Quote from: kalash on June 09, 2014, 02:54:15 PM
Coupla points.
About Lend-Lease.
When in 1941 the U.S. ambassador to the USSR Harriman returned from Moscow, Roosevelt looked at list of what Stalin sought from Lend-Lease. After reading i was relieved: "Thank God! This man is most certainly will  win the battle! Anyone else in his place would requested guns, ammunition, tanks and aircraft. And this stuff we ourselves don't have  much. Stalin  requires molybdenum for aircraft, locomotives and cars, armor and barbed wire! He will do for his army the right weapon. Great man! " And the Soviet people did everything necessary for the front.

From May 1942 to May 1945 labor productivity in Soviet industry as a whole grew by 43%, and in the defense industry - 121%. In 1944, the cost of all kinds of military products was on average 2 times lower than in 1940. Economic effect of  decline of the cost for 1941 - 1944 years amounted to almost half of all expenditures of the state budget of the USSR to the military in 1942. And  this was great achievement, especially of Soviet scientists and engineers that continuously improve the production technology and introducing mechanization and automation in production processes.

Per thousand tons of steel produced at defense plants produced 5 times more tanks and artillery pieces, and on one thousand machine tools - 8 times more aircraft than in the German industry. Incidentally, never more economy of the Soviet Union, especially in the post-Stalin period, so effectively worked.

In comparison with the volume of production of the Soviet Union, Lend-Lease shipments amounted to: canons - 1.4%, Aviation - 9.8% in tanks and self-propelled guns - 6.2%. Even more striking comparison looks on Small Arms and ammunition. In comparison to that Soviet industry produced, Lend-Lease amounted to: sub machine guns - 1.7% on handguns - 0.8%, in shells - 0.6%, Mines - 0.1%. That is all the necessary means of warfare, the Red Army has been achieved through the heroic labor of the workers of the Soviet rear and exceptional efficiency of the Soviet economy.

The share of supply of industrial products allies during World War II was - 4% of domestic production, and imports of grain, flour and cereals in grain - 2.8% of average annual harvesting grain in the USSR. On the basis of these data, it is evident that supply by allies certainly helped, but represented a small portion of production in the Soviet Union due to its insignificance could not affect the outcome of the war.

During the war the U.S. supplied to the USSR goods by 9.8 billion dollars. According to the pre-war rate of the ruble - is 21.6 billion rubles. By the end of the war 92% of this amount was paid. Who paid? Soviet people, who during the war have subscribed to war loans in the amount of 76 billion rubles, plus donations to the Defense Fund 17.8 billion rubles. So that the Lend-Lease was actually commercial supplies and paying for it is not by "good old uncle Sam" from the U.S. government, but Soviet people.

Remained unpaid supplies worth 722 million dollars. However, back in 1947-1948 and 1951-1952 years.,  still under Stalin, between the Soviet Union and the United States were negotiated settlement of the Lend-Lease. USSR returned part of the property acquired and offered to pay the remainder. However, the parties were unable to agree on the value of the payment, as the U.S. is significantly overstated it.

In addition, the problem boils down to and disagreement about what, exactly, to pay. The reason was that Stalin wanted to use as payment  royal gold, which was secretly shipped to the United States both before 1917 and in the course of foreign intervention, during the Civil War. And it must be said, a huge amount of gold. U.S.  arrogated to themselves this gold and agreed to consider it only as a possible contribution of the USSR to the International Monetary Fund. And it did not suit the USSR. And in the end pay 722 million dollars hung until the late 80-ies of the last century. These are the principal contribution to the clarification of the allied victory over fascism.

And then who could defeat fascism, the best Winston Churchill said at the height of the Battle of Stalingrad: "... I get up in the morning and pray that Stalin was alive and well. Stalin alone can save the world. "

We have a true Soviet man on board.

Quote from: TboneAgain on June 09, 2014, 05:28:02 PM
We have a true Soviet man on board.

