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Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2016, 04:21:37 PM »
Here's the take by a professor of law who I think I would believe before you until you show me your credentials (most likely ignorant and gullible as well eh?):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ted-cruz-is-not-eligible-to-be-president/2016/01/12/1484a7d0-b7af-11e5-99f3-184bc379b12d_story.html
Here's how it works, I won't do your work for you, you copy and paste the pertiniet part, and I'll address your question.
As to your nonsense about being credentialed? The Founders wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights so any 8th grader could understand it.
Says a lot about your intellectual capacity, sadly.
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Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2016, 04:44:16 PM »
Here's how it works, I won't do your work for you, you copy and paste the pertiniet part, and I'll address your question.
As to your nonsense about being credentialed? The Founders wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights so any 8th grader could understand it.
Says a lot about your intellectual capacity, sadly.

This is how I work, regardless of your "parameters". If the way I work bothers you, just ignore me. I'll do the same for you. There's indecision regarding credentialing...FACT. Only you believe this is not so (the intellect).  :rolleyes: Got sore spots?
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Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2016, 05:03:16 PM »
Washington post opinion VS Constitution.

Constitution wins!
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Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2016, 05:16:56 PM »
Washington post opinion VS Constitution.

Constitution wins!

Agreed. But parts are often the subject of interpretation by the court, correct?
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Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2016, 05:45:10 PM »
This is how I work, regardless of your "parameters". If the way I work bothers you, just ignore me. I'll do the same for you. There's indecision regarding credentialing...FACT. Only you believe this is not so (the intellect).  :rolleyes: Got sore spots?
Wrong son, that's not how debate works. I proved Cruz is an NBC via Constitutional law, so the onus is on you to prove me wrong.
If you are unable to debate, I suggest you find another forum.

Got it?
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Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2016, 07:51:41 PM »
Agreed. But parts are often the subject of interpretation by the court, correct?

Parts? Explain 'parts'.
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Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2016, 04:55:30 AM »
No, Solar has not answered. He side-stepped the evidence I provided. Trump hasn't conferred with me about his plans as yet. Sorry, I'm not in his circle, so I am remiss in my ability to answer your questions. Honestly is the best policy. But Cruz scares me when he asks Jesus to rise and assist him with the election.

Talk about dodging. Nice attempt to side step the fact Trump has no plan and you have been caught.
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Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2016, 05:31:06 AM »
Parts? Explain 'parts'.
He can't. He posted on a subject he knows absolutely nothing about, a subject he should have learned in the govt processing center, but by no fault of his own, was kept ignorant for this very reason, so he wouldn't be able to make the right decisions for his future when the time came.

Well, that time has arrived, and here he is, a fish out of water, voting for the fisherman to run the sea.
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Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2016, 05:58:13 AM »
Agreed. But parts are often the subject of interpretation by the court, correct?
No. You are incorrect.

The Supremes do not interpret just parts of the Constitution.

The Supremes interpret all of the Constitution as the highest law of the land.

And that Court, The Supreme Court of the United States.

Have in the past, already interpreted the pertinent parts of our Constituiton.

Want to know what they said? Want to know what their past rulings say on the matter?

In a nutshell the supremes in the past have said.

Senator Cruz is right.

Mr. Trump and his merry band of Birther Trumpettes are wrong.

http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/

End of this non-story, Trump and his merry band of trumpette's have made up.
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Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2016, 06:59:57 AM »
Why would anyone entertain something as ludicrous as "Do you still beat your wife"?
Even though you were never married?
To even consider this is literally entertaining the idiocy of a sociopath.

What??  This is such transparent attempt of diversion with absurd, irrelevant, and totally inappropriate analogy!  Rather than dirtying your hands slinging mud when you can't make a cogent response, you might try making a point.  The birth issue with Cruz will not go away as long as he is in the race, or if elected.  Postponing a massive legal fight until it creates a Constitutional crisis is really stupid.  Sticking your head in the sand and pretending the issue doesn't exist isn't very bright.  It's far past time to get this issue settled, once and for all.
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Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2016, 07:10:36 AM »
What??  This is such transparent attempt of diversion with absurd, irrelevant, and totally inappropriate analogy!  Rather than dirtying your hands slinging mud when you can't make a cogent response, you might try making a point.  The birth issue with Cruz will not go away as long as he is in the race, or if elected.  Postponing a massive legal fight until it creates a Constitutional crisis is really stupid.  Sticking your head in the sand and pretending the issue doesn't exist isn't very bright.  It's far past time to get this issue settled, once and for all.
Again, don't be a tool of the left. This is a moot point, but Trump found a willing media to carry his idiocy as if it actually has gravity.
I'll repeat the law, and see if you have the intellectual capacity to figure out what the Founders meant.
And note the absence of Native born.

