I think billionaires should be treated like human beings they create jobs for the middle and lower classes through corporations. I disagree with the left that the working class does not benefit from corporations and billionaires. Corporations is what drive capitalism which is one of the best economic models to have in USA. So, in other words, we Americans should be grateful that corporations and billionaires benefit our lives and should be treated as fellow human beings and best friends to the American people. Without them, USA would not have freedom or liberty.
Quote from: benthomas024 on December 27, 2018, 04:05:27 PM
I think billionaires should be treated like human beings they create jobs for the middle and lower classes through corporations. I disagree with the left that the working class does not benefit from corporations and billionaires. Corporations is what drive capitalism which is one of the best economic models to have in USA. So, in other words, we Americans should be grateful that corporations and billionaires benefit our lives and should be treated as fellow human beings and best friends to the American people. Without them, USA would not have freedom or liberty.
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Emphatically disagree.
Freedom, manifested in the astonishing creativity in both science and art; was a prominent trait in Ancient Greece while billionaires and capitalism didn't exist.
Man has walked the Earth for tens of thousands of years passing through various eras, among them the Fertile Crescent, the Classical Period of Greece and Rome, Scholasticism, the Renaissance, the Reformation and a hallmark of each was the vitality of the spiritual in Man's daily existence.
Then the Enlightenment dawned w/the Industrial Revolution following closely
These twin events transformed Mankind and hardly for the better, ushering in
material well being as a paramount virtue and its agent, the billionaire.
As the Cardinal of Mont-St-Michel asserted in the 12th century,
"We are mere dwarfs who only see as far as we do because we stand on the
massive shoulders of the Giants of the past who preceded us and made the
present possible." And those Giants don't include any billionaires!!!
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 27, 2018, 07:24:30 PM
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Emphatically disagree.
Freedom, manifested in the astonishing creativity in both science and art; was a prominent trait in Ancient Greece while billionaires and capitalism didn't exist.
Man has walked the Earth for tens of thousands of years passing through various eras, among them the Fertile Crescent, the Classical Period of Greece and Rome, Scholasticism, the Renaissance, the Reformation and a hallmark of each was the vitality of the spiritual in Man's daily existence.
Then the Enlightenment dawned w/the Industrial Revolution following closely
These twin events transformed Mankind and hardly for the better, ushering in
material well being as a paramount virtue and its agent, the billionaire.
As the Cardinal of Mont-St-Michel asserted in the 12th century,
"We are mere dwarfs who only see as far as we do because we stand on the
massive shoulders of the Giants of the past who preceded us and made the
present possible." And those Giants don't include any billionaires!!!
Quite the anti-capitalism rant.
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 27, 2018, 07:24:30 PM
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Emphatically disagree.
Freedom, manifested in the astonishing creativity in both science and art; was a prominent trait in Ancient Greece while billionaires and capitalism didn't exist.
Man has walked the Earth for tens of thousands of years passing through various eras, among them the Fertile Crescent, the Classical Period of Greece and Rome, Scholasticism, the Renaissance, the Reformation and a hallmark of each was the vitality of the spiritual in Man's daily existence.
Then the Enlightenment dawned w/the Industrial Revolution following closely
These twin events transformed Mankind and hardly for the better, ushering in
material well being as a paramount virtue and its agent, the billionaire.
As the Cardinal of Mont-St-Michel asserted in the 12th century,
"We are mere dwarfs who only see as far as we do because we stand on the
massive shoulders of the Giants of the past who preceded us and made the
present possible." And those Giants don't include any billionaires!!!
Capitalism has been around since the beginning of time, though called many names, fair trade was its descriptor.
It kept communities thriving, trade with enemies at peace. Capitalism is the most basic of systems, it literally defines commerce.
Quote from: Solar on December 28, 2018, 07:08:58 AM
Capitalism has been around since the beginning of time, though called many names, fair trade was its descriptor.
It kept communities thriving, trade with enemies at peace. Capitalism is the most basic of systems, it literally defines commerce.
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Respectfully disagree.
Sure markets existed since agriculture in the Fertile Crescent BC but
certainly not capitalism.