To tell facts, that you don't like, means to be soviet? Well, at least not nazi...Thanks for that!

Quote from: kalash on June 09, 2014, 06:20:22 PM
To tell facts, that you don't like, means to be soviet? Well, at least not nazi...Thanks for that!

Take away more than 4,000 Sherman tanks. (Yeah, they weren't much, but neither were the T-34.) Take away the 13,000 aircraft. Take away the gasoline and the food. Take away the 400,000-plus wheeled and tracked vehicles delivered to the Soviet Union from 1942-1944. Take away all the rifles and machine guns and the millions and millions of bullets.

Now tell me how things turn out.

Speaking things I don't like doesn't make you a "true Soviet man." Lying does.

Quote from: TboneAgain on June 09, 2014, 05:28:02 PM
We have a true Soviet man on board.

Did you doubt it for a moment?

Quote from: TboneAgain on June 09, 2014, 06:30:15 PM
Take away more than 4,000 Sherman tanks. (Yeah, they weren't much, but neither were the T-34.)

O.K. Let's see about them tanks. This is soviet  production of  the tank T-34 (by the way the best tank of WWII, and this is not just my opinion)
1941 г. - 2996
1942 г. - 12527
1943 г. - 15821
1944 г. - 14648
1945 г. - 12551
Total comes to 58553. And this is ONLY T-34. There was heavy tank KV, heavy tanks IS-1 and IS-2 and selfpropelled guns.... Тotal number comes to 90000.
Lend Lease of course, was a help. But in the worst years of war, 1941 and 1942 supply was limited. In quantities it start arriving in 1943, when tide of the war was already turned. Battle of Moscow, Stalingrad, Battle of Kursk, that's where destiny of WWII was decided.
P.S. During the war USSR produced about 120 000 air plains.

Quote from: kalash on June 09, 2014, 02:54:15 PM


And then who could defeat fascism, the best Winston Churchill said at the height of the Battle of Stalingrad: "... I get up in the morning and pray that Stalin was alive and well. Stalin alone can save the world. "

I've heard this a couple of times, yet no one has ever produced proof he said it, but I bet you can.

Quote from: Solar on June 10, 2014, 05:29:25 AM
I've heard this a couple of times, yet no one has ever produced proof he said it, but I bet you can.

I've got an Obama buck that says he can't.

Quote from: Harry on June 10, 2014, 05:50:16 AM
I've got an Obama buck that says he can't.

I suppose his idea of proof will have an .RU suffix on the link......

Quote from: Harry on June 10, 2014, 05:50:16 AM
I've got an Obama buck that says he can't.

Just like his proof that the USSR invented the telephone and a myriad of other inventions exclusive to our evil Capitalist Nation.

Quote from: quiller on June 10, 2014, 09:39:24 AM
I suppose his idea of proof will have an .RU suffix on the link......

Quote from: quiller on June 10, 2014, 09:39:24 AM
I suppose his idea of proof will have an .RU suffix on the link......

Quote from: Solar on June 10, 2014, 09:40:22 AM
 
Just like his proof that the USSR invented the telephone and a myriad of other inventions exclusive to our evil Capitalist Nation.

Remember the old Star Trek episodes with Chekov?....   

Quote from: quiller on June 10, 2014, 09:57:43 AM
Remember the old Star Trek episodes with Chekov?....   

They invented warp drive as well?

Quote from: Solar on June 10, 2014, 09:59:36 AM

They invented warp drive as well?

Yes, yes they did.

Quote from: Harry on June 10, 2014, 10:00:11 AM
Yes, yes they did.

True story. I dated this girl about 40 years ago, she introduced me to her parents, Russian immigrants.
They were hardcore Dims, while watching TV, there was a program about the Apollo space program showing astronauts training for weightlessness in a 747.
He actually screamed "USA stole that technology from Russia".
I asked what tech was that? He said the anti-gravity machine. I explained there is no such tech, that they are training in a 747.
He said, "Bull Sheeet"! 

Typical lib.....