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Title: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Traninit on February 23, 2016, 05:04:08 PM
It's his right to seek dismissal, and the judge's right to deny it...or let it happen.  There wouldn't be a hearing if a judge thought there wasn't the slightest hint of merit behind it. Why would Cruz care if he's so sure about eligibility? A bit of fear, perhaps? He should let it happen, then gloat when he's declared eligible...then an instant one-up on Trump for sure.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cruz-seeks-dismissal-of-case-challenging-us-presidential-eligibility/ar-BBpTlMw?fullscreen=true#image=1
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Solar on February 23, 2016, 05:11:00 PM
Nice spin Troll. Fact is, it's a frivolous lawsuit, and killing it slaps Trump upside the head and embarrasses his ass publicly for abuse of our legal system.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: daidalos on February 23, 2016, 06:08:57 PM
Quote from: Traninit on February 23, 2016, 05:04:08 PM
It's his right to seek dismissal, and the judge's right to deny it...or let it happen.  There wouldn't be a hearing if a judge thought there wasn't the slightest hint of merit behind it. Why would Cruz care if he's so sure about eligibility? A bit of fear, perhaps? He should let it happen, then gloat when he's declared eligible...then an instant one-up on Trump for sure.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cruz-seeks-dismissal-of-case-challenging-us-presidential-eligibility/ar-BBpTlMw?fullscreen=true#image=1

Ok lets take this one point, by one point. And in doing so I'll demonstrate why the term "troll" is the right one.

Number one, It's now blue above.

Flatly untrue. A hearing is held for both the plaintiff as well as the defendant to make oral arguments for or against motions being made.

Number two, It's now green above.

That's actually also factually untrue. When you are absolutely sure, that a suit in which your named the defendant is frivolous, without merit.

When you are absolutely sure that you are in the right within the law. The very first thing you do, is petition the court for a dismissal.

Number three, It's orange above now.

He has better things to do, like actually campaign, meet the electorate face to face etc...than to spend his time in a court room, wasting his time, and our tax money, to settle what is clearly a frivolous case without merit.

See that's what the Trumpette troll brigade simply cannot get through their pretty little skulls.

This is not some new, unsettled law. It's not some law we just enacted five years ago.  :lol:

This is a case, dealing with law that's long been settled. Unless there's some new, Earth Shattering argument of merit, the Federal courts are going to reject it.

The Supremes always do in that situation. That's why it's called "settled law" in the first place.  :lol:

Oh btw, why does the word troll apply? Because that's what you are, when you misrepresent the facts, as you did with number one and two up there.  :wink:
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Cryptic Bert on February 23, 2016, 07:06:39 PM
Quote from: Traninit on February 23, 2016, 05:04:08 PM
It's his right to seek dismissal, and the judge's right to deny it...or let it happen.  There wouldn't be a hearing if a judge thought there wasn't the slightest hint of merit behind it. Why would Cruz care if he's so sure about eligibility? A bit of fear, perhaps? He should let it happen, then gloat when he's declared eligible...then an instant one-up on Trump for sure.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cruz-seeks-dismissal-of-case-challenging-us-presidential-eligibility/ar-BBpTlMw?fullscreen=true#image=1

Activist judges.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Traninit on February 23, 2016, 07:34:46 PM
Quote from: daidalos on February 23, 2016, 06:08:57 PM
Ok lets take this one point, by one point. And in doing so I'll demonstrate why the term "troll" is the right one.

Number one, It's now blue above.

Flatly untrue. A hearing is held for both the plaintiff as well as the defendant to make oral arguments for or against motions being made.

Number two, It's now green above.

That's actually also factually untrue. When you are absolutely sure, that a suit in which your named the defendant is frivolous, without merit.

When you are absolutely sure that you are in the right within the law. The very first thing you do, is petition the court for a dismissal.

Number three, It's orange above now.

He has better things to do, like actually campaign, meet the electorate face to face etc...than to spend his time in a court room, wasting his time, and our tax money, to settle what is clearly a frivolous case without merit.

See that's what the Trumpette troll brigade simply cannot get through their pretty little skulls.

This is not some new, unsettled law. It's not some law we just enacted five years ago.  :lol:

This is a case, dealing with law that's long been settled. Unless there's some new, Earth Shattering argument of merit, the Federal courts are going to reject it.