This economic system was fostered by the 18th century Enlightenment,
where the levers of production are controlled by industrialists for profit,
as Adam Smith detailed in his "Wealth of Nations."
I have no issue w/any economic system, be it ancient agriculture or modern
widget production, excepting socialism, since they are value neutral.
Rather my issue is w/the materialism capitalism fostered, which has
largely replaced the spiritual; leaving a deadly impact on culture/society.
Anyone unaware of this reality, suggest they take a hard look at religion
and at what we label 'modern art", be it architecture, music, portraiture
and the rest.
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 28, 2018, 11:34:28 AM
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Respectfully disagree.
Sure markets existed since agriculture in the Fertile Crescent BC but
certainly not capitalism.
This economic system was fostered by the 18th century Enlightenment,
where the levers of production are controlled by industrialists for profit,
as Adam Smith detailed in his "Wealth of Nations."
I have no issue w/any economic system, be it ancient agriculture or modern
widget production, excepting socialism, since they are value neutral.
Rather my issue is w/the materialism capitalism fostered, which has
largely replaced the spiritual; leaving a deadly impact on culture/society.
Anyone unaware of this reality, suggest they take a hard look at religion
and at what we label 'modern art", be it architecture, music, portraiture
and the rest.
It absolutely has been around since the beginning of time. Not only since one person decided to trade their labor, but since someone decided to save resources to increase production. Here's a good primer for you:
https://mises.org/library/how-saving-grows-economy
Quote from: taxed on December 28, 2018, 11:47:57 AM
It absolutely has been around since the beginning of time. Not only since one person decided to trade their labor, but since someone decided to save resources to increase production. Here's a good primer for you:
https://mises.org/library/how-saving-grows-economy
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So you're right but Adam Smith was wrong? Hmm...........
Anyway, I was making a larger point which escaped notice.
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 28, 2018, 11:34:28 AM
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Respectfully disagree.
Sure markets existed since agriculture in the Fertile Crescent BC but
certainly not capitalism.
This economic system was fostered by the 18th century Enlightenment,
where the levers of production are controlled by industrialists for profit,
as Adam Smith detailed in his "Wealth of Nations."
I have no issue w/any economic system, be it ancient agriculture or modern
widget production, excepting socialism, since they are value neutral.
Rather my issue is w/the materialism capitalism fostered, which has
largely replaced the spiritual; leaving a deadly impact on culture/society.
Anyone unaware of this reality, suggest they take a hard look at religion
and at what we label 'modern art", be it architecture, music, portraiture
and the rest.
"Rather my issue is w/the materialism capitalism fostered, which has
largely replaced the spiritual;"
This can be true, but it is not universal. There is nothing wrong with the desire to succeed. If one applies their self better than their neighbor they will earn more material rewards. That can be done without hurting the neighbor. Is it your position that if one person earns more than their neighbor it is evil?
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 28, 2018, 12:11:24 PM
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So you're right but Adam Smith was wrong? Hmm...........
Anyway, I was making a larger point which escaped notice.
What is the disagreement, specifically, between Adam Smith, from your perspective?
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 28, 2018, 11:34:28 AM
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Respectfully disagree.
Sure markets existed since agriculture in the Fertile Crescent BC but
certainly not capitalism.
This economic system was fostered by the 18th century Enlightenment,
where the levers of production are controlled by industrialists for profit,
as Adam Smith detailed in his "Wealth of Nations."
I have no issue w/any economic system, be it ancient agriculture or modern
widget production, excepting socialism, since they are value neutral.
Rather my issue is w/the materialism capitalism fostered, which has
largely replaced the spiritual; leaving a deadly impact on culture/society.
Anyone unaware of this reality, suggest they take a hard look at religion
and at what we label 'modern art", be it architecture, music, portraiture
and the rest.
I definitely "Respectfully " disagree, that is the bastardization of pure Capitalism.
True, though the term was developing in the 13 century, The underlying core of capitalism is the use of wealth to create more wealth, meaning, if one has an abundance of a given product, he needed to find a customer/mkt to exploit said wealth.
