with us as well. I'm the sole bread winner, Wifey homeschools the kids, runs the farm (which produces no real income, just gives us more options for FOOD we wouldn't have without it).
Folks we know, are in a similar situation, He works, she's a homeschooling mom, and they have 1 less child.... plus, they've somehow managed to stay on 'government assistance' since her first kid was born out of wedlock... just perpetuated it, somehow, and is quick to say "Our TAXES are paying for this!!!" They own their house, we do not. They have a nice nest egg to retire on, "retire" is out-of-the-question for us - we will work until we cannot.
It's like a DRUG once they get on it, and the pushers do everything they can to find new sources of government assistance to keep them on it. And I felt really bad 20+ years ago, because I was laid off just before Christmas and collected unemployment for 3 months - the only time in my life, and hated it.
With that in mind, send everyone of them back - and those whom we can't, cut them off of all government assistance, period. Maybe they'll just leave and open up a few more jobs for Americans. They are an invading force that is bankrupting this nation, leaving nothing for us or our children. If they still want to come here, no voting rights or government for 10 years, from the day they become naturalized citizens.... get useto the idea of WORKING instead of COLLECTING benefits.
Quote from: Hoofer on December 31, 2017, 02:24:11 PM
If they still want to come here, no voting rights or government for 10 years, from the day they become naturalized citizens.... get useto the idea of WORKING instead of COLLECTING benefits.
BUT if You put in that part about no voting for ten years, the dims won't be pushing for amnesty. :lol: :lol:
Quote from: SueAnn on December 30, 2017, 10:26:19 PM
Walter, I agree with much of what you said, except the part I emboldened above. You are DEAD wrong on that, at least in my town in Pennsylvania.
They are not in the least bit poverty stricken. They have better vehicles than every American I know in this town. I had to get a "new" car this year. My 23 year old baby bit the dust beyond even what my genius auto technician husband could resurrect for a decent price. We looked for months and finally found a decent car we could afford, a 2006 VW Jetta. 11 year old car. And I am happy to have it. Hubby's truck is 15 years old. All my illegal neighbors drive cars and trucks that are less than 5 years old. With fancy wheels and new paint jobs. The clothing they and their children wear is all brand new, the latest styles. I buy my clothes from thrift shops, but only when absolutely necessary. My neighbors have birthday parties for their children every year that would rival a wedding reception. Complete with live Mariachi bands, tons of food and more presents that I received my entire childhood. And the beer---cases and cases of beer---not just at party time, but every week. The landlords I have spoken with say the Mexicans pay their rent on time, in cash, every month. They are not poverty stricken, they simply work under the table, thus the Welfare folks dole out $$ for housing and food stamps and free healthcare.
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Permit me to re-articulate once again.
My poverty/subsistence point had absolutely nothing to do w/money or the lack of it.
Great nation-states have created legacies which will endure till Judgement Day.
Among them, Greece, Rome, Medieval France, Great Britain, Hohenzollern Germany;
because the people of these cultures/societies were infused w/the attitudes,
behaviors, impulses and sentiments necessary to produce great achievement.
In contrast, those of Africa, Latin America, the Middle East; among others,
are not so infused. The latter is wildly rich because of oil and methane gas
and what has that done for the level of aspiration and achievement among average Arabs?
The Third World simply are not achievers, which is why they come here w/their hand out
rather than addressing the chronic and enduring mess in their nation of origin.
Quote from: s3779m on December 31, 2017, 02:32:34 PM
BUT if You put in that part about no voting for ten years, the dims won't be pushing for amnesty. :lol: :lol:
That was suppose to read 'no voting rights or government assistance for 10 years', but yeah, we both know where that's end up.
Some bleeding heart liberal would cry, "They work harder any an other American, and the Conservatives (meanies), won't even let them vote!" ... add in collect blank, blank, and blank, like normal Americans, they are SLAVES! (-just gag me, already, my Indian forefathers didn't die for these invaders... they died for the European Invaders. :ttoung: )
Quote from: Rotwang on December 29, 2017, 04:03:56 PM
Sadly, it is clear President Trump is using DACA as a Bargaining Chip.
