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DACA Thread
« on: January 10, 2018, 05:38:11 AM »
I have no idea what Trump will do, I hear him say "I'll sign any Bill Congress sends me", pundits say he's going back on his word.
But when you look at his track record, this almost comes off as a tactic for negotiation.

What do you think will happen here? He did, after all, promise to send them all back during his campaign.


President Donald Trump decided to allow the press pool to film a lengthy meeting Tuesday on immigration reform, where he has allegedly made a deal with Congressional Republicans and Democrats on the parameters of immigration reform.

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White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders confirmed the deal in an official statement ahead of a press briefing Tuesday afternoon: "President Donald J. Trump just concluded a successful bipartisan and bicameral meeting on immigration reform. During the closed-door portion of the meeting, they reached an agreement to negotiate legislation that accomplishes critically needed reforms in four high-priority areas: border security, chain migration, the visa lottery, and the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals [DACA] policy."

Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn (R-Texas) confirmed that he, Rep. Kevin McCarthy, Sen. Dick Durbin and House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer have been tasked with coming up with a timeline for turning the framework into a bill ahead of the March 5 deadline.

"If you want to take it that further step, I'll take the heat," Trump told Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina at the meeting. "You are not that far away from comprehensive immigration reform."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/01/09/full_replay_president_trump_makes_a_deal_on_immigration_reform.html


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Re: DACA Thread
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2018, 07:33:07 AM »
Trump is playing them, he knows the Dems will never back the wall or other immigration reform, even with concessions on DACA....the question is how about the RINO's?
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2018, 07:55:59 AM »
Trump is playing them, he knows the Dems will never back the wall or other immigration reform, even with concessions on DACA....the question is how about the RINO's?
That's how it looks to me too, based on his track record so far, and I think he is using the Wall as a bargaining tactic.
Considering Congress passed the law under Bush, all he has to do is wrangle funding from Mexico or some other source for funding beyond the reach of Congress, so that leaves Dims capitulating on DACA.
Now considering DACA is merely a play by the left, in that it means "Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, all Trump has to do is reinstate it vie Executive Order.

This is going to be interesting, no doubt.
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Re: DACA Thread
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2018, 07:56:59 AM »
I have no idea what Trump will do, I hear him say "I'll sign any Bill Congress sends me", pundits say he's going back on his word.
But when you look at his track record, this almost comes off as a tactic for negotiation.

What do you think will happen here? He did, after all, promise to send them all back during his campaign.


President Donald Trump decided to allow the press pool to film a lengthy meeting Tuesday on immigration reform, where he has allegedly made a deal with Congressional Republicans and Democrats on the parameters of immigration reform.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/01/09/full_replay_president_trump_makes_a_deal_on_immigration_reform.html

Trump has figured out he can take this approach. Why? He knows he has the "Freedom Caucus" who will not go for a full blown surrender to the democrats.
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Re: DACA Thread
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2018, 07:59:56 AM »
Trump has figured out he can take this approach. Why? He knows he has the "Freedom Caucus" who will not go for a full blown surrender to the democrats.
Yep, and based on the fact Congress only managed one Bill in Trump's first term, obviously the Freedom Caucus held the Establishments feet to the fire. :thumbup:
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Re: DACA Thread
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2018, 01:47:27 PM »
Simply put, I do NOT trust Trump on DACA.  Words mean things to me, he's being really direct in his language - the Democrats were couching their language in feelings and lies, we know what they want.

President Trump (Libs hate that), made a campaign promise, build the wall, end DACA, etc., and nothing is being done.   There is ONE good thing, enforcement of the law regarding the employers hiring illegal aliens, BUT.... and a huge BUT, this is stuff that's suppose to have been happening, and hasn't been.

I'm very skeptical, what I heard was clearly not reflective of Trump's campaign talk.
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Re: DACA Thread
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2018, 04:53:37 AM »
Interesting take.


Trump’s “DACA” Meeting: Another Mission Accomplished

Wait, what?  Yes, that meeting yesterday was not in any way about solving the nation’s immigration problems.  The President is not naive – he is keenly aware that these particular Republicans and these particular Democrats are never, never, ever going to come to any agreement over an approach to the immigration problems facing this country.  Which is why he knew he could sit there and tell them “I’ll sign whatever you bring me” in terms of a comprehensive immigration bill without worrying about ever having to actually do such a thing.