The Supremes always do in that situation. That's why it's called "settled law" in the first place.  :lol:

Oh btw, why does the word troll apply? Because that's what you are, when you misrepresent the facts, as you did with number one and two up there.  :wink:

"This is not some new, unsettled law. It's not some law we just enacted five years ago"

You are correct, the law is not new, but it only allows for a "Natural born citizen" to be POTUS. The law is not unsettled, but the meaning is. Why do you suppose all the fervor? "Natural born"...by law, what is the settled definition of that term? Please, if the courts have decided on the exact definition, please share that information with me, I'll cower and relent.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Hoofer on February 24, 2016, 06:45:11 AM
Quote from: Traninit on February 23, 2016, 07:34:46 PM
"This is not some new, unsettled law. It's not some law we just enacted five years ago"

You are correct, the law is not new, but it only allows for a "Natural born citizen" to be POTUS. The law is not unsettled, but the meaning is. Why do you suppose all the fervor? "Natural born"...by law, what is the settled definition of that term? Please, if the courts have decided on the exact definition, please share that information with me, I'll cower and relent.

WHAT???   That has got to be the dumbest, incoherent, contradictory thing I've ever read on this entire forum, system, or whatever - except the JOKE page.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Bowhntr on February 24, 2016, 07:03:29 AM
This suit hasnt been brought by Trump.  Which reminds me....where is the loudmouth?  Cruz told him to bring it on.  Why hasnt he?
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: walkstall on February 24, 2016, 07:25:09 AM
Quote from: Hoofer on February 24, 2016, 06:45:11 AM
WHAT???   That has got to be the dumbest, incoherent, contradictory thing I've ever read on this entire forum, system, or whatever - except the JOKE page.

We have deleted some drive by trolls off the wall confused ramblings. 
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Dubinsky on February 24, 2016, 07:27:26 AM
Quote from: walkstall on February 24, 2016, 07:25:09 AM
We have deleted some drive by trolls off the wall confused ramblings.

:thumbup:
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 08:59:34 AM
 :lol: :lol: :lol:

You anti-Trumpers are a hoot! Read and learn...then know that you are the "trolls" here and will not even attempt to have a rational discourse when there is a difference of opinion. Nah, I won't get nasty like you. Everyone is entitled to their own viewpoints. For shame, for shame.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/natural-born-issue-ted-cruz-not-settled-not-going-away-n499226
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 09:20:04 AM
Quote from: Solar on February 23, 2016, 05:11:00 PM
Nice spin Troll. Fact is, it's a frivolous lawsuit, and killing it slaps Trump upside the head and embarrasses his ass publicly for abuse of our legal system.

"Fact is, it's a frivolous lawsuit"

Fact? You must have more insight than congressional scholars.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Solar on February 24, 2016, 09:22:00 AM
Quote from: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 08:59:34 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol:

You anti-Trumpers are a hoot! Read and learn...then know that you are the "trolls" here and will not even attempt to have a rational discourse when there is a difference of opinion. Nah, I won't get nasty like you. Everyone is entitled to their own viewpoints. For shame, for shame.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/natural-born-issue-ted-cruz-not-settled-not-going-away-n499226
Lets see if you have the intellectual capacity to understand the law, and why we see you as a tool of the left for having not bothered to comprehend the issue.


Ted Cruz is a Natural Born Citizen as per our Constitution.

Like it or not, it was the 14th Amendment that made that possible.

Here is the short reference, but I'll go into detail for those wanting to understand the truth.

a. Section 1993 (48 Stat. 797) was amended by the Act of May 24, 1934, to permit American women to transmit U.S. citizenship to their children born abroad, regardless of the father's citizenship.

b. The amended Section 1993 was in effect from May 24, 1934, at noon Eastern Standard Time until January 12, 1941. The text of the amended law is shown in 7 FAM 1135.6-1. It was repealed, and superseded by the Nationality Act of

In 1868 the Fourteenth Amendment as follows...

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Article I, section 8, clause 4 of the United States Constitution expressly gives the United States Congress the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.

Only natural born citizens are eligible to serve as President of the United States or as Vice President. Though the text of the Constitution does not define the meaning of natural born, in particular it does not specify any distinction to be made between people whose citizenship is based on jus sanguinis [parentage] or those whose citizenship was based on jus soli [place of birth]

So here's the thing, Cruz was born to an American mother beyond the sea, and according to the Constitution, her afforded Rights allows her to pass on citizenship Rights to her son.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Cryptic Bert on February 24, 2016, 10:05:13 AM
Quote from: Solar on February 24, 2016, 09:22:00 AM
Lets see if you have the intellectual capacity to understand the law, and why we see you as a tool of the left for having not bothered to comprehend the issue.