This all started when one man had a bounty of fish, while another had an over stock of grains, and the two bartered. In fact, when these trades grew, peace grew as well, meaning capitalism is the most purest form of trade on the planet.
Of course they are human beings but surely anyone can think of some evil human beings. Can we post two youtubes? Guess I'll find out.
For the reader see: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27833494-dark-money Movie on topic linked below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuLFu3WWIl4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCvf8E7V1g
Quote from: midcan5 on December 28, 2018, 05:34:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCvf8E7V1g
We don't accept "TED" as a valid source of opinion.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on December 28, 2018, 06:29:43 PM
We don't accept "TED" as a valid source of opinion.
Not all TED talks are bad, I've seen some pretty good stuff from them. Red pill is one of them.
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 28, 2018, 12:49:33 PM
"Rather my issue is w/the materialism capitalism fostered, which has
largely replaced the spiritual;"
This can be true, but it is not universal. There is nothing wrong with the desire to succeed. If one applies their self better than their neighbor they will earn more material rewards. That can be done without hurting the neighbor. Is it your position that if one person earns more than their neighbor it is evil?
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To your credit you grasped my core point.
My attitude replicates Matthew, that Man cannot survive by bread alone.
Anyone oblivious to our spiritual disintegration as a culture/society is a
dead man walking.
Quote from: taxed on December 28, 2018, 01:20:24 PM
What is the disagreement, specifically, between Adam Smith, from your perspective?
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What disagreement??????
If Smith's plain English is to complicated for you,
try his colleagues, David Ricardo and Thomas Malthus.
Quote from: Solar on December 28, 2018, 06:36:56 PM
Not all TED talks are bad, I've seen some pretty good stuff from them. Red pill is one of them.
QuoteTED Talks are influential videos from expert speakers on education, business, science, tech and creativity, with subtitles in 100+ languages. Ideas free to stream and download.
I look at it as some organization (that came out of no where) starts having "influential" lectures from all sorts of people (including Liberal politicians, Liberal business people, Liberal entertainers, Liberal nobodies, etc.). Who knows what personal politics the founders of TED are.
I posted a video from Eric Bischoff because I am a wrestling fan, but that's about it. I don't view TED as an unbiased entity.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on December 29, 2018, 10:56:03 AM
I look at it as some organization (that came out of no where) starts having "influential" lectures from all sorts of people (including Liberal politicians, Liberal business people, Liberal entertainers, Liberal nobodies, etc.). Who knows what personal politics the founders of TED are.
I posted a video from Eric Bischoff because I am a wrestling fan, but that's about it. I don't view TED as an unbiased entity.
The first one I ever saw was Conservative, then youtube started feeding similar TED videos, so I never really watched the leftist crap.
Quote from: midcan5 on December 28, 2018, 05:34:42 PM
Of course they are human beings but surely anyone can think of some evil human beings. Can we post two youtubes? Guess I'll find out.
For the reader see: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27833494-dark-money Movie on topic linked below.
He's wrong. Rich do create jobs.
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 28, 2018, 09:40:52 PM
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What disagreement??????
If Smith's plain English is to complicated for you,
try his colleagues, David Ricardo and Thomas Malthus.
I'm familiar with Adam Smith. Again, what do we disagree on, specifically?
If we want to get the government out of everything then let's get the government out of businesses including the creation of them. A corporation is a government created entity. Get rid of it. Let's have a true free market and get rid of all of the corporate charters.
And, if a corporation is a human being and let's say me and others are on a board and we choose to dissolve it then by this logic we should be put in prison for murder since we murdered a human being.
Quote from: taxed on December 29, 2018, 06:50:45 PM
I'm familiar with Adam Smith. Again, what do we disagree on, specifically?
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Adam Smith authored the "Wealth of Nations" ,
David Ricardo the "Principles of Political Economy"
and Thomas Malthus the "Principles of Population".
All were colleagues who scientifically defined industrial
capitalism in the late 18th century affirmed by the Britannica.
The notion that some farmer in the Fertile Crescent or
some fishermen in Ancient Corinth defined capitalism
is too embarrassingly stupid for words.