I am NOT pleased.
Send them HOME - every last one !
But if it's a chip - THIS is what I want in return.
BUILD THE WALL.
Double Border Patrol.
End Sanctuary Cities - and IMPRISON enablers.
PROSECUTE Employers of Illegals.
End Chain migration.
End Diversity Lottery.
End ALL Handouts for Illegals - Health, Food, Housing, Education.
End Refugee Program.
Drastically reduce LEGAL IMMIGRATION to all but Scientists and the truly useful.
Require all Government Agencies to provide services IN ENGLISH ONLY.
Photo ID Voting.
Yeah, then I'm cool with DACA.
I heard last year on a conservative radio show that the wall can already be funded via Homeland Security funding so a deal would not be necessary.
Quote from: kdavis on January 02, 2018, 05:45:49 AM
I heard last year on a conservative radio show that the wall can already be funded via Homeland Security funding so a deal would not be necessary.
Tiz true. Trump has the Establishment Marxists between a rock and an open septic tank.
He'll get his wall and there's not a thing McCON can do to stop him.
Quote from: Rotwang on December 29, 2017, 04:03:56 PM
Sadly, it is clear President Trump is using DACA as a Bargaining Chip.
I am NOT pleased.
Send them HOME - every last one !
But if it's a chip - THIS is what I want in return.
BUILD THE WALL.
Double Border Patrol.
End Sanctuary Cities - and IMPRISON enablers.
PROSECUTE Employers of Illegals.
End Chain migration.
End Diversity Lottery.
End ALL Handouts for Illegals - Health, Food, Housing, Education.
End Refugee Program.
Drastically reduce LEGAL IMMIGRATION to all but Scientists and the truly useful.
Require all Government Agencies to provide services IN ENGLISH ONLY.
Photo ID Voting.
Yeah, then I'm cool with DACA.
DACA should never be a stand-alone issue. The US needs a complete overhaul of the immigration policy. Here are the key issues from my perspective and I'll give you where I would compromise since that will be necessary to a point. We do have both houses, but I can guarantee you that several RINOS will try to keep the elite satisfied.
Begin with stating what constitutes a natural citizen vs a naturalized citizen. This means "anchor babies" are not citizens. Never have been and it should be retroactive.
Also, a natural citizen is one born from two citizen parents, not one. It matters not where they are born, if both parents are citizens they are citizens. Naturalized are those of one citizen parent, no matter where born, as well as legal immigrants that eventually are eligible for citizenship. make eligibility 10 years before citizenship as well as all welfare services prior to citizenship. Require sponsorships for each legal immigrant that is responsible for these costs as they were under the 1924 law.
Eliminate the lottery, chain migration.
Daca only for those at least 21 yrs of age. Others are under parental control anyway.
I'm not necessarily one who want a full length wall. On the land portion, build a wall. On the river portion, buy the land immediately contiguous with the river for its entire length. Build a road so that it can be better monitored and illegals kept from ever getting across. Just send them back.
What to do with the current illegals. First, enforce existing laws of not giving aid to any of them. E verify with heavier payment penalties for hiring.
Enforce these rules against the states who are giving licenses, health care, and do a much better check on the phony social security numbers, and birth certificates. No such thing as sanctuary for anyone, anywhere. Punishment, legal, for those who obstruct federal law.
Then place a 10 year moratorium on all immigration. Gives the US a time to settle to determine illegals and have most of them self deport. Make sure they can be assimilated. Make English the only recognized language of the US. No more taxes for translators multi-language printing. Place the onus on the immigrant, not the tax payers.
Where is there room for compromise. Since Trump wants a full border wall, compromise with a wall only on the land portion.
Compromise on the DACA with ONLY those older than 18 can stay.
Compromise on the length of time for citizenship.
Compromise on the length of the moratorium.
That is a start.
Dirty Adolescents of Criminal Adults. No thanks to all. Go home and clean up yourselves and your own damn country, don't filthy up mine.