This is especially true with Trump’s one provision that any agreement on DACA or a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants already in the country must include the building of a border wall, and the elimination of chain migration.  He made that crystal clear at the beginning of the meeting, and reiterated it again with tweets afterwards.  Those are deal killers for Democrats, whose one and only interest in all of this is maximizing illegal immigration with the goal of ultimately turning them all into Democrat voters.

Thus, Donald Trump knew he could sit in that meeting a let them all bicker with one another without ever having to worry about actually seeing a comprehensive immigration bill come to his desk.  Which means that all the hysteria from Ann Coulter and the rest of the anti-immigration right we saw last night and will see again today about the President somehow going back on his campaign promises is meaningless blather from people who also still do not understand how Donald Trump operates.

So, then, what was the meeting all about?  Well, it was about demonstrating clearly, without any question at all, that Donald Trump is in complete control of his mental faculties, does not have dementia, and is clearly capable of carrying out the duties of being President of the United States. 

It was about conclusively and effectively refuting these treasonous allegations that have been made ad nauseum by Democrats and in the fake news media since the publication of Michael Wolff’s gossip novel.   After all, if the guy who was clearly in complete control of that meeting is mentally deficient, what does that make all the politicians in the room who were clearly subservient to him?
That, my friends, is the one and only thing that meeting yesterday was about, at least from Donald Trump’s perspective.
Mission accomplished.

http://dbdailyupdate.com/index.php/2018/01/10/trumps-daca-meeting-another-mission-accomplished/
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Re: DACA Thread
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2018, 08:36:42 AM »

you bring me” in terms of a comprehensive immigration bill without worrying about ever having to actually do such a thing.[/b]

This is especially true with Trump’s one provision that any agreement on DACA or a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants already in the country must include the building of a border wall, and the elimination of chain migration.  He made that crystal clear at the beginning of the meeting, and reiterated it again with tweets afterwards.  Those are deal killers for Democrats, whose one and only interest in all of this is maximizing illegal immigration with the goal of ultimately turning them all into Democrat voters.

I'm not so concerned with Trump. His anything that comes to me, he will sign, negotiates to much into the dem's and RINO's favor. My biggest worry is the RINO's in the Senate.

Rep's need to include the wall, train migration, the lottery.  I'll compromise on a partial wall, only on the contiguous land boundary, but on the river we can install other forms of protection. 

The idea of DACA in the future should be denied. In the future there should be no more DACA'S. Whatever compromise is given regarding DACA's there should also be a lengthy time, 10years, before they can become citizens, or better, though not likely, no citizenship at all.   Those parents that might still come illegally in the future should have no hope of any protection for so-called  innocents.  We should also put a much smaller amount of legal entries from Mexico since we have such an abundance currently or put a five year ban from Mexico.   This will enhance assimilation.

While they're at it, why not include clarification of "natural birth. Anchor babies are not citizens.  Establish English as official language. I'm tired of paying taxes to pay for translators and additional cost to goods when manufacturers seem to want to include multi-languages  in their manuals.  If you desire to be here, learn English.

No amnesty for anyone else, now or in the future.

It was good to see the enforcement of e-verify with the huge raid on 7-11s for illegal employees. 





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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2018, 08:58:43 AM »
Trump knocked out the "insane" foolishness by looking sharp and presidential.  NTM looking totally "reach across the aisle".

He knocked the Wolff book off the stage / front page.

He gave them DACA, which he was already giving them anyway, and gets the 3 big items in trade (kill chain / lottery + wall).  The Negotiator.

If the dems don't accept it, they lose big for the next year.  Just like tax reform.  They are burying themselves even worse than they already have been.

He totally cut out the press and dem / DNC filters (spin) of what's going on.  America saw it clean and clear.

He gave the GOP control of the process, and marginalized the dems.

All in all, a helluva play, aces all the way.