Ted Cruz is a Natural Born Citizen as per our Constitution.

Like it or not, it was the 14th Amendment that made that possible.

Here is the short reference, but I'll go into detail for those wanting to understand the truth.

a. Section 1993 (48 Stat. 797) was amended by the Act of May 24, 1934, to permit American women to transmit U.S. citizenship to their children born abroad, regardless of the father's citizenship.

b. The amended Section 1993 was in effect from May 24, 1934, at noon Eastern Standard Time until January 12, 1941. The text of the amended law is shown in 7 FAM 1135.6-1. It was repealed, and superseded by the Nationality Act of

In 1868 the Fourteenth Amendment as follows...

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Article I, section 8, clause 4 of the United States Constitution expressly gives the United States Congress the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.

Only natural born citizens are eligible to serve as President of the United States or as Vice President. Though the text of the Constitution does not define the meaning of natural born, in particular it does not specify any distinction to be made between people whose citizenship is based on jus sanguinis [parentage] or those whose citizenship was based on jus soli [place of birth]

So here's the thing, Cruz was born to an American mother beyond the sea, and according to the Constitution, her afforded Rights allows her to pass on citizenship Rights to her son.

She's playing the Bill Clinton game. "It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

This time it's "It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'natural born' is."
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Solar on February 24, 2016, 10:31:39 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 24, 2016, 10:05:13 AM
She's playing the Bill Clinton game. "It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

This time it's "It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'natural born' is."
These libs aren't smart enough. Amazing, isn't it?
The Founders had a reason for being concise and not wordy, they knew there would be idiots attempting to make inferences into what they said, and or, didn't say.
There's a reason they didn't use the term "Native Born", because they meant "Natural Born" as in birthright Americans via parental Rights.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 12:12:58 PM
Quote from: Solar on February 24, 2016, 09:22:00 AM
Lets see if you have the intellectual capacity to understand the law, and why we see you as a tool of the left for having not bothered to comprehend the issue.


Ted Cruz is a Natural Born Citizen as per our Constitution.

Like it or not, it was the 14th Amendment that made that possible.

Here is the short reference, but I'll go into detail for those wanting to understand the truth.

a. Section 1993 (48 Stat. 797) was amended by the Act of May 24, 1934, to permit American women to transmit U.S. citizenship to their children born abroad, regardless of the father's citizenship.

b. The amended Section 1993 was in effect from May 24, 1934, at noon Eastern Standard Time until January 12, 1941. The text of the amended law is shown in 7 FAM 1135.6-1. It was repealed, and superseded by the Nationality Act of

In 1868 the Fourteenth Amendment as follows...

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Article I, section 8, clause 4 of the United States Constitution expressly gives the United States Congress the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.

Only natural born citizens are eligible to serve as President of the United States or as Vice President. Though the text of the Constitution does not define the meaning of natural born, in particular it does not specify any distinction to be made between people whose citizenship is based on jus sanguinis [parentage] or those whose citizenship was based on jus soli [place of birth]

So here's the thing, Cruz was born to an American mother beyond the sea, and according to the Constitution, her afforded Rights allows her to pass on citizenship Rights to her son.

Did you have the "intellectual capacity" (I know, you just couldn't help yourself) to read the link? There is still an unsettled question that remains, is there not?
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: supsalemgr on February 24, 2016, 12:33:24 PM
Quote from: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 08:59:34 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol:

You anti-Trumpers are a hoot! Read and learn...then know that you are the "trolls" here and will not even attempt to have a rational discourse when there is a difference of opinion. Nah, I won't get nasty like you. Everyone is entitled to their own viewpoints. For shame, for shame.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/natural-born-issue-ted-cruz-not-settled-not-going-away-n499226

Solar has answered the question about Cruz's citizenship. Now may I ask you a serious question about Trump since you are the expert on him. Tell us the specifics on how he is going to deport 11 million illegal immigrants and have Mexico pay for the wall to keep them out?
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Solar on February 24, 2016, 12:54:32 PM
Quote from: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 12:12:58 PM
Did you have the "intellectual capacity" (I know, you just couldn't help yourself) to read the link? There is still an unsettled question that remains, is there not?
If you had the ability for comprehension, you'd realize I answered the question based on the law.
Try reading what I wrote, it's directly excerpted from the Constitution and the 14th Amendment.