Ted Cruz is a Natural Born Citizen as per our Constitution.
Like it or not, it was the 14th Amendment that made that possible.
Here is the short reference, but I'll go into detail for those wanting to understand the truth.

a. Section 1993 (48 Stat. 797) was amended by the Act of May 24, 1934, to permit American women to transmit U.S. citizenship to their children born abroad, regardless of the father’s citizenship.

b. The amended Section 1993 was in effect from May 24, 1934, at noon Eastern Standard Time until January 12, 1941. The text of the amended law is shown in 7 FAM 1135.6-1. It was repealed, and superseded by the Nationality Act of

In 1868 the Fourteenth Amendment as follows...
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Article I, section 8, clause 4 of the United States Constitution expressly gives the United States Congress the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.

Only natural born citizens are eligible to serve as President of the United States or as Vice President. Though the text of the Constitution does not define the meaning of natural born, in particular it does not specify  any distinction to be made between people whose citizenship is based on jus sanguinis [parentage] or those whose citizenship was based on jus soli [place of birth]

So here's the thing, Cruz was born to an American mother beyond the sea, and according to the Constitution, her afforded Rights allows her to pass on citizenship Rights to her son.
Hope this clears things up.

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Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2016, 09:14:49 AM »
Again, don't be a tool of the left. This is a moot point, but Trump found a willing media to carry his idiocy as if it actually has gravity.
I'll repeat the law, and see if you have the intellectual capacity to figure out what the Founders meant.
And note the absence of Native born.

Ted Cruz is a Natural Born Citizen as per our Constitution.
Like it or not, it was the 14th Amendment that made that possible.
Here is the short reference, but I'll go into detail for those wanting to understand the truth.

a. Section 1993 (48 Stat. 797) was amended by the Act of May 24, 1934, to permit American women to transmit U.S. citizenship to their children born abroad, regardless of the father’s citizenship.

b. The amended Section 1993 was in effect from May 24, 1934, at noon Eastern Standard Time until January 12, 1941. The text of the amended law is shown in 7 FAM 1135.6-1. It was repealed, and superseded by the Nationality Act of

In 1868 the Fourteenth Amendment as follows...
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Article I, section 8, clause 4 of the United States Constitution expressly gives the United States Congress the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.

Only natural born citizens are eligible to serve as President of the United States or as Vice President. Though the text of the Constitution does not define the meaning of natural born, in particular it does not specify  any distinction to be made between people whose citizenship is based on jus sanguinis [parentage] or those whose citizenship was based on jus soli [place of birth]

So here's the thing, Cruz was born to an American mother beyond the sea, and according to the Constitution, her afforded Rights allows her to pass on citizenship Rights to her son.
Hope this clears things up.

Tool of the left??  Give me a break.  The critical issue is not whether Cruz was a citizen at birth.  Nobody denies that, so don't use that red herring to try to make your point.  The claim by the left is exactly the one raised by the right with Obama and his phony excuse for a birth certificate:  A person born outside the US is not a natural born citizen.  The left has the capability of taking this to the Supreme Court if Cruz wins, and would not hesitate to do so.  This is a terrible risk to take, no matter how convinced one is we would win.  The definition of "natural born" needs to be legally clarified and quickly, before we have a constitutional crisis.
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Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2016, 10:40:43 AM »
Tool of the left??  Give me a break.  The critical issue is not whether Cruz was a citizen at birth.  Nobody denies that, so don't use that red herring to try to make your point.  The claim by the left is exactly the one raised by the right with Obama and his phony excuse for a birth certificate:  A person born outside the US is not a natural born citizen.  The left has the capability of taking this to the Supreme Court if Cruz wins, and would not hesitate to do so.  This is a terrible risk to take, no matter how convinced one is we would win.  The definition of "natural born" needs to be legally clarified and quickly, before we have a constitutional crisis.