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 29, 2018, 07:52:59 PM
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Adam Smith authored the "Wealth of Nations" ,
David Ricardo the "Principles of Political Economy"
and Thomas Malthus the "Principles of Population".
All were colleagues who scientifically defined industrial
capitalism in the late 18th century affirmed by the Britannica.
The notion that some farmer in the Fertile Crescent or
some fishermen in Ancient Corinth defined capitalism
is too embarrassingly stupid for words.
Inventing it and defining it are two entirely different equations.
Call it what you like, but capitalism has been the main source of commerce since the beginning of time. I think they simply referred to it as trade before the 1300s.
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 29, 2018, 07:52:59 PM
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Adam Smith authored the "Wealth of Nations" ,
David Ricardo the "Principles of Political Economy"
and Thomas Malthus the "Principles of Population".
All were colleagues who scientifically defined industrial
capitalism in the late 18th century affirmed by the Britannica.
The notion that some farmer in the Fertile Crescent or
some fishermen in Ancient Corinth defined capitalism
is too embarrassingly stupid for words.
"The notion that some farmer in the Fertile Crescent or
some fishermen in Ancient Corinth defined capitalism
is too embarrassingly stupid for words."
What did the farmer and fisherman do with their products that exceeded their personal needs?
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 30, 2018, 04:38:07 AM
"The notion that some farmer in the Fertile Crescent or
some fishermen in Ancient Corinth defined capitalism
is too embarrassingly stupid for words."
What did the farmer and fisherman do with their products that exceeded their personal needs?
Thank God, someone finally came along and coined the term, "Capitalism", or they'd have been clueless to the fact that they'd been doing it wrong for some unknown reason .
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Quote from: benthomas024 on December 27, 2018, 04:05:27 PM
I think billionaires should be treated like human beings
I think human beings should be treated like human beings.
Quotethey create jobs for the middle and lower classes through corporations.
Oh, like a benefactor?
QuoteI disagree with the left that the working class does not benefit from corporations and billionaires.
Why is this a disagreement with the
left? The left isn't against (the working class) people benefiting from a benefactor, whether it be a corporation or a government handout.
QuoteCorporations is what drive capitalism
No. Freedom drives capitalism.
Quotewhich is one of the best economic models to have in USA. So, in other words, we Americans should be grateful that corporations and billionaires benefit our lives and should be treated as fellow human beings and best friends to the American people. Without them, USA would not have freedom or liberty.
You pathetic tard! YOU make your OWN way in a free society. Corporations can often be oppressive government cronies of an even more oppressive government. I would even beg to differ that, if you blindly measured the
benefits created for the
workers by overbearing government as opposed to corporations, the government would win, hands down!
Quote from: Yushin on December 31, 2018, 02:10:08 AM
I think human beings should be treated like human beings.
Oh, like a benefactor?
Why is this a disagreement with the left? The left isn't against (the working class) people benefiting from a benefactor, whether it be a corporation or a government handout.
No. Freedom drives capitalism.
You pathetic tard! YOU make your OWN way in a free society. Corporations can often be oppressive government cronies of an even more oppressive government. I would even beg to differ that, if you blindly measured the benefits created for the workers by overbearing government as opposed to corporations, the government would win, hands down!
Think Chick Fil A.
I apologize, benthomas024. I didn't want to get off on the wrong foot here. I tend to get over-passionate on certain subjects.
Quote from: Yushin on January 01, 2019, 01:22:32 AM
I apologize, benthomas024. I didn't want to get off on the wrong foot here. I tend to get over-passionate on certain subjects.
It takes a little time to digest what this forum is. It is not a GOP forum, but made up of mostly conservative. However, we welcome differeing viewpoints as long as they do not digress into name calling.
Welcome!
Quote from: Yushin on January 01, 2019, 01:18:28 AM
Why? :confused:
The left despise Chick Fil A, they don't give a shit about the working class, that's always been a huge lie, they are for big govt, think Unions, the left despises individual success, that's why the Marxist said: "You Didn't Build that, Govt Did".