Why don't you ask me the question you're having trouble understanding, and I'll explain it so that even a 2nd grader can understand it.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: walkstall on February 24, 2016, 01:18:08 PM
Quote from: Solar on February 24, 2016, 12:54:32 PM
If you had the ability for comprehension, you'd realize I answered the question based on the law.
Try reading what I wrote, it's directly excerpted from the Constitution and the 14th Amendment.

Why don't you ask me the question you're having trouble understanding, and I'll explain it so that even a 2nd grader can understand it.


Is this cubedemon # 2?
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Solar on February 24, 2016, 01:46:01 PM
Quote from: walkstall on February 24, 2016, 01:18:08 PM

Is this cubedemon # 2?
Hell, Cube got it right away. :thumbup:
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Double D on February 24, 2016, 02:05:52 PM
Quote from: supsalemgr on February 24, 2016, 12:33:24 PM
Solar has answered the question about Cruz's citizenship. Now may I ask you a serious question about Trump since you are the expert on him. Tell us the specifics on how he is going to deport 11 million illegal immigrants and have Mexico pay for the wall to keep them out?

You dont believe that do you? Trump employs ALOT of illegals and has protected them for a long time. Hes not about to deport them.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: supsalemgr on February 24, 2016, 02:17:27 PM
Quote from: Double D on February 24, 2016, 02:05:52 PM
You dont believe that do you? Trump employs ALOT of illegals and has protected them for a long time. Hes not about to deport them.

That is why I asked the question. Tranmit is a troll who will not answer the question.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: LibDave on February 24, 2016, 02:47:19 PM
What a ridiculous discussion.  No one with ANY BRAINS was fooled by Trumps nonsense about Cruz's eligibility.  The fact is the definition of "Naturalized" is just that, "the definition it had at the time the Amendments were enacted (Originalist).  The term Naturalized hasn't even changed since that time.  Naturalized means a citizen through the nature of their birth.  In other words, any citizen who didn't become a citizen AFTER their birth.  To accept Trump's claim one would have to surmise Cruz isn't a citizen at all because he was born in Canada.  Obviously this isn't the case.

My brother was born to an American mother and an American father (both life long American's) who were at the time of his birth fighting for our country abroad.  My brother was an American the day he was born because "he was an American" regardless of whether my parents were ordered abroad.  Numerous presidents have already held the office under similar circumstances.  It isn't now nor has it ever even been an issue of contention.  If your parents are American citizens at the time of your birth you are American by birth (i.e. a naturalized citizen). Such is the case for Cruz, both of his parents were American citizens at the time of his birth.

Furthermore, the reason Cruz hasn't received a judgement is because no complaint has been filed.  The courts don't rule on something when there is no violation or even a complaint a violation has occurred.  It's like asking the court to rule that I wasn't speeding yesterday.  They won't do it unless there has been some accusation I was speeding.  Without such accusation there is no reason for the courts to rule on it.  Trump knows the statement has no merit which is why he hasn't even bothered to file a complaint.  He knows if he did it wouldn't go anywhere.  It would be a waste of his time and a summary judgement would immediately cast it out.  This way he gets the best of both worlds.  He makes the accusation but doesn't file any legal complaint.  Cruz can't get a judgement for something the courts aren't even considering (no complaint).  Therefore Trump can cast doubt with a lie or misstatement of the facts and no clarification from the courts will ever occur.

There are millions of Americans born to American parents abroad who were raised their entire lives as Americans.  They are without question Americans.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: 146below on February 24, 2016, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: Traninit on February 23, 2016, 05:04:08 PM
It's his right to seek dismissal, and the judge's right to deny it...or let it happen.  There wouldn't be a hearing if a judge thought there wasn't the slightest hint of merit behind it. Why would Cruz care if he's so sure about eligibility? A bit of fear, perhaps? He should let it happen, then gloat when he's declared eligible...then an instant one-up on Trump for sure.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cruz-seeks-dismissal-of-case-challenging-us-presidential-eligibility/ar-BBpTlMw?fullscreen=true#image=1

Cruz should enthusiastically support this lawsuit, clarifying that the Constitution contains nothing preventing him from being President. 
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Solar on February 24, 2016, 03:19:07 PM
Quote from: 146below on February 24, 2016, 02:55:29 PM
Cruz should enthusiastically support this lawsuit, clarifying that the Constitution contains nothing preventing him from being President.
Why would anyone entertain something as ludicrous as "Do you still beat your wife"?
Even though you were never married?
To even consider this is literally entertaining the idiocy of a sociopath.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 03:22:42 PM
Quote from: Solar on February 24, 2016, 12:54:32 PM
If you had the ability for comprehension, you'd realize I answered the question based on the law.
Try reading what I wrote, it's directly excerpted from the Constitution and the 14th Amendment.