Prove it!!!
Ignorance of Constitutional law is by it's very definition is a tool of the left, their very existence depends on ignorance.
I gave you the law that states quite clearly that a person born abroad to an American is afforded the same Rights.

U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 5. All the sources routinely used to interpret the Constitution confirm that the phrase “natural born Citizen” has a specific meaning: namely, someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth with no need to go through a naturalization proceeding at some later time. And Congress has made equally clear from the time of the framing of the Constitution to the current day that, subject to certain residency requirements on the parents, someone born to a U.S. citizen parent generally becomes a U.S. citizen without regard to whether the birth takes place in Canada, the Canal Zone, or the continental United States.2×2. See, e.g., 8 U.S.C. § 1401(g) (2012); Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, Pub. L. No. 82-414, § 303, 66 Stat. 163, 236–37; Act of May 24, 1934, Pub. L. No. 73-250, 48 Stat. 797.
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Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2016, 10:52:30 AM »
Prove it!!!
Ignorance of Constitutional law is by it's very definition is a tool of the left, their very existence depends on ignorance.
I gave you the law that states quite clearly that a person born abroad to an American is afforded the same Rights.

U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 5. All the sources routinely used to interpret the Constitution confirm that the phrase “natural born Citizen” has a specific meaning: namely, someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth with no need to go through a naturalization proceeding at some later time. And Congress has made equally clear from the time of the framing of the Constitution to the current day that, subject to certain residency requirements on the parents, someone born to a U.S. citizen parent generally becomes a U.S. citizen without regard to whether the birth takes place in Canada, the Canal Zone, or the continental United States.2×2. See, e.g., 8 U.S.C. § 1401(g) (2012); Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, Pub. L. No. 82-414, § 303, 66 Stat. 163, 236–37; Act of May 24, 1934, Pub. L. No. 73-250, 48 Stat. 797.

OMG!!  Maybe you should attempt to actually read my comment.  Try again.  Do you have any idea what the colon does?  Is it just poor reading skills or are you deliberately trying to reverse the clear meaning of my statement by your selective use bold on part of one sentence?   

Try rereading this one sentence with comprehension, not flipping part of it to create a straw man attack:      The claim by the left is exactly the one raised by the right with Obama and his phony excuse for a birth certificate:  A person born outside the US is not a natural born citizen.  The part after the colon modifies the word "CLAIM" in the first part of the sentence.       Is that really so hard to grasp?
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Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2016, 11:05:27 AM »
Tool of the left??  Give me a break.  The critical issue is not whether Cruz was a citizen at birth.  Nobody denies that, so don't use that red herring to try to make your point.  The claim by the left is exactly the one raised by the right with Obama and his phony excuse for a birth certificate:  A person born outside the US is not a natural born citizen.  The left has the capability of taking this to the Supreme Court if Cruz wins, and would not hesitate to do so.  This is a terrible risk to take, no matter how convinced one is we would win.  The definition of "natural born" needs to be legally clarified and quickly, before we have a constitutional crisis.
I'm sick and tired of repeating what the law clearly states, what the Supremes have already repeatedly stated.

So I wasn't going to comment. Because at this point, it's the same old tired ass trolls, trotting out the same old pro Trump bull shit.

Until I read this comment.

So in reply here goes. And trust me I am being as nice as I can be when I say this as well.

Oh please, spare us the Constitutional crisis bull shit.

There's plenty of reasons to be concerned about a Constitutional Crisis, which actually do face our republic today.

A good majority of which were brought about team obozo and his merry band of dingbats from the dimwit dnc in Congress too.

Where the fuck Senator Cruz was born at, however, is not one of them.

You who can count yourselves among the Tired Trumpette's in the Trump Brigade are every bit as disgusting and willfully ignorant as those who voted for, and saddled us all with Obozo in the first place.

After that, and eight years of his mis-rule.

It's way past time for those who can not only read, but comprehend what they read and actually think for themselves.

To politely but firmly tell the limp wristed left wing infested part of the RNC in America,

To sit the fuck down and shut the hell up. You've done enough damage to the party and our Republic.

We neither want, nor need for your ilk to do anymore.


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