Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2014, 12:04:09 PM
That place is a complete freak show...

Why would a conservative subject themselves to this clown and his rants?

Quote from: JRP1990 on January 16, 2014, 05:23:52 AM
Coulter & Ed Schultz is like the blind leading the blind.

Oh, for the days of William F. Buckley.

I agree. Ann Coulter is the Howard Stern of conservatism. And Ed Schultz is meh.

Quote from: supsalemgr on January 16, 2014, 12:46:16 PM
Why would a conservative subject themselves to this clown and his rants?

Masochism?

Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2014, 01:13:14 PM
Masochism?

(I really like Coulter but) it's Showbiz.

Quote from: actionblock on January 16, 2014, 01:49:13 PM
(I really like Coulter but) it's Showbiz.

She is sharp...

Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2014, 01:49:43 PM
She is sharp...

Yes. As sharp as sharp can be.

Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2014, 09:16:29 AM
Obviously my point does allude you, considering your history of our nation is only relative to anything after the 70s where values are concerned,.
You'd had to have experienced it, to understand it, it hasn't always been this way.
Believe it or not, a Coulter 40 years ago would have been viewed as the norm.
Granted, shes a bit of a RINO, still her points are salient and generally correct.

There actually was a time when not everything was political.
In fact, if the Internet had been around 40 years ago, a forum like ours wouldn't have a single member.
Politics was for those we sent to represent us, so we could go about our daily lives.

Well, if we are talking about "cultural values" like abortion and gay marriage, then sure, I agree.

But there is more to morals and values than that. There is also a moral component to things like gold confiscation, prohibition, price controls, income taxation, wealth redistribution, inflation, and all the various ways the state perverts the rule of law, through intellectual property "rights," subsidies, and quotas, etc

Then there is the era of total war, during the so called "great wars," when conscription, internment and the murder of civilian populations, on a whole scale level, was the order of the day.

Not to mention the growth of the police/ surveillance state which has followed in the wake of the prohibition 2.0, aka the war on drugs.

So I don't look back on the nation's history and reflect on how moral it was.

Rather, I see Babylon. I see a civilization in decadence, with all the amorality that logically follows.

Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2014, 08:17:45 AM
Where is Coulter blind?

Adamantly maintaining that Canada fought in Vietnam is a good example.

Quote from: TowardLiberty on January 16, 2014, 03:49:05 PM
Well, if we are talking about "cultural values" like abortion and gay marriage, then sure, I agree.

But there is more to morals and values than that. There is also a moral component to things like gold confiscation, prohibition, price controls, income taxation, wealth redistribution, inflation, and all the various ways the state perverts the rule of law, through intellectual property "rights," subsidies, and quotas, etc

Then there is the era of total war, during the so called "great wars," when conscription, internment and the murder of civilian populations, on a whole scale level, was the order of the day.

Not to mention the growth of the police/ surveillance state which has followed in the wake of the prohibition 2.0, aka the war on drugs.

So I don't look back on the nation's history and reflect on how moral it was.

Rather, I see Babylon. I see a civilization in decadence, with all the amorality that logically follows.

Again you fail to see the point. Govt is amoral, it's the culture I refer to in America, a culture that's taken one huge shit in such a short time.

Quote from: JRP1990 on January 16, 2014, 03:49:35 PM
Adamantly maintaining that Canada fought in Vietnam is a good example.

They did, what's your point?

Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2014, 03:59:14 PM
Again you fail to see the point. Govt is amoral, it's the culture I refer to in America, a culture that's taken one huge shit in such a short time.

Government is an abstraction. As such, it is amoral.

But those individuals acting under the capacity of an office, which comprise the "government" ARE moral actors.

And the decisions they make shape the incentives of our society, which has an impact on the future morality of said society, along with its values.

Let's not obscure the important ways in which institutions can impact culture, especially over time. The impact the welfare state has had on the family, is a case in point.

Another is the impact that inflation and welfare has had on individual saving rates.