Why don't you ask me the question you're having trouble understanding, and I'll explain it so that even a 2nd grader can understand it.

Nice liberal-speak. Dodging the link right before your eyes. Clinton DNA?. You must be pissed...all that nastiness! Be happy for the Donald. :smile:
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 03:29:47 PM
Quote from: supsalemgr on February 24, 2016, 12:33:24 PM
Solar has answered the question about Cruz's citizenship. Now may I ask you a serious question about Trump since you are the expert on him. Tell us the specifics on how he is going to deport 11 million illegal immigrants and have Mexico pay for the wall to keep them out?

No, Solar has not answered. He side-stepped the evidence I provided. Trump hasn't conferred with me about his plans as yet. Sorry, I'm not in his circle, so I am remiss in my ability to answer your questions. Honestly is the best policy. But Cruz scares me when he asks Jesus to rise and assist him with the election.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Solar on February 24, 2016, 03:31:28 PM
Quote from: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 03:22:42 PM
Nice liberal-speak. Dodging the link right before your eyes. Clinton DNA?. You must be pissed...all that nastiness! Be happy for the Donald. :smile:
I dodged nothing, their claim is nothing new, unless I missed something in the article, Cruz is an NBC.
Like I said, you are more than welcome to ask me the question if you are unable to understand the answer, and I'll be more than happy to break it down in language even you will understand, Crayolas and all.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Solar on February 24, 2016, 03:38:00 PM
Quote from: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 03:29:47 PM
No, Solar has not answered. He side-stepped the evidence I provided. Trump hasn't conferred with me about his plans as yet. Sorry, I'm not in his circle, so I am remiss in my ability to answer your questions. Honestly is the best policy. But Cruz scares me when he asks Jesus to rise and assist him with the election.
Wow, you epitomize the Trump supporter, ignorant as well as gullible.
If Trump is so certain, why hasn't he taken this to court?
One other question. We have laws on the books to build a wall/fence along the border, yet Congress refuses to build it.
What makes you so certain, that a man with a track record of lying will somehow convince Congress to do as he demands, let alone follow through on his promise to build it?
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 04:14:40 PM
Quote from: Solar on February 24, 2016, 03:38:00 PM
Wow, you epitomize the Trump supporter, ignorant as well as gullible.
If Trump is so certain, why hasn't he taken this to court?
One other question. We have laws on the books to build a wall/fence along the border, yet Congress refuses to build it.
What makes you so certain, that a man with a track record of lying will somehow convince Congress to do as he demands, let alone follow through on his promise to build it?

Here's the take by a professor of law who I think I would believe before you until you show me your credentials (most likely ignorant and gullible as well eh?):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ted-cruz-is-not-eligible-to-be-president/2016/01/12/1484a7d0-b7af-11e5-99f3-184bc379b12d_story.html
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 04:16:19 PM
Hey Coolidge! Where the heck are you? I'm at the bottom of a pig pile here! :biggrin:
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Solar on February 24, 2016, 04:21:37 PM
Quote from: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 04:14:40 PM
Here's the take by a professor of law who I think I would believe before you until you show me your credentials (most likely ignorant and gullible as well eh?):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ted-cruz-is-not-eligible-to-be-president/2016/01/12/1484a7d0-b7af-11e5-99f3-184bc379b12d_story.html
Here's how it works, I won't do your work for you, you copy and paste the pertiniet part, and I'll address your question.
As to your nonsense about being credentialed? The Founders wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights so any 8th grader could understand it.
Says a lot about your intellectual capacity, sadly.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 04:44:16 PM
Quote from: Solar on February 24, 2016, 04:21:37 PM
Here's how it works, I won't do your work for you, you copy and paste the pertiniet part, and I'll address your question.
As to your nonsense about being credentialed? The Founders wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights so any 8th grader could understand it.
Says a lot about your intellectual capacity, sadly.

This is how I work, regardless of your "parameters". If the way I work bothers you, just ignore me. I'll do the same for you. There's indecision regarding credentialing...FACT. Only you believe this is not so (the intellect).  :rolleyes: Got sore spots?
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Cryptic Bert on February 24, 2016, 05:03:16 PM
Washington post opinion VS Constitution.

Constitution wins!
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 05:16:56 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 24, 2016, 05:03:16 PM
Washington post opinion VS Constitution.

Constitution wins!

