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Coummunism and liberal degeneracy
« on: February 26, 2018, 10:24:29 AM »
There is a common opinion about communism being associated with liberal degeneracy such as homosexuality, feminism, multiculturalism and all other stuff. However its important to remember that during the Soviet Union none of this was actually promoted. There was no gay agenda being pushed and a bunch of man hating feminazis running the show. Gays of course existed, as well as crime and corruption, but these things were looked down upon as evil that can only happen in the west. Soviet Union also instilled pride in a country and a patriotism. The support of the third world was used perhaps to strengthen the position of the Soviet Union in the world wide politics. I therefore will assume that Soviet Union was much more conservative then modern day conservatives and republicans. You were forced to work and there were no free hand outs like welfare.

Of course many ills of society existed in communism, but the fact that they were swept under the rug pretty much tells me that it was not acceptable, unlike it was in the degenerate western world. The communism therefore was much more conservative, at least culturally speaking.
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Re: Coummunism and degeneracy
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2018, 10:55:35 AM »
I don't think you understand Marxism in the US as it's currently being applied, or conservatism for that matter.
First off, Conservatism isn't necessarily about social behavior, as in 'Libertarian ideals of live and let live' which is part of Conservatism at it's roots, as in, small govt, stay the Hell out of our lives.
Russia has it's own moral ideals as far as social behavior and what was acceptable, just like the US has always had.
It's safe to say it was Communists that pushed all this abnormal behavior on Americans as a way of breaking down the social fabric of America and it's also safe to say they succeeded with the help of the Dim party and CPUSA by extension, the ACLU.

Point is, don't conflate Conservatism with abnormal societal behavior, there is no connection. We're all about shrinking govt so it can't negatively effect society as has occurred over the last 50 plus years.

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Re: Coummunism and degeneracy
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2018, 11:36:55 AM »
I don't think you understand Marxism in the US as it's currently being applied, or conservatism for that matter.
First off, Conservatism isn't necessarily about social behavior, as in 'Libertarian ideals of live and let live' which is part of Conservatism at it's roots, as in, small govt, stay the Hell out of our lives.
Russia has it's own moral ideals as far as social behavior and what was acceptable, just like the US has always had.
It's safe to say it was Communists that pushed all this abnormal behavior on Americans as a way of breaking down the social fabric of America and it's also safe to say they succeeded with the help of the Dim party and CPUSA by extension, the ACLU.

Point is, don't conflate Conservatism with abnormal societal behavior, there is no connection. We're all about shrinking govt so it can't negatively effect society as has occurred over the last 50 plus years.

https://conservativehardliner.com/what-is-conservatism

The Red Chinese under Chairman Mao were far closer to the ideals of Karl Marx than Lenin or Stalin.  The former Soviet Union was far more similar to what the Kleptocracy of Russia is under Vladimir Putin.  Soviet Union style communism was a mean to an end and the end was controlling each and every aspect of individual's citizen's lives.  This is the part of Marxism the ruling Party Elites liked. 

The American Marxists of the American Left have their own view of how they would CHANGE America into a state controlled Marxist country, which is different from the former Soviet Union and China.  In the end, their ideal is the same, it's only their tactics are somewhat different.  The are willing to strip away all individual rights in exchange for total State control and privilege being destoyed upon party loyalists (while counter revolutionaries are punished).

All the far left support for the perversion of our society is simply to hasten the destruction of America, so they can replace everything with whatever the STATE deems appropriate. They are simply using all these issues to divide so they can conquer!  At some later time in the future when the State has total control, then we will see just how tolerant the party Leaders will be.  (At least that's the plan)
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Re: Coummunism and degeneracy
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2018, 11:49:36 AM »
The Red Chinese under Chairman Mao were far closer to the ideals of Karl Marx than Lenin or Stalin.  The former Soviet Union was far more similar to what the Kleptocracy of Russia is under Vladimir Putin.  Soviet Union style communism was a mean to an end and the end was controlling each and every aspect of individual's citizen's lives.  This is the part of Marxism the ruling Party Elites liked. 

The American Marxists of the American Left have their own view of how they would CHANGE America into a state controlled Marxist country, which is different from the former Soviet Union and China.  In the end, their ideal is the same, it's only their tactics are somewhat different.  The are willing to strip away all individual rights in exchange for total State control and privilege being destoyed upon party loyalists (while counter revolutionaries are punished).

All the far left support for the perversion of our society is simply to hasten the destruction of America, so they can replace everything with whatever the STATE deems appropriate. They are simply using all these issues to divide so they can conquer!  At some later time in the future when the State has total control, then we will see just how tolerant the party Leaders will be.  (At least that's the plan)

That was the point I was alluding to, that first, they have to destroy the fabric that is American culture before they can create the atmosphere of revolution, as in the "1963 Communist Goals".
I think it's safe to say, the Dim party has taken the place of CPUSA, in their endeavor to destroy the US and foment revolution.
Once this (revolution) comes to fruition, and the masses tire of fighting, the nation would be ripe for the picking, as we've witnessed throughout history.
Think Mouslinni and his Fascist party.
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Re: Coummunism and degeneracy
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2018, 12:42:19 PM »
The Red Chinese under Chairman Mao were far closer to the ideals of Karl Marx than Lenin or Stalin.  The former Soviet Union was far more similar to what the Kleptocracy of Russia is under Vladimir Putin.  Soviet Union style communism was a mean to an end and the end was controlling each and every aspect of individual's citizen's lives.  This is the part of Marxism the ruling Party Elites liked. 

