Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case

Started by Traninit, February 23, 2016, 05:04:08 PM

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supsalemgr

Quote from: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 08:59:34 AM
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You anti-Trumpers are a hoot! Read and learn...then know that you are the "trolls" here and will not even attempt to have a rational discourse when there is a difference of opinion. Nah, I won't get nasty like you. Everyone is entitled to their own viewpoints. For shame, for shame.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/natural-born-issue-ted-cruz-not-settled-not-going-away-n499226

Solar has answered the question about Cruz's citizenship. Now may I ask you a serious question about Trump since you are the expert on him. Tell us the specifics on how he is going to deport 11 million illegal immigrants and have Mexico pay for the wall to keep them out?
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Quote from: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 12:12:58 PM
Did you have the "intellectual capacity" (I know, you just couldn't help yourself) to read the link? There is still an unsettled question that remains, is there not?
If you had the ability for comprehension, you'd realize I answered the question based on the law.
Try reading what I wrote, it's directly excerpted from the Constitution and the 14th Amendment.

Why don't you ask me the question you're having trouble understanding, and I'll explain it so that even a 2nd grader can understand it.
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Quote from: Solar on February 24, 2016, 12:54:32 PM
If you had the ability for comprehension, you'd realize I answered the question based on the law.
Try reading what I wrote, it's directly excerpted from the Constitution and the 14th Amendment.

Why don't you ask me the question you're having trouble understanding, and I'll explain it so that even a 2nd grader can understand it.


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Quote from: supsalemgr on February 24, 2016, 12:33:24 PM
Solar has answered the question about Cruz's citizenship. Now may I ask you a serious question about Trump since you are the expert on him. Tell us the specifics on how he is going to deport 11 million illegal immigrants and have Mexico pay for the wall to keep them out?

You dont believe that do you? Trump employs ALOT of illegals and has protected them for a long time. Hes not about to deport them.
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supsalemgr

Quote from: Double D on February 24, 2016, 02:05:52 PM
You dont believe that do you? Trump employs ALOT of illegals and has protected them for a long time. Hes not about to deport them.

That is why I asked the question. Tranmit is a troll who will not answer the question.
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LibDave

What a ridiculous discussion.  No one with ANY BRAINS was fooled by Trumps nonsense about Cruz's eligibility.  The fact is the definition of "Naturalized" is just that, "the definition it had at the time the Amendments were enacted (Originalist).  The term Naturalized hasn't even changed since that time.  Naturalized means a citizen through the nature of their birth.  In other words, any citizen who didn't become a citizen AFTER their birth.  To accept Trump's claim one would have to surmise Cruz isn't a citizen at all because he was born in Canada.  Obviously this isn't the case.

My brother was born to an American mother and an American father (both life long American's) who were at the time of his birth fighting for our country abroad.  My brother was an American the day he was born because "he was an American" regardless of whether my parents were ordered abroad.  Numerous presidents have already held the office under similar circumstances.  It isn't now nor has it ever even been an issue of contention.  If your parents are American citizens at the time of your birth you are American by birth (i.e. a naturalized citizen). Such is the case for Cruz, both of his parents were American citizens at the time of his birth.

Furthermore, the reason Cruz hasn't received a judgement is because no complaint has been filed.  The courts don't rule on something when there is no violation or even a complaint a violation has occurred.  It's like asking the court to rule that I wasn't speeding yesterday.  They won't do it unless there has been some accusation I was speeding.  Without such accusation there is no reason for the courts to rule on it.  Trump knows the statement has no merit which is why he hasn't even bothered to file a complaint.  He knows if he did it wouldn't go anywhere.  It would be a waste of his time and a summary judgement would immediately cast it out.  This way he gets the best of both worlds.  He makes the accusation but doesn't file any legal complaint.  Cruz can't get a judgement for something the courts aren't even considering (no complaint).  Therefore Trump can cast doubt with a lie or misstatement of the facts and no clarification from the courts will ever occur.

There are millions of Americans born to American parents abroad who were raised their entire lives as Americans.  They are without question Americans.