Agreed. But parts are often the subject of interpretation by the court, correct?
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Solar on February 24, 2016, 05:45:10 PM
Quote from: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 04:44:16 PM
This is how I work, regardless of your "parameters". If the way I work bothers you, just ignore me. I'll do the same for you. There's indecision regarding credentialing...FACT. Only you believe this is not so (the intellect).  :rolleyes: Got sore spots?
Wrong son, that's not how debate works. I proved Cruz is an NBC via Constitutional law, so the onus is on you to prove me wrong.
If you are unable to debate, I suggest you find another forum.

Got it?
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Cryptic Bert on February 24, 2016, 07:51:41 PM
Quote from: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 05:16:56 PM
Agreed. But parts are often the subject of interpretation by the court, correct?

Parts? Explain 'parts'.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: supsalemgr on February 25, 2016, 04:55:30 AM
Quote from: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 03:29:47 PM
No, Solar has not answered. He side-stepped the evidence I provided. Trump hasn't conferred with me about his plans as yet. Sorry, I'm not in his circle, so I am remiss in my ability to answer your questions. Honestly is the best policy. But Cruz scares me when he asks Jesus to rise and assist him with the election.

Talk about dodging. Nice attempt to side step the fact Trump has no plan and you have been caught.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Solar on February 25, 2016, 05:31:06 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 24, 2016, 07:51:41 PM
Parts? Explain 'parts'.
He can't. He posted on a subject he knows absolutely nothing about, a subject he should have learned in the govt processing center, but by no fault of his own, was kept ignorant for this very reason, so he wouldn't be able to make the right decisions for his future when the time came.

Well, that time has arrived, and here he is, a fish out of water, voting for the fisherman to run the sea.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: daidalos on February 25, 2016, 05:58:13 AM
Quote from: Traninit on February 24, 2016, 05:16:56 PM
Agreed. But parts are often the subject of interpretation by the court, correct?
No. You are incorrect.

The Supremes do not interpret just parts of the Constitution.

The Supremes interpret all of the Constitution as the highest law of the land.

And that Court, The Supreme Court of the United States.

Have in the past, already interpreted the pertinent parts of our Constituiton.

Want to know what they said? Want to know what their past rulings say on the matter?

In a nutshell the supremes in the past have said.

Senator Cruz is right.

Mr. Trump and his merry band of Birther Trumpettes are wrong.

http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/

End of this non-story, Trump and his merry band of trumpette's have made up.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: 146below on February 25, 2016, 06:59:57 AM
Quote from: Solar on February 24, 2016, 03:19:07 PM
Why would anyone entertain something as ludicrous as "Do you still beat your wife"?
Even though you were never married?
To even consider this is literally entertaining the idiocy of a sociopath.

What??  This is such transparent attempt of diversion with absurd, irrelevant, and totally inappropriate analogy!  Rather than dirtying your hands slinging mud when you can't make a cogent response, you might try making a point.  The birth issue with Cruz will not go away as long as he is in the race, or if elected.  Postponing a massive legal fight until it creates a Constitutional crisis is really stupid.  Sticking your head in the sand and pretending the issue doesn't exist isn't very bright.  It's far past time to get this issue settled, once and for all.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Solar on February 25, 2016, 07:10:36 AM
Quote from: 146below on February 25, 2016, 06:59:57 AM
What??  This is such transparent attempt of diversion with absurd, irrelevant, and totally inappropriate analogy!  Rather than dirtying your hands slinging mud when you can't make a cogent response, you might try making a point.  The birth issue with Cruz will not go away as long as he is in the race, or if elected.  Postponing a massive legal fight until it creates a Constitutional crisis is really stupid.  Sticking your head in the sand and pretending the issue doesn't exist isn't very bright.  It's far past time to get this issue settled, once and for all.
Again, don't be a tool of the left. This is a moot point, but Trump found a willing media to carry his idiocy as if it actually has gravity.
I'll repeat the law, and see if you have the intellectual capacity to figure out what the Founders meant.
And note the absence of Native born.

Ted Cruz is a Natural Born Citizen as per our Constitution.
Like it or not, it was the 14th Amendment that made that possible.
Here is the short reference, but I'll go into detail for those wanting to understand the truth.

a. Section 1993 (48 Stat. 797) was amended by the Act of May 24, 1934, to permit American women to transmit U.S. citizenship to their children born abroad, regardless of the father's citizenship.

b. The amended Section 1993 was in effect from May 24, 1934, at noon Eastern Standard Time until January 12, 1941. The text of the amended law is shown in 7 FAM 1135.6-1. It was repealed, and superseded by the Nationality Act of

In 1868 the Fourteenth Amendment as follows...
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Article I, section 8, clause 4 of the United States Constitution expressly gives the United States Congress the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.