The American Marxists of the American Left have their own view of how they would CHANGE America into a state controlled Marxist country, which is different from the former Soviet Union and China.  In the end, their ideal is the same, it's only their tactics are somewhat different.  The are willing to strip away all individual rights in exchange for total State control and privilege being destoyed upon party loyalists (while counter revolutionaries are punished).

All the far left support for the perversion of our society is simply to hasten the destruction of America, so they can replace everything with whatever the STATE deems appropriate. They are simply using all these issues to divide so they can conquer!  At some later time in the future when the State has total control, then we will see just how tolerant the party Leaders will be.  (At least that's the plan)

One might ask why do these idealists turn into such despots when they get into power? The answer is quite simple. They are human beings with human characteristics. They know what they are doing is not good for the "folks" and they become paranoid and petrified of losing power so they turn to absolute power to control the citizens. Then those in the inner circle form a barrier around the elites to stay in power AND alive (See North Korea). Does this scenario remind us of an entity we currently have in the USA? The US Congress.
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Re: Coummunism and liberal degeneracy
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2018, 12:51:09 PM »
Communism has just been a convenient tool for aspiring dictators and despots, to lead the chronically stupid down the path they want to be led down.

Devout theoretical communists actually believe in a magical final phase where they will be helped greatly by a horrific genocidal killer, who kills everybody that would be against communism, but then magically becomes peaceful and hands all the power over to a country full of small, peaceful, self-regulating  communes.

The little communist kiddies fall for it every time.  "Suuuuuure, I'm that guy who will kill all your enemies and then give you the power back for your sweet wonderful communism.......... vote for me !!".

It's why I always say..... they never grow up beyond the mind of a 15-year-old.  Easy pickin's.

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Re: Coummunism and liberal degeneracy
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2018, 01:00:03 PM »
Solar's point about conflating Conservatism w/communism is absolutely on the mark.
While you are likely well intentioned,  this notion is absurd.
Principled Conservatism was born is Ancient Greece from the ideas, ideals and values articulated by Plato, among  others; in his "Republic".
It's foundation is the Natural Law, uncovered thru logic and reason, allowing Man to develop a moral order that became the bedrock of culture/society.
The Enlightenment, a revolt against the culture and social order represented by the French Monarchy and Catholic Church, spawned progressivism and its offspring; communism, socialism, collectivism among many plagues.
From the very first moment their mission has been control; as they know best.
Burke's opinion of these fanatics is apt; " While the individual can be dangerous; the species is wise."



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Re: Coummunism and liberal degeneracy
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2018, 01:14:30 PM »
Solar's point about conflating Conservatism w/communism is absolutely on the mark.
While you are likely well intentioned,  this notion is absurd.
Principled Conservatism was born is Ancient Greece from the ideas, ideals and values articulated by Plato, among  others; in his "Republic".
It's foundation is the Natural Law, uncovered thru logic and reason, allowing Man to develop a moral order that became the bedrock of culture/society.
The Enlightenment, a revolt against the culture and social order represented by the French Monarchy and Catholic Church, spawned progressivism and its offspring; communism, socialism, collectivism among many plagues.
From the very first moment their mission has been control; as they know best.
Burke's opinion of these fanatics is apt; " While the individual can be dangerous; the species is wise."
Spot on...
Great historical reference. To expand: Conservatism is the culmination of historical achievements, liberalism is a product of ignoring historical failures.
"Communism has yet to be applied correctly". I hear this from every leftist that has never studied history. It gives them an excuse to keep trying, despite its continual failure.
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Re: Coummunism and liberal degeneracy
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2018, 07:24:34 PM »
Solar's point about conflating Conservatism w/communism is absolutely on the mark.
While you are likely well intentioned,  this notion is absurd.
Principled Conservatism was born is Ancient Greece from the ideas, ideals and values articulated by Plato, among  others; in his "Republic".
It's foundation is the Natural Law, uncovered thru logic and reason, allowing Man to develop a moral order that became the bedrock of culture/society.
The Enlightenment, a revolt against the culture and social order represented by the French Monarchy and Catholic Church, spawned progressivism and its offspring; communism, socialism, collectivism among many plagues.
From the very first moment their mission has been control; as they know best.
Burke's opinion of these fanatics is apt; " While the individual can be dangerous; the species is wise."

So, basically The Enlightenment was one of the biggest failures in human history. 

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Re: Coummunism and liberal degeneracy
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2018, 10:12:29 PM »
So, basically The Enlightenment was one of the biggest failures in human history.
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The Enlightenment was a repudiation of the past, promising a future of sweetness and light.
As such,  it was a fraud that ushered in some of the harshest calamities on Mankind.
The violence of the French Revolution included the burning of many Churches, Orphanages, Convents
and Seminaries packed its members, events that were to be sadly repeated during the following century.
It was Napoleon who ended the revolutionary carnage w/ cannon and sword.
The Ancients understood that Man was not a perfectible creature in this life.
Yet the likes of Rousseau, St. Just, Voltaire and the rest, insisted otherwise,
if only Mankind would heed their message and follow them along their path
of righteousness. Why of course.
The Enlightenment argued that the material was superior to the spiritual;
spawning progressivism, which in turn inflicted Marxism on us.
Hmm.................... so why aren't we brimming w/gratitude?????

 

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