Quote from: Solar on January 01, 2019, 05:24:41 AM
The left despise Chick Fil A, they don't give a shit about the working class, that's always been a huge lie, they are for big govt, think Unions, the left despises individual success, that's why the Marxist said: "You Didn't Build that, Govt Did".
I thought the Chic-fi-a tantrum started over their religious views.
Quote from: Yushin on January 12, 2019, 12:45:43 AM
I thought the Chic-fi-a tantrum started over their religious views.
You mean, like the fact that Marxist policy despises Christian Values?
The left needs too kill all forms of opposition, yet those protesting Chick Fil A have no idea they're nothing but useful idiots. They were told that a restaurant chain was bigoted and conspiring against a victim class.
Yes, these people really are that stupid.
Further discussion on the issue should be moved religion, if you have more questions on the subject, start a new thread in Religion.
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 29, 2018, 07:52:59 PM
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Adam Smith authored the "Wealth of Nations" ,
David Ricardo the "Principles of Political Economy"
and Thomas Malthus the "Principles of Population".
All were colleagues who scientifically defined industrial
capitalism in the late 18th century affirmed by the Britannica.
The notion that some farmer in the Fertile Crescent or
some fishermen in Ancient Corinth defined capitalism
is too embarrassingly stupid for words.
Oh, sorry. I guess I was way off. I thought people back then got hungry, wanted shelter, improve life, and all that stuff, and were willing to trade labor, and/or get others to do the labor by compensating them in some way.
Quote from: taxed on January 12, 2019, 11:09:16 AM
Oh, sorry. I guess I was way off. I thought people back then got hungry, wanted shelter, improve life, and all that stuff, and were willing to trade labor, and/or get others to do the labor by compensating them in some way.
Sorry taxed, I am much older then you are and I forgot to tell you about bartering. "A system of exchange where participants in a transaction directly exchange goods or services for other goods or services without using a medium of exchange , such as money."
Quote from: walkstall on January 12, 2019, 11:38:59 AM
Sorry taxed, I am much older then you are and I forgot to tell you about bartering. "A system of exchange where participants in a transaction directly exchange goods or services for other goods or services without using a medium of exchange , such as money."
Damn... I need to look that up...
Quote from: walkstall on January 12, 2019, 11:38:59 AM
Sorry taxed, I am much older then you are and I forgot to tell you about bartering. "A system of exchange where participants in a transaction directly exchange goods or services for other goods or services without using a medium of exchange , such as money."
No way. That's crazy talk. Sort of capitalist voodoo stuff.
Quote from: Solar on January 12, 2019, 06:15:06 AM
You mean, like the fact that Marxist policy despises Christian Values?
The left needs too kill all forms of opposition, yet those protesting Chick Fil A have no idea they're nothing but useful idiots. They were told that a restaurant chain was bigoted and conspiring against a victim class.
Yes, these people really are that stupid.
Further discussion on the issue should be moved religion, if you have more questions on the subject, start a new thread in Religion.
I didn't bring religion into the topic to discuss, or ask questions about, religion. Your comment just seemed to conflict with my knowledge of that particular situation. It seemed like you were trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. But I won't push the issue. My opinion is that there would be no need to start a separate subject in the Religion forum. That wasn't my intent. :smile:
Quote from: Yushin on January 13, 2019, 04:30:50 AM
I didn't bring religion into the topic to discuss, or ask questions about, religion. Your comment just seemed to conflict with my knowledge of that particular situation. It seemed like you were trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. But I won't push the issue. My opinion is that there would be no need to start a separate subject in the Religion forum. That wasn't my intent. :smile:
Uh, yes you did.
Quote from: Yushin on January 12, 2019, 12:45:43 AM
I thought the Chic-fi-a tantrum started over their religious views.
I was merely pointing out how the left uses govt as a weapon against corps they despise, while using govt to pick winners.
That is not a free society.
Think "Auto Bailout", where the workers lost their pensions when Obozo bailed them out.
Point is, your claim that Govt has done more for workers is total BS, Govt does not create work, it only places barriers on growth while stealing from the taxpayer to promote an entity it prefers.
