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Offline benthomas024

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I think billionaires should be treated like human beings they create jobs for the middle and lower classes through corporations. I disagree with the left that the working class does not benefit from corporations and billionaires. Corporations is what drive capitalism which is one of the best economic models to have in USA. So, in other words, we Americans should be grateful that corporations and billionaires benefit our lives and should be treated as fellow human beings and best friends to the American people. Without them, USA would not have freedom or liberty.

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I think billionaires should be treated like human beings they create jobs for the middle and lower classes through corporations. I disagree with the left that the working class does not benefit from corporations and billionaires. Corporations is what drive capitalism which is one of the best economic models to have in USA. So, in other words, we Americans should be grateful that corporations and billionaires benefit our lives and should be treated as fellow human beings and best friends to the American people. Without them, USA would not have freedom or liberty.
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Emphatically disagree.
Freedom, manifested in the astonishing creativity in both science and art; was a prominent trait in Ancient Greece while billionaires and capitalism didn't exist.
Man has walked the Earth for tens of thousands of years passing through various eras, among them the Fertile Crescent, the Classical Period of Greece and Rome, Scholasticism, the Renaissance, the Reformation and a hallmark of each was the vitality of the spiritual in Man's daily existence.
Then the Enlightenment dawned w/the Industrial Revolution following closely
These twin events transformed Mankind and hardly for the better, ushering in
material well being as a paramount virtue and its agent, the billionaire.
As the Cardinal of Mont-St-Michel asserted in the 12th century,
"We are mere dwarfs who only see as far as we do because we stand on the
massive shoulders of the Giants of the past who preceded us and made the
present possible." And those Giants don't include any billionaires!!!



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Emphatically disagree.
Freedom, manifested in the astonishing creativity in both science and art; was a prominent trait in Ancient Greece while billionaires and capitalism didn't exist.
Man has walked the Earth for tens of thousands of years passing through various eras, among them the Fertile Crescent, the Classical Period of Greece and Rome, Scholasticism, the Renaissance, the Reformation and a hallmark of each was the vitality of the spiritual in Man's daily existence.
Then the Enlightenment dawned w/the Industrial Revolution following closely
These twin events transformed Mankind and hardly for the better, ushering in
material well being as a paramount virtue and its agent, the billionaire.
As the Cardinal of Mont-St-Michel asserted in the 12th century,
"We are mere dwarfs who only see as far as we do because we stand on the
massive shoulders of the Giants of the past who preceded us and made the
present possible." And those Giants don't include any billionaires!!!

Quite the anti-capitalism rant.
"If you can't run with the big dawgs, stay on the porch!"

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Emphatically disagree.
Freedom, manifested in the astonishing creativity in both science and art; was a prominent trait in Ancient Greece while billionaires and capitalism didn't exist.
Man has walked the Earth for tens of thousands of years passing through various eras, among them the Fertile Crescent, the Classical Period of Greece and Rome, Scholasticism, the Renaissance, the Reformation and a hallmark of each was the vitality of the spiritual in Man's daily existence.
Then the Enlightenment dawned w/the Industrial Revolution following closely
These twin events transformed Mankind and hardly for the better, ushering in
material well being as a paramount virtue and its agent, the billionaire.
As the Cardinal of Mont-St-Michel asserted in the 12th century,
"We are mere dwarfs who only see as far as we do because we stand on the
massive shoulders of the Giants of the past who preceded us and made the
present possible." And those Giants don't include any billionaires!!!
Capitalism has been around since the beginning of time, though called many names, fair trade was its descriptor.
It kept communities thriving, trade with enemies at peace. Capitalism is the most basic of systems, it literally defines commerce.
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Offline Walter Josh

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Capitalism has been around since the beginning of time, though called many names, fair trade was its descriptor.
It kept communities thriving, trade with enemies at peace. Capitalism is the most basic of systems, it literally defines commerce.
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Respectfully disagree.
Sure markets existed since agriculture in the Fertile Crescent BC but
certainly not capitalism.
This economic system was fostered by the 18th century Enlightenment,
where the levers of production are controlled by industrialists for profit,
as Adam Smith detailed in his "Wealth of Nations."
I have no issue w/any economic system, be it ancient agriculture or modern
widget production, excepting socialism, since they are value neutral.
Rather my issue is w/the materialism capitalism fostered, which has
largely replaced the spiritual; leaving a deadly impact on culture/society.
Anyone unaware of this reality, suggest they take a hard look at religion
and at what we label 'modern art", be it architecture, music, portraiture
and the rest.