146below

Quote from: Traninit on February 23, 2016, 05:04:08 PM
It's his right to seek dismissal, and the judge's right to deny it...or let it happen.  There wouldn't be a hearing if a judge thought there wasn't the slightest hint of merit behind it. Why would Cruz care if he's so sure about eligibility? A bit of fear, perhaps? He should let it happen, then gloat when he's declared eligible...then an instant one-up on Trump for sure.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cruz-seeks-dismissal-of-case-challenging-us-presidential-eligibility/ar-BBpTlMw?fullscreen=true#image=1

Cruz should enthusiastically support this lawsuit, clarifying that the Constitution contains nothing preventing him from being President. 
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Solar

Quote from: 146below on February 24, 2016, 02:55:29 PM
Cruz should enthusiastically support this lawsuit, clarifying that the Constitution contains nothing preventing him from being President.
Why would anyone entertain something as ludicrous as "Do you still beat your wife"?
Even though you were never married?
To even consider this is literally entertaining the idiocy of a sociopath.
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Traninit

Quote from: Solar on February 24, 2016, 12:54:32 PM
If you had the ability for comprehension, you'd realize I answered the question based on the law.
Try reading what I wrote, it's directly excerpted from the Constitution and the 14th Amendment.

Why don't you ask me the question you're having trouble understanding, and I'll explain it so that even a 2nd grader can understand it.

Nice liberal-speak. Dodging the link right before your eyes. Clinton DNA?. You must be pissed...all that nastiness! Be happy for the Donald. :smile:
One more liberal President in 2016 will mean the irreversible, eventual and total demise of our democracy. The rise and fall of democracy IS past the "apathy stage" at this moment. If this  momentum continues on its present path, restoration of democracy will require the least desired of actions.

Traninit

Quote from: supsalemgr on February 24, 2016, 12:33:24 PM
Solar has answered the question about Cruz's citizenship. Now may I ask you a serious question about Trump since you are the expert on him. Tell us the specifics on how he is going to deport 11 million illegal immigrants and have Mexico pay for the wall to keep them out?

No, Solar has not answered. He side-stepped the evidence I provided. Trump hasn't conferred with me about his plans as yet. Sorry, I'm not in his circle, so I am remiss in my ability to answer your questions. Honestly is the best policy. But Cruz scares me when he asks Jesus to rise and assist him with the election.
One more liberal President in 2016 will mean the irreversible, eventual and total demise of our democracy. The rise and fall of democracy IS past the "apathy stage" at this moment. If this  momentum continues on its present path, restoration of democracy will require the least desired of actions.

Solar

Quote from: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 03:22:42 PM
Nice liberal-speak. Dodging the link right before your eyes. Clinton DNA?. You must be pissed...all that nastiness! Be happy for the Donald. :smile:
I dodged nothing, their claim is nothing new, unless I missed something in the article, Cruz is an NBC.
Like I said, you are more than welcome to ask me the question if you are unable to understand the answer, and I'll be more than happy to break it down in language even you will understand, Crayolas and all.
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Solar

Quote from: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 03:29:47 PM
No, Solar has not answered. He side-stepped the evidence I provided. Trump hasn't conferred with me about his plans as yet. Sorry, I'm not in his circle, so I am remiss in my ability to answer your questions. Honestly is the best policy. But Cruz scares me when he asks Jesus to rise and assist him with the election.
Wow, you epitomize the Trump supporter, ignorant as well as gullible.
If Trump is so certain, why hasn't he taken this to court?
One other question. We have laws on the books to build a wall/fence along the border, yet Congress refuses to build it.
What makes you so certain, that a man with a track record of lying will somehow convince Congress to do as he demands, let alone follow through on his promise to build it?
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Quote from: Solar on February 24, 2016, 03:38:00 PM
Wow, you epitomize the Trump supporter, ignorant as well as gullible.
If Trump is so certain, why hasn't he taken this to court?
One other question. We have laws on the books to build a wall/fence along the border, yet Congress refuses to build it.
What makes you so certain, that a man with a track record of lying will somehow convince Congress to do as he demands, let alone follow through on his promise to build it?

Here's the take by a professor of law who I think I would believe before you until you show me your credentials (most likely ignorant and gullible as well eh?):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ted-cruz-is-not-eligible-to-be-president/2016/01/12/1484a7d0-b7af-11e5-99f3-184bc379b12d_story.html
One more liberal President in 2016 will mean the irreversible, eventual and total demise of our democracy. The rise and fall of democracy IS past the "apathy stage" at this moment. If this  momentum continues on its present path, restoration of democracy will require the least desired of actions.

Traninit

Hey Coolidge! Where the heck are you? I'm at the bottom of a pig pile here! :biggrin:
One more liberal President in 2016 will mean the irreversible, eventual and total demise of our democracy. The rise and fall of democracy IS past the "apathy stage" at this moment. If this  momentum continues on its present path, restoration of democracy will require the least desired of actions.