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Title: DACA Thread
Post by: Solar on January 10, 2018, 05:38:11 AM
I have no idea what Trump will do, I hear him say "I'll sign any Bill Congress sends me", pundits say he's going back on his word.
But when you look at his track record, this almost comes off as a tactic for negotiation.

What do you think will happen here? He did, after all, promise to send them all back during his campaign.


President Donald Trump decided to allow the press pool to film a lengthy meeting Tuesday on immigration reform, where he has allegedly made a deal with Congressional Republicans and Democrats on the parameters of immigration reform.

QuoteWhite House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders confirmed the deal in an official statement ahead of a press briefing Tuesday afternoon: "President Donald J. Trump just concluded a successful bipartisan and bicameral meeting on immigration reform. During the closed-door portion of the meeting, they reached an agreement to negotiate legislation that accomplishes critically needed reforms in four high-priority areas: border security, chain migration, the visa lottery, and the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals [DACA] policy."

Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn (R-Texas) confirmed that he, Rep. Kevin McCarthy, Sen. Dick Durbin and House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer have been tasked with coming up with a timeline for turning the framework into a bill ahead of the March 5 deadline.

"If you want to take it that further step, I'll take the heat," Trump told Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina at the meeting. "You are not that far away from comprehensive immigration reform."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/01/09/full_replay_president_trump_makes_a_deal_on_immigration_reform.html


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Title: Re: DACA Thread
Post by: Billy's bayonet on January 10, 2018, 07:33:07 AM
Trump is playing them, he knows the Dems will never back the wall or other immigration reform, even with concessions on DACA....the question is how about the RINO's?
Title: Re: DACA Thread
Post by: Solar on January 10, 2018, 07:55:59 AM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on January 10, 2018, 07:33:07 AM
Trump is playing them, he knows the Dems will never back the wall or other immigration reform, even with concessions on DACA....the question is how about the RINO's?
That's how it looks to me too, based on his track record so far, and I think he is using the Wall as a bargaining tactic.
Considering Congress passed the law under Bush, all he has to do is wrangle funding from Mexico or some other source for funding beyond the reach of Congress, so that leaves Dims capitulating on DACA.
Now considering DACA is merely a play by the left, in that it means "Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, all Trump has to do is reinstate it vie Executive Order.

This is going to be interesting, no doubt.
Title: Re: DACA Thread
Post by: supsalemgr on January 10, 2018, 07:56:59 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 10, 2018, 05:38:11 AM
I have no idea what Trump will do, I hear him say "I'll sign any Bill Congress sends me", pundits say he's going back on his word.
But when you look at his track record, this almost comes off as a tactic for negotiation.

What do you think will happen here? He did, after all, promise to send them all back during his campaign.


President Donald Trump decided to allow the press pool to film a lengthy meeting Tuesday on immigration reform, where he has allegedly made a deal with Congressional Republicans and Democrats on the parameters of immigration reform.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/01/09/full_replay_president_trump_makes_a_deal_on_immigration_reform.html

Trump has figured out he can take this approach. Why? He knows he has the "Freedom Caucus" who will not go for a full blown surrender to the democrats.
Title: Re: DACA Thread
Post by: Solar on January 10, 2018, 07:59:56 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 10, 2018, 07:56:59 AM
Trump has figured out he can take this approach. Why? He knows he has the "Freedom Caucus" who will not go for a full blown surrender to the democrats.
Yep, and based on the fact Congress only managed one Bill in Trump's first term, obviously the Freedom Caucus held the Establishments feet to the fire. :thumbup:
Title: Re: DACA Thread
Post by: Hoofer on January 10, 2018, 01:47:27 PM
Simply put, I do NOT trust Trump on DACA.  Words mean things to me, he's being really direct in his language - the Democrats were couching their language in feelings and lies, we know what they want.

President Trump (Libs hate that), made a campaign promise, build the wall, end DACA, etc., and nothing is being done.   There is ONE good thing, enforcement of the law regarding the employers hiring illegal aliens, BUT.... and a huge BUT, this is stuff that's suppose to have been happening, and hasn't been.

I'm very skeptical, what I heard was clearly not reflective of Trump's campaign talk.
Title: Re: DACA Thread
Post by: Solar on January 11, 2018, 04:53:37 AM
Interesting take.