The "values" of this "nation" have been in the toilet in key ways, going back to the early 20th century. What we are seeing today is the mature fruit of this process.

Same thing happened in Weimar Germany, and Rome.

Quote from: TowardLiberty on January 16, 2014, 04:07:43 PM
Government is an abstraction. As such, it is amoral.

But those individuals acting under the capacity of an office, which comprise the "government" ARE moral actors.

And the decisions they make shape the incentives of our society, which has an impact on the future morality of said society, along with its values.

Let's not obscure the important ways in which institutions can impact culture, especially over time. The impact the welfare state has had on the family, is a case in point.

Another is the impact that inflation and welfare has had on individual saving rates.

The "values" of this "nation" have been in the toilet in key ways, going back to the early 20th century. What we are seeing today is the mature fruit of this process.

Same thing happened in Weimar Germany, and Rome.

You're kind of making my point. everything didn't used to be political, the Nation was conservative right, but like I said, that's all changed in the last 40 years.

Quote from: JRP1990 on January 16, 2014, 03:49:35 PM
Adamantly maintaining that Canada fought in Vietnam is a good example.

Didn't know she thought that, but not going to hold that against her. She may have a blemish or two, everybody does.

Not knowing exactly what she said about Canada and Viet Nam (and not caring too much anyway), what she probably meant was that Canada supplied a lot of the resources used by us in Viet Nam. Thus, in a fuzzy wuzzy sort of way, Canada did fight in Viet Nam. Being a Coulter fan I'm convinced that is what she meant and everything else has, well, been taken out of context (as they say in the business).

If you were in Viet Nam (not me, not even a gleam in dad's eyes) and loved the smell of napalm in the morning. The napalm likely carried a tag that said "Made in Canada."

Plus, after researching the Viet Nam war, I'm convinced Canada did have troops there (coverly and undercover, of course).

Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2014, 04:20:22 PM
You're kind of making my point. everything didn't used to be political, the Nation was conservative right, but like I said, that's all changed in the last 40 years.

I guess we simply disagree on the time line. I would trace it back more like 140 years..

Quote from: actionblock on January 16, 2014, 04:26:03 PM
Didn't know she thought that, but not going to hold that against her. She may have a blemish or two, everybody does.

Not knowing exactly what she said about Canada and Viet Nam (and not caring too much anyway), what she probably meant was that Canada supplied a lot of the resources used by us in Viet Nam. Thus, in a fuzzy wuzzy sort of way, Canada did fight in Viet Nam. Being a Coulter fan I'm convinced that is what she meant and everything else has, well, been taken out of context (as they say in the business).

If you were in Viet Nam (not me, not even a gleam in dad's eyes) and loved the smell of napalm in the morning. The napalm likely carried a tag that said "Made in Canada."

Plus, after researching the Viet Nam war, I'm convinced Canada did have troops there (coverly and undercover, of course).

In counter-current to the movement American draft-dodgers and deserters to Canada, about 30,000 Canadians volunteered to fight in southeast Asia.[36] Among the volunteers were fifty Mohawks from the Kahnawake reserve near Montreal.[37] One-hundred and ten (110) Canadians died in Vietnam, and seven remain listed as Missing in Action. Canadian Peter C. Lemon was awarded the U.S. Medal of Honor for his valour in the conflict. (This cross-border enlistment was not unprecedented: Both the First and the Second World War saw thousands of Americans join the Canadian Armed forces before the U.S officially declared war on Germany)[38]

In Windsor, Ontario, there is a privately funded monument to the Canadians killed in the Vietnam War.[39] In Melocheville, Quebec, there is a monument site funded by the Association Québécoise des Vétérans du Vietnam.[40] However, many Canadian veterans returned to a society that was strongly anti-war. Unlike the United States, there were no veterans organizations nor any help for them from the government, and many of them moved permanently to the United States. There has been ongoing pressure from Canadian Vietnam veterans to have their comrades' deaths formally acknowledged by the government, especially in times such as Remembrance Day
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_the_Vietnam_War