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Re: DACA Thread
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2018, 09:13:28 AM »
I'm not so concerned with Trump. His anything that comes to me, he will sign, negotiates to much into the dem's and RINO's favor. My biggest worry is the RINO's in the Senate.

Rep's need to include the wall, train migration, the lottery.  I'll compromise on a partial wall, only on the contiguous land boundary, but on the river we can install other forms of protection. 

The idea of DACA in the future should be denied. In the future there should be no more DACA'S. Whatever compromise is given regarding DACA's there should also be a lengthy time, 10years, before they can become citizens, or better, though not likely, no citizenship at all.   Those parents that might still come illegally in the future should have no hope of any protection for so-called  innocents.  We should also put a much smaller amount of legal entries from Mexico since we have such an abundance currently or put a five year ban from Mexico.   This will enhance assimilation.

While they're at it, why not include clarification of "natural birth. Anchor babies are not citizens.  Establish English as official language. I'm tired of paying taxes to pay for translators and additional cost to goods when manufacturers seem to want to include multi-languages  in their manuals.  If you desire to be here, learn English.

No amnesty for anyone else, now or in the future.

It was good to see the enforcement of e-verify with the huge raid on 7-11s for illegal employees.

Not to worry Dave. Trump knows what he is doing. He has figured out congress and knows the "Freedom Caucus" will never allow anything to get to him without border protection.
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Re: DACA Thread
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2018, 09:32:41 AM »
Interesting take.


Trump’s “DACA” Meeting: Another Mission Accomplished

Wait, what?  Yes, that meeting yesterday was not in any way about solving the nation’s immigration problems.  The President is not naive – he is keenly aware that these particular Republicans and these particular Democrats are never, never, ever going to come to any agreement over an approach to the immigration problems facing this country.  Which is why he knew he could sit there and tell them “I’ll sign whatever you bring me” in terms of a comprehensive immigration bill without worrying about ever having to actually do such a thing.

http://dbdailyupdate.com/index.php/2018/01/10/trumps-daca-meeting-another-mission-accomplished/
Just like I said in the OP.

"I have no idea what Trump will do, I hear him say "I'll sign any Bill Congress sends me", pundits say he's going back on his word.
But when you look at his track record, this almost comes off as a tactic for negotiation."

Yep, it was all part of his initial plan. :thumbsup:
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2018, 03:02:54 AM »
Just like I said in the OP.

"I have no idea what Trump will do, I hear him say "I'll sign any Bill Congress sends me", pundits say he's going back on his word.
But when you look at his track record, this almost comes off as a tactic for negotiation."

Yep, it was all part of his initial plan. :thumbsup:

Thanks for giving -ME- some hope, Solar.   IMO, what he said has all the touchy-feeling stuff I'd expect from his daughter, Ivanka.
On the other hand, the "Sh!thole" comment I'd immediately attribute to President Trump (Libs hate that) and whole heartedly agree with him, he absolutely called it right
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2018, 04:52:42 AM »
Thanks for giving -ME- some hope, Solar.   IMO, what he said has all the touchy-feeling stuff I'd expect from his daughter, Ivanka.
On the other hand, the "Sh!thole" comment I'd immediately attribute to President Trump (Libs hate that) and whole heartedly agree with him, he absolutely called it right
Yeah, he did the very same thing with Commiecare, told Congress, "Send me something, I'm ready to sign", but the Conservative Caucus refused to budge.
It's as if Trump is taunting the RINO to produce something, anything, "I Dare You", kind of thing, because he knows they're completely incompetent with all the RINO bailing.
He started this right after the election, which gave the base the shits, but it was as if, he knew very clearly the RINO couldn't organize a bingo game, let alone pass more than one single Bill his entire first year.
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Re: DACA Thread
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2018, 05:54:09 AM »
Trump knows EXACTLY what is in these bills and know EXACTLY how many votes are for and against it before he says stuff like this. I tell you he is playing people, the media mostly and Dem constituency as a whole.

This "SHithole" comment is hilarious, he is exactly right and he knew that terminology would send the Dems into a fit of idiocy which it has.

PS....notice how "Wolfes' Book" is no longer the topic du Jour after the "Shithole" comment?
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