Trump's "DACA" Meeting: Another Mission Accomplished

Wait, what?  Yes, that meeting yesterday was not in any way about solving the nation's immigration problems.  The President is not naive – he is keenly aware that these particular Republicans and these particular Democrats are never, never, ever going to come to any agreement over an approach to the immigration problems facing this country.  Which is why he knew he could sit there and tell them "I'll sign whatever you bring me" in terms of a comprehensive immigration bill without worrying about ever having to actually do such a thing.

This is especially true with Trump's one provision that any agreement on DACA or a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants already in the country must include the building of a border wall, and the elimination of chain migration.  He made that crystal clear at the beginning of the meeting, and reiterated it again with tweets afterwards.  Those are deal killers for Democrats, whose one and only interest in all of this is maximizing illegal immigration with the goal of ultimately turning them all into Democrat voters.

Thus, Donald Trump knew he could sit in that meeting a let them all bicker with one another without ever having to worry about actually seeing a comprehensive immigration bill come to his desk.  Which means that all the hysteria from Ann Coulter and the rest of the anti-immigration right we saw last night and will see again today about the President somehow going back on his campaign promises is meaningless blather from people who also still do not understand how Donald Trump operates.

So, then, what was the meeting all about?  Well, it was about demonstrating clearly, without any question at all, that Donald Trump is in complete control of his mental faculties, does not have dementia, and is clearly capable of carrying out the duties of being President of the United States. 

It was about conclusively and effectively refuting these treasonous allegations that have been made ad nauseum by Democrats and in the fake news media since the publication of Michael Wolff's gossip novel.   After all, if the guy who was clearly in complete control of that meeting is mentally deficient, what does that make all the politicians in the room who were clearly subservient to him?
That, my friends, is the one and only thing that meeting yesterday was about, at least from Donald Trump's perspective.
Mission accomplished.

http://dbdailyupdate.com/index.php/2018/01/10/trumps-daca-meeting-another-mission-accomplished/
Title: Re: DACA Thread
Post by: Dave on January 11, 2018, 08:36:42 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 11, 2018, 04:53:37 AM

you bring me" in terms of a comprehensive immigration bill without worrying about ever having to actually do such a thing.[/b]

This is especially true with Trump's one provision that any agreement on DACA or a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants already in the country must include the building of a border wall, and the elimination of chain migration.  He made that crystal clear at the beginning of the meeting, and reiterated it again with tweets afterwards.  Those are deal killers for Democrats, whose one and only interest in all of this is maximizing illegal immigration with the goal of ultimately turning them all into Democrat voters.

I'm not so concerned with Trump. His anything that comes to me, he will sign, negotiates to much into the dem's and RINO's favor. My biggest worry is the RINO's in the Senate.

Rep's need to include the wall, train migration, the lottery.  I'll compromise on a partial wall, only on the contiguous land boundary, but on the river we can install other forms of protection. 

The idea of DACA in the future should be denied. In the future there should be no more DACA'S. Whatever compromise is given regarding DACA's there should also be a lengthy time, 10years, before they can become citizens, or better, though not likely, no citizenship at all.   Those parents that might still come illegally in the future should have no hope of any protection for so-called  innocents.  We should also put a much smaller amount of legal entries from Mexico since we have such an abundance currently or put a five year ban from Mexico.   This will enhance assimilation.

While they're at it, why not include clarification of "natural birth. Anchor babies are not citizens.  Establish English as official language. I'm tired of paying taxes to pay for translators and additional cost to goods when manufacturers seem to want to include multi-languages  in their manuals.  If you desire to be here, learn English.

No amnesty for anyone else, now or in the future.

It was good to see the enforcement of e-verify with the huge raid on 7-11s for illegal employees. 




Title: Re: DACA Thread
Post by: AndyJackson on January 11, 2018, 08:58:43 AM
Trump knocked out the "insane" foolishness by looking sharp and presidential.  NTM looking totally "reach across the aisle".

He knocked the Wolff book off the stage / front page.

He gave them DACA, which he was already giving them anyway, and gets the 3 big items in trade (kill chain / lottery + wall).  The Negotiator.

If the dems don't accept it, they lose big for the next year.  Just like tax reform.  They are burying themselves even worse than they already have been.

He totally cut out the press and dem / DNC filters (spin) of what's going on.  America saw it clean and clear.

He gave the GOP control of the process, and marginalized the dems.

All in all, a helluva play, aces all the way.
Title: Re: DACA Thread
Post by: supsalemgr on January 11, 2018, 09:13:28 AM
Quote from: Dave on January 11, 2018, 08:36:42 AM
I'm not so concerned with Trump. His anything that comes to me, he will sign, negotiates to much into the dem's and RINO's favor. My biggest worry is the RINO's in the Senate.