Only natural born citizens are eligible to serve as President of the United States or as Vice President. Though the text of the Constitution does not define the meaning of natural born, in particular it does not specify  any distinction to be made between people whose citizenship is based on jus sanguinis [parentage] or those whose citizenship was based on jus soli [place of birth]

So here's the thing, Cruz was born to an American mother beyond the sea, and according to the Constitution, her afforded Rights allows her to pass on citizenship Rights to her son.
Hope this clears things up.

Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: 146below on February 25, 2016, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Solar on February 25, 2016, 07:10:36 AM
Again, don't be a tool of the left. This is a moot point, but Trump found a willing media to carry his idiocy as if it actually has gravity.
I'll repeat the law, and see if you have the intellectual capacity to figure out what the Founders meant.
And note the absence of Native born.

Ted Cruz is a Natural Born Citizen as per our Constitution.
Like it or not, it was the 14th Amendment that made that possible.
Here is the short reference, but I'll go into detail for those wanting to understand the truth.

a. Section 1993 (48 Stat. 797) was amended by the Act of May 24, 1934, to permit American women to transmit U.S. citizenship to their children born abroad, regardless of the father's citizenship.

b. The amended Section 1993 was in effect from May 24, 1934, at noon Eastern Standard Time until January 12, 1941. The text of the amended law is shown in 7 FAM 1135.6-1. It was repealed, and superseded by the Nationality Act of

In 1868 the Fourteenth Amendment as follows...
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Article I, section 8, clause 4 of the United States Constitution expressly gives the United States Congress the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.

Only natural born citizens are eligible to serve as President of the United States or as Vice President. Though the text of the Constitution does not define the meaning of natural born, in particular it does not specify  any distinction to be made between people whose citizenship is based on jus sanguinis [parentage] or those whose citizenship was based on jus soli [place of birth]

So here's the thing, Cruz was born to an American mother beyond the sea, and according to the Constitution, her afforded Rights allows her to pass on citizenship Rights to her son.
Hope this clears things up.

Tool of the left??  Give me a break.  The critical issue is not whether Cruz was a citizen at birth.  Nobody denies that, so don't use that red herring to try to make your point.  The claim by the left is exactly the one raised by the right with Obama and his phony excuse for a birth certificate:  A person born outside the US is not a natural born citizen.  The left has the capability of taking this to the Supreme Court if Cruz wins, and would not hesitate to do so.  This is a terrible risk to take, no matter how convinced one is we would win.  The definition of "natural born" needs to be legally clarified and quickly, before we have a constitutional crisis.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Solar on February 25, 2016, 10:40:43 AM
Quote from: 146below on February 25, 2016, 09:14:49 AM
Tool of the left??  Give me a break.  The critical issue is not whether Cruz was a citizen at birth.  Nobody denies that, so don't use that red herring to try to make your point.  The claim by the left is exactly the one raised by the right with Obama and his phony excuse for a birth certificate:  A person born outside the US is not a natural born citizen.  The left has the capability of taking this to the Supreme Court if Cruz wins, and would not hesitate to do so.  This is a terrible risk to take, no matter how convinced one is we would win.  The definition of "natural born" needs to be legally clarified and quickly, before we have a constitutional crisis.

Prove it!!!
Ignorance of Constitutional law is by it's very definition is a tool of the left, their very existence depends on ignorance.
I gave you the law that states quite clearly that a person born abroad to an American is afforded the same Rights.

U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 5. All the sources routinely used to interpret the Constitution confirm that the phrase "natural born Citizen" has a specific meaning: namely, someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth with no need to go through a naturalization proceeding at some later time. And Congress has made equally clear from the time of the framing of the Constitution to the current day that, subject to certain residency requirements on the parents, someone born to a U.S. citizen parent generally becomes a U.S. citizen without regard to whether the birth takes place in Canada, the Canal Zone, or the continental United States.2×2. See, e.g., 8 U.S.C. § 1401(g) (2012); Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, Pub. L. No. 82-414, § 303, 66 Stat. 163, 236–37; Act of May 24, 1934, Pub. L. No. 73-250, 48 Stat. 797.
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: 146below on February 25, 2016, 10:52:30 AM
Quote from: Solar on February 25, 2016, 10:40:43 AM
Prove it!!!
Ignorance of Constitutional law is by it's very definition is a tool of the left, their very existence depends on ignorance.
I gave you the law that states quite clearly that a person born abroad to an American is afforded the same Rights.