My only mention of religion was to counter Solar's puzzling interpretation of my comments. Religion was never the premise of my opinion. Solar made this claim.
Quote from: Solar on January 13, 2019, 07:00:23 AM
Come on, man... I specifically did not bring up a debate over religion. I excitedly tried to explain this to you.
Something tells me that Solar is the iron-fisted controller of ideas and debate here. :drool:
Quote from: Yushin on January 13, 2019, 07:04:24 AM
Something tells me that Solar is the iron-fisted controller of ideas and debate here. :drool:
What is your problem? I simply stated that if you steered the conversation towards religion, then take it to the other forum, but you, for some reason, be stuck on a nonexistent issue.
So let's try this again, and this time try and stay on topic.
My reply, which you so conveniently missed, was.
"I was merely pointing out how the left uses govt as a weapon against corps they despise, while using govt to pick winners.
That is not a free society.
Think "Auto Bailout", where the workers lost their pensions when Obozo bailed them out.
Point is, your claim that Govt has done more for workers is total BS, Govt does not create work, it only places barriers on growth while stealing from the taxpayer to promote an entity it prefers."
Quote from: Solar on January 13, 2019, 07:35:56 AM
What is your problem?
IDK, wh don't you tell me?
QuoteI simply stated that if you steered the conversation towards religion, then take it to the other forum, but you, for some reason, be stuck on a nonexistent issue.
So let's try this again, and this time try and stay on topic.
My reply, which you so conveniently missed, was.
"I was merely pointing out how the left uses govt as a weapon against corps they despise, while using govt to pick winners.
That is not a free society.
Think "Auto Bailout", where the workers lost their pensions when Obozo bailed them out.
Point is, your claim that Govt has done more for workers is total BS, Govt does not create work, it only places barriers on growth while stealing from the taxpayer to promote an entity it prefers."
Okay, chief. This is your turf. :bored:
Quote from: Yushin on January 13, 2019, 07:04:24 AM
Something tells me that Solar is the iron-fisted controller of ideas and debate here. :drool:
That is correct.
:popcorn:
Solar: I'm going to create a Straw man.
Yushin: Wut?
Solar: What is yer problem?
I'm sorry. If it makes you feel comfortable threatening posters with a change of venue so that you are not burdened with actually engaging in an intellectually challenging discussion. This is such a pussy move, I think that I may be attracted to you. :smile:
I told you that I did NOT steer, or want to impeccably discuss, the religious nature of this topic.
But, it seems that your goober-heaed mentality has rolled the dice and landed here.
So, go ahead. Be a mental midget.
What's next?
Banishment from the kingdom?
Quote from: Yushin on January 13, 2019, 09:48:10 AM
Solar: I'm going to create a Straw man.
Yushin: Wut?
Solar: What is yer problem?
I'm sorry. If it makes you feel comfortable threatening posters with a change of venue so that you are not burdened with actually engaging in an intellectually challenging discussion. This is such a pussy move, I think that I may be attracted to you. :smile:
I told you that I did NOT steer, or want to impeccably discuss, the religious nature of this topic.
But, it seems that your goober-heaed mentality has rolled the dice and landed here.
So, go ahead. Be a mental midget.
What's next?
Banishment from the kingdom?
Again, WTF is your problem? I posted a reply, yet you appear set on making this thread about you?
Well, that shit won't fly here, so I'll give you one more chance to reply to my post. Got it?
Quote from: Solar on January 13, 2019, 09:51:44 AM
Again, WTF is your problem?
Again. engage or be on with you.
QuoteI posted a reply, yet you appear set on making this thread about you?
Well, that shiot won't fly here, so I'll give you one more chance to reply to my post. Got it?
Solar is a intellectually retarded tyrant that cannot muster the brain cells to actually engage in a discussion. What he will do is, like that sniveling little corporal Hitler fuck did is, erase any history of embarrassing counterintelligence. Fuck off Solar. You numbskull. You're about as bright as turd.