Rep's need to include the wall, train migration, the lottery.  I'll compromise on a partial wall, only on the contiguous land boundary, but on the river we can install other forms of protection. 

The idea of DACA in the future should be denied. In the future there should be no more DACA'S. Whatever compromise is given regarding DACA's there should also be a lengthy time, 10years, before they can become citizens, or better, though not likely, no citizenship at all.   Those parents that might still come illegally in the future should have no hope of any protection for so-called  innocents.  We should also put a much smaller amount of legal entries from Mexico since we have such an abundance currently or put a five year ban from Mexico.   This will enhance assimilation.

While they're at it, why not include clarification of "natural birth. Anchor babies are not citizens.  Establish English as official language. I'm tired of paying taxes to pay for translators and additional cost to goods when manufacturers seem to want to include multi-languages  in their manuals.  If you desire to be here, learn English.

No amnesty for anyone else, now or in the future.

It was good to see the enforcement of e-verify with the huge raid on 7-11s for illegal employees.

Not to worry Dave. Trump knows what he is doing. He has figured out congress and knows the "Freedom Caucus" will never allow anything to get to him without border protection.
Title: Re: DACA Thread
Post by: Solar on January 11, 2018, 09:32:41 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 11, 2018, 04:53:37 AM
Interesting take.


Trump's "DACA" Meeting: Another Mission Accomplished

Wait, what?  Yes, that meeting yesterday was not in any way about solving the nation's immigration problems.  The President is not naive – he is keenly aware that these particular Republicans and these particular Democrats are never, never, ever going to come to any agreement over an approach to the immigration problems facing this country.  Which is why he knew he could sit there and tell them "I'll sign whatever you bring me" in terms of a comprehensive immigration bill without worrying about ever having to actually do such a thing.

http://dbdailyupdate.com/index.php/2018/01/10/trumps-daca-meeting-another-mission-accomplished/
Just like I said in the OP.

"I have no idea what Trump will do, I hear him say "I'll sign any Bill Congress sends me", pundits say he's going back on his word.
But when you look at his track record, this almost comes off as a tactic for negotiation."

Yep, it was all part of his initial plan. :thumbsup:
Title: The Truth About DACA: The reality of demographic change
Post by: TomBinnz on January 11, 2018, 04:23:49 PM
The Truth About DACA: The reality of demographic change

https://youtu.be/gWURolOH6wI
Title: Re: DACA Thread
Post by: Hoofer on January 12, 2018, 03:02:54 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 11, 2018, 09:32:41 AM
Just like I said in the OP.

"I have no idea what Trump will do, I hear him say "I'll sign any Bill Congress sends me", pundits say he's going back on his word.
But when you look at his track record, this almost comes off as a tactic for negotiation."

Yep, it was all part of his initial plan. :thumbsup:

Thanks for giving -ME- some hope, Solar.   IMO, what he said has all the touchy-feeling stuff I'd expect from his daughter, Ivanka.
On the other hand, the "Sh!thole" comment I'd immediately attribute to President Trump (Libs hate that) and whole heartedly agree with him, he absolutely called it right
Title: Re: DACA Thread
Post by: Solar on January 12, 2018, 04:52:42 AM
Quote from: Hoofer on January 12, 2018, 03:02:54 AM
Thanks for giving -ME- some hope, Solar.   IMO, what he said has all the touchy-feeling stuff I'd expect from his daughter, Ivanka.
On the other hand, the "Sh!thole" comment I'd immediately attribute to President Trump (Libs hate that) and whole heartedly agree with him, he absolutely called it right
Yeah, he did the very same thing with Commiecare, told Congress, "Send me something, I'm ready to sign", but the Conservative Caucus refused to budge.
It's as if Trump is taunting the RINO to produce something, anything, "I Dare You", kind of thing, because he knows they're completely incompetent with all the RINO bailing.
He started this right after the election, which gave the base the shits, but it was as if, he knew very clearly the RINO couldn't organize a bingo game, let alone pass more than one single Bill his entire first year.
Title: Re: DACA Thread
Post by: Billy's bayonet on January 12, 2018, 05:54:09 AM
Trump knows EXACTLY what is in these bills and know EXACTLY how many votes are for and against it before he says stuff like this. I tell you he is playing people, the media mostly and Dem constituency as a whole.

This "SHithole" comment is hilarious, he is exactly right and he knew that terminology would send the Dems into a fit of idiocy which it has.