U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 5. All the sources routinely used to interpret the Constitution confirm that the phrase "natural born Citizen" has a specific meaning: namely, someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth with no need to go through a naturalization proceeding at some later time. And Congress has made equally clear from the time of the framing of the Constitution to the current day that, subject to certain residency requirements on the parents, someone born to a U.S. citizen parent generally becomes a U.S. citizen without regard to whether the birth takes place in Canada, the Canal Zone, or the continental United States.2×2. See, e.g., 8 U.S.C. § 1401(g) (2012); Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, Pub. L. No. 82-414, § 303, 66 Stat. 163, 236–37; Act of May 24, 1934, Pub. L. No. 73-250, 48 Stat. 797.

OMG!!  Maybe you should attempt to actually read my comment.  Try again.  Do you have any idea what the colon does?  Is it just poor reading skills or are you deliberately trying to reverse the clear meaning of my statement by your selective use bold on part of one sentence?   

Try rereading this one sentence with comprehension, not flipping part of it to create a straw man attack:      The claim by the left is exactly the one raised by the right with Obama and his phony excuse for a birth certificate:  A person born outside the US is not a natural born citizen.  The part after the colon modifies the word "CLAIM" in the first part of the sentence.       Is that really so hard to grasp?
Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: daidalos on February 25, 2016, 11:05:27 AM
Quote from: 146below on February 25, 2016, 09:14:49 AM
Tool of the left??  Give me a break.  The critical issue is not whether Cruz was a citizen at birth.  Nobody denies that, so don't use that red herring to try to make your point.  The claim by the left is exactly the one raised by the right with Obama and his phony excuse for a birth certificate:  A person born outside the US is not a natural born citizen.  The left has the capability of taking this to the Supreme Court if Cruz wins, and would not hesitate to do so.  This is a terrible risk to take, no matter how convinced one is we would win.  The definition of "natural born" needs to be legally clarified and quickly, before we have a constitutional crisis.
I'm sick and tired of repeating what the law clearly states, what the Supremes have already repeatedly stated.

So I wasn't going to comment. Because at this point, it's the same old tired ass trolls, trotting out the same old pro Trump bull shit.

Until I read this comment.

So in reply here goes. And trust me I am being as nice as I can be when I say this as well.

Oh please, spare us the Constitutional crisis bull shit.

There's plenty of reasons to be concerned about a Constitutional Crisis, which actually do face our republic today.

A good majority of which were brought about team obozo and his merry band of dingbats from the dimwit dnc in Congress too.

Where the fuck Senator Cruz was born at, however, is not one of them.

You who can count yourselves among the Tired Trumpette's in the Trump Brigade are every bit as disgusting and willfully ignorant as those who voted for, and saddled us all with Obozo in the first place.

After that, and eight years of his mis-rule.

It's way past time for those who can not only read, but comprehend what they read and actually think for themselves.

To politely but firmly tell the limp wristed left wing infested part of the RNC in America,

To sit the fuck down and shut the hell up. You've done enough damage to the party and our Republic.

We neither want, nor need for your ilk to do anymore.


Title: Re: Cruz seeks dismissal of Presidential eligibility case
Post by: Solar on February 25, 2016, 11:19:46 AM
Quote from: 146below on February 25, 2016, 10:52:30 AM
OMG!!  Maybe you should attempt to actually read my comment.  Try again.  Do you have any idea what the colon does?  Is it just poor reading skills or are you deliberately trying to reverse the clear meaning of my statement by your selective use bold on part of one sentence?   

Try rereading this one sentence with comprehension, not flipping part of it to create a straw man attack:      The claim by the left is exactly the one raised by the right with Obama and his phony excuse for a birth certificate:  A person born outside the US is not a natural born citizen.  The part after the colon modifies the word "CLAIM" in the first part of the sentence.       Is that really so hard to grasp?
So your argument is one disguised as a leftist attacking Cruz, while claiming you know the truth, is that what you're saying? Sounds like the argument of a lib Trump supporter.
Spin it all you want, but the argument used by the Right had nothing to do with his place of birth, rather the date of the claim, which a real BC would have exposed the fact that he was naturalized, not a Natural Born.

It matters not that he was born in Kenya, what matters is the time frame to which his birth was recorded in the US.
This is the reason the left refused to allow forensic document experts to examine his BC, because it would expose the DNC for defrauding the public.