Waiting to be banished in..... 5, 4, 3.... :popcorn:
Quote from: Yushin on January 13, 2019, 10:01:05 AM
Waiting to be banished in..... 5, 4, 3.... :popcorn:
I see, you are incapable of debate, so you result to childish lib behavior.
Why, you can delete your own account, or are you so stupid that you need everything done for you, like the happy little socialist you are?
Now, be a good little commie and delete yourself.
Quote from: Yushin on January 13, 2019, 09:58:17 AM
Again. engage or be on with you.
Solar is a intellectually retarded tyrant that cannot muster the brain cells to actually engage in a discussion. What he will do is, like that sniveling little corporal Hitler fuck did is, erase any history of embarrassing counterintelligence. Fuck off Solar. You numbskull. You're about as bright as turd.
As always libs end up with the name calling. You picked this fight not understanding that Solar only desires to place posts where they belong. That way we keep threads "clean". If you don't like the way it is done here go back to your own circle jerk forum.
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 13, 2019, 10:21:53 AM
As always libs end up with the name calling. You picked this fight not understanding that Solar only desires to place posts where they belong. That way we keep threads "clean". If you don't like the way it is done here go back to your own circle jerk forum.
I think he did. :biggrin:
Quote from: taxed on January 12, 2019, 11:09:16 AM
Oh, sorry. I guess I was way off. I thought people back then got hungry, wanted shelter, improve life, and all that stuff, and were willing to trade labor, and/or get others to do the labor by compensating them in some way.
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Look, I'm uninterested in engaging in a urinary contest.
The essence of my initial post was direct and simple.
Some 5,500 years ago, the Sumerians of the Crescent developed
the first non-Tribal culture/society, whose hallmarks included:
* land as the source of subsistence,
* exchanging manual service (labor) for goods (food and shelter),
* the primacy of the spiritual, anchoring beliefs and the Natural Law.
Then around 1750, the French Enlightenment emerged along with
capitalism and political economy whose hallmarks included:
* industrial capitalism as the source of wealth creation,
* material betterment as the primary measure of success,
* liberte' (freedom) replacing the custom and tradition of
the Natural Law as Man's highest aspirational goal.
I assert that Mankind is emphatically Not better off for this trans-formative change.
Good bye but stay enlightened and informed!
Quote from: Walter Josh on January 13, 2019, 12:28:52 PM
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Look, I'm uninterested in engaging in a urinary contest.
The essence of my initial post was direct and simple.
Some 5,500 years ago, the Sumerians of the Crescent developed
the first non-Tribal culture/society, whose hallmarks included:
* land as the source of subsistence,
* exchanging manual service (labor) for goods (food and shelter),
* the primacy of the spiritual, anchoring beliefs and the Natural Law.
Then around 1750, the French Enlightenment emerged along with
capitalism and political economy whose hallmarks included:
* industrial capitalism as the source of wealth creation,
* material betterment as the primary measure of success,
* liberte' (freedom) replacing the custom and tradition of
the Natural Law as Man's highest aspirational goal.
I assert that Mankind is emphatically Not better off for this trans-formative change.
Good bye but stay enlightened and informed!
Walter, it's all good, we're all just rattling your cage. :laugh:
You are correct, around the 13th century the term "Capitalism was being refined to a broader sense than what previous centuries entailed..
But prior to its redefinition, there was always Capitalism/Natural Law, it was literally the epitome of free trade among tribes worldwide since the beginning of time.
The point I was trying to make was regardless of designation, the etymology of the term predates recorded history.
The terms capital and capitalist were used for centuries before the term capitalism was even a term, The word capital is derived from caput, which is Latin for "head." The most recognized form of wealth in historical documents was cattle/livestock.
A man would measure his wealth in the total head of cattle that he held. Closely related is the term pecuniary, which is in relationship to wealth which is derived from pecu, Latin for cattle. Over millennia, the idea of capital was generally used to define wealth. In relation to that of chattel, meaning personal property aside from land, also morphed from its broader use of capital.
Point being, Capitalism is and always has been Natural Law. But we all agree, the term itself eventually morphed and now has become bastardized via crony corporate leech/host relationship with corrupt governments over control of markets.