PS....notice how "Wolfes' Book" is no longer the topic du Jour after the "Shithole" comment?
Title: Re: DACA Thread
Post by: Solar on January 12, 2018, 06:02:16 AM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on January 12, 2018, 05:54:09 AM
Trump knows EXACTLY what is in these bills and know EXACTLY how many votes are for and against it before he says stuff like this. I tell you he is playing people, the media mostly and Dem constituency as a whole.

This "SHithole" comment is hilarious, he is exactly right and he knew that terminology would send the Dems into a fit of idiocy which it has.

PS....notice how "Wolfes' Book" is no longer the topic du Jour after the "Shithole" comment?
Proof the LSM no longer controls the narrative.
I'd be willing to bet the Trump WH has a long list of agenda items for the next year and how they are going to lead the left around by the nose by dropping them like breadcrumbs for ducks, and not once will the media look up to see what's waiting around the corner.

Trump really is a master at playings fools.
Title: Re: DACA Thread
Post by: Bronx on January 15, 2018, 05:37:55 AM
IMO....the answer lies in President Trump's action on DAPA. Both DAPA and DACA go hand in hand in a two for one sort of way.

I believe DAPA was President Trump's trail run for DACA. It's just a matter of when to piss off of the democrats.

Here is an old article about Trump and DAPA.....

Trump Rolls Back DAPA
https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2017/06/trump-rolls-back-dapa-program/530571/

Title: Re: DACA Thread
Post by: Hoofer on January 21, 2018, 05:44:58 AM
In related Immigration news....  ICE has started rounding up the activists, and is getting ready to deport them.   Take Mr. Ragbir for instance, a nice, well mannered, well groomed, individual... 

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn01.dailycaller.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F01%2FRagbir-e1516473174475.jpg&hash=3ecec663afb9fe3fef654f15cac0677ae6b85b2e)

http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/20/ice-deporting-high-profile-immigrants/
QuoteImmigration authorities have detained in recent weeks two prominent activists who are themselves illegal immigrants, demonstrating the Trump administration's commitment to expand the pool of deportable aliens.

Here's a novel idea... deport the activists, and let them turn their little S...hole country into a Utopian Socialist Paradise!   They're really nice people, right... just wanting a better life for themselves and a safe place to raise their families...???

Quote"Like Jean [Montrevil] and thousands of other immigrants caught in ICE raids, Ravi threatens no one," she wrote in a New York Times op-ed published Thursday. "On the contrary, he and other immigrant leaders have lead their communities with dignity and courage during a brutal time.

Brutal time...?   Really?   I thought everything was peachy keen under Obama, according to the Libs, and Trump is just ruining the country - maybe they're admitting, LIFE SUCKED under OBAMA!?

QuoteRagbir's fellow immigration activists have painted his arrest as an "arbitrary and cruel" detention. Alina Das, Ragbir's attorney, says he would not have been targeted under the Obama administration, which prioritized deportation of illegal immigrants who were public safety threats or who had committed "serious" crimes.

The severity of Ragbir's offense is debatable, but his conviction for wire fraud in a $400,000 mortgage embezzlement scheme was upheld in in 2002 by 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Maryanne Trump Barry, President Donald Trump's sister. Since that ruling, Ragbir has used his prominence in the activist community to successfully obtain several stays of removal. But the Trump administration's more expansive immigration enforcement priorities appear to have closed the door for good.

Equal Justice under the Law - and this criminal has used his prominence to skirt justice in America.   $400,000 mortgage embezzlement can utterly RUIN the average American citizen's life, wipe out their retirement savings, and completely devastate their financial well being - taking everything they've worked and saved for.  The guy is a damn thief!

QuoteBoth men are leaders of the New Sanctuary Coalition of New York City, a network of religious and social organizations that works to prevent the detention and deportation of illegal immigrants. ICE officers first detained Jean Montrevil, a Haitian national who had lived in the U.S. since 1986 despite having served a prison term for drug possession that resulted in a deportation order.

Montrevil, who co-founded the New Sanctuary coalition, was taken into custody in early January near his home in Queens, touching off a firestorm of protest. Activists accused ICE of breaking an "understanding" that Montrevil would not be arrested while he appealed his order of removal. Despite the public outcry, ICE deported Montrevil to Haiti on Tuesday.

Yeah, they had an "understanding" - per Obama, ICE was suppose to 'look the other way' and not deport DRUG DEALERS like Montrevil... just the violent dudes get deported like... well, guys that shoot innocent girls in San Francisco, and you know... he was just a dummy who had never seen a gun before, and whatever...  Oh, that's right, he hasn't been deported either!?