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Respectfully disagree.
Sure markets existed since agriculture in the Fertile Crescent BC but
certainly not capitalism.
This economic system was fostered by the 18th century Enlightenment,
where the levers of production are controlled by industrialists for profit,
as Adam Smith detailed in his "Wealth of Nations."
I have no issue w/any economic system, be it ancient agriculture or modern
widget production, excepting socialism, since they are value neutral.
Rather my issue is w/the materialism capitalism fostered, which has
largely replaced the spiritual; leaving a deadly impact on culture/society.
Anyone unaware of this reality, suggest they take a hard look at religion
and at what we label 'modern art", be it architecture, music, portraiture
and the rest.

It absolutely has been around since the beginning of time. Not only since one person decided to trade their labor, but since someone decided to save resources to increase production.  Here's a good primer for you:

https://mises.org/library/how-saving-grows-economy
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Offline Walter Josh

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It absolutely has been around since the beginning of time. Not only since one person decided to trade their labor, but since someone decided to save resources to increase production.  Here's a good primer for you:
https://mises.org/library/how-saving-grows-economy
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So you're right but Adam Smith was wrong? Hmm...........
Anyway, I was making a larger point which escaped notice.





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Respectfully disagree.
Sure markets existed since agriculture in the Fertile Crescent BC but
certainly not capitalism.
This economic system was fostered by the 18th century Enlightenment,
where the levers of production are controlled by industrialists for profit,
as Adam Smith detailed in his "Wealth of Nations."
I have no issue w/any economic system, be it ancient agriculture or modern
widget production, excepting socialism, since they are value neutral.
Rather my issue is w/the materialism capitalism fostered, which has
largely replaced the spiritual; leaving a deadly impact on culture/society.
Anyone unaware of this reality, suggest they take a hard look at religion
and at what we label 'modern art", be it architecture, music, portraiture
and the rest.

"Rather my issue is w/the materialism capitalism fostered, which has
largely replaced the spiritual;"

This can be true, but it is not universal. There is nothing wrong with the desire to succeed. If one applies their self better than their neighbor they will earn more material rewards. That can be done without hurting the neighbor. Is it your position that if one person earns more than their neighbor it is evil?
"If you can't run with the big dawgs, stay on the porch!"

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So you're right but Adam Smith was wrong? Hmm...........
Anyway, I was making a larger point which escaped notice.

What is the disagreement, specifically, between Adam Smith, from your perspective?
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Respectfully disagree.
Sure markets existed since agriculture in the Fertile Crescent BC but
certainly not capitalism.
This economic system was fostered by the 18th century Enlightenment,
where the levers of production are controlled by industrialists for profit,
as Adam Smith detailed in his "Wealth of Nations."
I have no issue w/any economic system, be it ancient agriculture or modern
widget production, excepting socialism, since they are value neutral.
Rather my issue is w/the materialism capitalism fostered, which has
largely replaced the spiritual; leaving a deadly impact on culture/society.
Anyone unaware of this reality, suggest they take a hard look at religion
and at what we label 'modern art", be it architecture, music, portraiture
and the rest.
I definitely "Respectfully " disagree, that is the bastardization of pure Capitalism.
True, though the term was developing in the 13 century, The underlying core of capitalism is the use of wealth to create more wealth, meaning, if one has an abundance of a given product, he needed to find a customer/mkt to exploit said wealth.
This all started when one man had a bounty of fish, while another had an over stock of grains, and the two bartered. In fact, when these trades grew, peace grew as well, meaning capitalism is the most purest form of trade on the planet.
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Of course they are human beings but surely anyone can think of some evil human beings.  Can we post two youtubes?  Guess I'll find out.

For the reader see:  http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27833494-dark-money   Movie on topic linked below.








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We don't accept "TED" as a valid source of opinion.
First Amendment isn't just Freedom Of Speech, it's Freedom Of Conscience.

Who made you the arbiter of morality? You are not Government but you sure are acting like one.

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We don't accept "TED" as a valid source of opinion.
Not all TED talks are bad, I've seen some pretty good stuff from them. Red pill is one of them.
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Offline Walter Josh

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"Rather my issue is w/the materialism capitalism fostered, which has
largely replaced the spiritual;"

This can be true, but it is not universal. There is nothing wrong with the desire to succeed. If one applies their self better than their neighbor they will earn more material rewards. That can be done without hurting the neighbor. Is it your position that if one person earns more than their neighbor it is evil?
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To your credit you grasped my core point.
My attitude replicates Matthew, that Man cannot survive by bread alone.
Anyone oblivious to our spiritual disintegration as a culture/society is a
dead man walking.


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What is the disagreement, specifically, between Adam Smith, from your perspective?
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What disagreement??????
If Smith's plain English is to complicated for you,
try his colleagues, David Ricardo and Thomas Malthus.

 

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