So much for Open Borders, aka, George Soros bunch.   These are the kinds of people you can find on his pay-roll, I'll bet!   DACA isn't about helping the poor, downtrodden, children and women, it's about destroying the rule of Law in America, and allowing Political Activists with criminal convictions to roam free, endangering all of us!



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Title: Cnn Asks Dims How's Trump Doing First Year
Post by: Solar on January 21, 2018, 09:20:05 AM
Must watch... :thumbsup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDfBbtCHL10
Title: Re: DACA Thread
Post by: supsalemgr on January 21, 2018, 09:47:01 AM
WOW! Did CNN actually air that? In my view it sums up the "silent majority".
Title: Re: DACA Thread
Post by: Solar on January 21, 2018, 10:04:58 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 21, 2018, 09:47:01 AM
WOW! Did CNN actually air that? In my view it sums up the "silent majority".
:biggrin:
Exactly! I find it interesting they even bothered to do the interview, but no doubt it is a reflection of reality.
I don't remember CNN doing a Pub video like this when the Marxist took office. :biggrin:
Title: Re: DACA Thread
Post by: supsalemgr on January 21, 2018, 10:09:57 AM
http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/14/news/economy/beattyville-kentucky-trump-voters/index.html?sr=fbmoney012118beattyville-kentucky-trump-voters0435PMVODtopLink&linkId=47050387

I just ran across this from CNN as well. What is going on at CNN. Could all of Trump's "fake news" claims be having an impact? I found this piece interesting in that these are the "deplorables" Hillary was referring to. They have more insight into reality than any of the coastal elitists who look down at these type folks.
Title: Re: Cnn Asks Dims How's Trump Doing First Year
Post by: Hoofer on January 21, 2018, 10:23:30 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 21, 2018, 09:20:05 AM
Must watch... :thumbsup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDfBbtCHL10

When your ratings keep sliding into the toilet, and nobody's watching... sooner or later, ya gotta start looking at the bottom line, and make some adjustments.   In this case, I'd say it's a one-off, CNN isn't gonna switch to a Pro-American stance....  they're probably befuddled, for the last year they've been pumping the anti-Trump crap out, and it's not changing minds.  I watched this and wondered if CNN isn't huddling around the conference table, asking each other, "What are we doing wrong?   How do we get through to middle America?"

http://freebeacon.com/politics/reporter-people-dont-care-about-russia-investigation-cnn/
Case in point.  CNN's attempt to drive the narrative, and it's not hitting home.
QuoteCNN reporter Maeve Reston said Sunday that the news network only seems to talk about the Russia investigation and the average American voters tell her that they "don't care" about it.

CNN's coverage over the last year has focused heavily on special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into whether Donald Trump's presidential campaign colluded with the Kremlin to win the 2016 election.

Reston said on "Inside Politics" that fears about the economy appeared to be evaporating in the electorate.

Title: Re: Cnn Asks Dims How's Trump Doing First Year
Post by: Solar on January 21, 2018, 10:44:03 AM
Quote from: Hoofer on January 21, 2018, 10:23:30 AM
When your ratings keep sliding into the toilet, and nobody's watching... sooner or later, ya gotta start looking at the bottom line, and make some adjustments.   In this case, I'd say it's a one-off, CNN isn't gonna switch to a Pro-American stance....  they're probably befuddled, for the last year they've been pumping the anti-Trump crap out, and it's not changing minds.  I watched this and wondered if CNN isn't huddling around the conference table, asking each other, "What are we doing wrong?   How do we get through to middle America?"

http://freebeacon.com/politics/reporter-people-dont-care-about-russia-investigation-cnn/
Case in point.  CNN's attempt to drive the narrative, and it's not hitting home.

I  saw that one too and debated posting it instead. I think these touch on what Super was talking about.
Is CNN finally realizing that 90% of their news was all about attacking Trump? It's one thing to be biased, but to actually be an arm of the DNC turns off more than half the nation, even libs want more than opinion, they are desperate for facts, especially when they see us and other Conservatives exposing just how stupid they've been for watching one news source, or any leftist media, for that, matter.

At some point, everyone begins questioning if they are really advocates for this Nation, or simply a mouthpiece of the DNC and Soros?
I think millions came to the conclusion, that if they want the truth, CNN is not going to give it to them.
Obviously, Trump's Fake News Awards hit a nerve, but regardless of the crumbs they throw to the Right, they'll never be a trusted news source unless they come clean and apologize for all the lies.