Quote from: zewazir on July 05, 2015, 01:50:22 PM
Which is probably the main factor in the reason that, even going back a full decade, the number of "shootouts" involving a person (not law enforcement) who is legally carrying, which results in the injury or death of an innocent bystander is ZERO.  Despite liberal rhetoric to the contrary, the VAST majority of law abiding gun owners understand their responsibility, and the fact that a firearm is not something to take lightly.

I would not fire in a crowd, either, despite the ability to drill the bad guy target sitting between two good guy targets 100% of the time on the range.  I understand that the range isn't real life. Real life, the targets move, if nothing else. My point is not against the concept that crowded streets make for very dicey situations when law enforcement is forced to fight it out with criminal (or bunch of criminals) amongst a large crowd of bystanders. My point is that this concern has absolutely nothing to do with legal ownership of firearms.

Taking firearms from the hands of law abiding citizens under the excuse that they might accidentally injure someone in a firefight on a crowded street is just one more of those liberal "what if" scenarios they love to tout in defense of their idiot anti-gun policies.

Couldn't agree more. Yes, there was a time when I had expert aim, but like you said, real life is not a stationary target.
And yes, leftists are notorious for straw men scenarios that never happen, and when one does, they instantly attempt to capitalize on it.

Quote from: darroll on July 05, 2015, 11:31:05 AM
I have not seen one cop shooting that was not justified.
Maybe I should have tunnel vision too.

I guess you never heard of - or ignored - the shooting of Walter Scott. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=north+charleston+police+shooting+video&FORM=VIRE2#view=detail&mid=E1B9E09900D7026939F5E1B9E09900D7026939F5

Quote from: mdgiles on July 05, 2015, 02:04:40 PM
I guess you never heard of - or ignored - the shooting of Walter Scott. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=north+charleston+police+shooting+video&FORM=VIRE2#view=detail&mid=E1B9E09900D7026939F5E1B9E09900D7026939F5

So what happened to the cop?

Never mind. I see he's being charged with murder.

Quote from: mdgiles on July 05, 2015, 01:56:51 PM
No I mean lIke the Academic who claimed to have received racist or sexist hate mail. As for Ferguson, I get suspicious when police investigate possible crimes by police, and find that - surprise - they're innocent. I also wonder why, after having seen video after video of police shootings and brutality, or read stories of them breaking in and shooting 80 year old grandmothers; some people can still convince themselves that the police are "always" to be trusted.

Ferguson was also investigated by the State and the Holder Justice Dept. and they all exonerated officer Wilson! There are much better example's of bad police shootings Brown should never been made their poster boy. The whole hands up don't shoot movement is a lie!

Quote from: mdgiles on July 05, 2015, 01:56:51 PM
No I mean lIke the Academic who claimed to have received racist or sexist hate mail. As for Ferguson, I get suspicious when police investigate possible crimes by police, and find that - surprise - they're innocent. I also wonder why, after having seen video after video of police shootings and brutality, or read stories of them breaking in and shooting 80 year old grandmothers; some people can still convince themselves that the police are "always" to be trusted.

But for some unknown reason, you only get upset about those crimes when the victims are black.

I guess white lives don't matter... much...

Quote from: mdgiles on July 05, 2015, 02:04:40 PM
I guess you never heard of - or ignored - the shooting of Walter Scott. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=north+charleston+police+shooting+video&FORM=VIRE2#view=detail&mid=E1B9E09900D7026939F5E1B9E09900D7026939F5

To try and be fair.
The guy ran to the fence trying to gather information on the shooting with his cell phone. He only showed the shooting of the running guy.  But.. I'm not an attorney, but what happened before he shot the guy?
This is just a half of a story? Right or wrong? That not evidence at all.

Quote from: darroll on July 05, 2015, 03:38:52 PM
To try and be fair.
The guy ran to the fence trying to gather information on the shooting with his cell phone. He only showed the shooting of the running guy.  But.. I'm not an attorney, but what happened before he shot the guy?
This is just a half of a story? Right or wrong? That not evidence at all.

That cop was plain wrong!! There is no justification in the shooting. Had he waited just 20 seconds more the guy he shot would have run right into the cops back up coming from the direction the man was running!

Like my Mother used to say. People are going off half cocked.

Who knows that they were fighting over the cops gun?

This is just about race.

Quote from: darroll on July 05, 2015, 03:51:41 PM
Like my Mother used to say. People are going off half cocked.

Who knows that they were fighting over the cops gun?

This is just about race.

He lied about the man stealing his Taser it was at his feet in the video. Then the same video shows him moving it over to where the mans body was!
Not all shooting are good shooting and be supporting the obviously bad shooter we lose credibility supporting the others! This cop was wrong! Look up the video from his dash cam and it will show why he was chasing him in the first place! Nothing justified shooting that man repeatedly in the back!

I looked at the footage again. He kicked the object on the ground?
Sorry if I was on the jury I could see no evidence that the cop just wanted to shoot someone.

Quote from: darroll on July 05, 2015, 04:11:16 PM
I looked at the footage again. He kicked the object on the ground?
Sorry if I was on the jury I could see no evidence that the cop just wanted to shoot someone.

But, if you were on a jury, that is not the question you would be confronted with.

What you would be judging - if you were on a jury - would be was the cop justified in using deadly force i.e. was the suspect an immediate threat to the police officer, or any civilians in the immediate area. If you can't answer "Yes" beyond a reasonable doubt, then the shooting wasn't justified.

Quote from: darroll on July 05, 2015, 04:11:16 PM
I looked at the footage again. He kicked the object on the ground?
Sorry if I was on the jury I could see no evidence that the cop just wanted to shoot someone.

No he licked it up after shooting the man and put it on the ground next to the body. After talking to the back up cop he picked the Taser back up! He was trying to mess with the crime scene!

Tampering with evidence  maybe yes?

But cold blooded murder no.

When one watches the cam from the officer's car, the subject just opens the door to his car an flees.  Nowhere  do I see a reason to shoot.

Quote from: darroll on July 05, 2015, 05:02:27 PM
Tampering with evidence  maybe yes?

But cold blooded murder no.

What degree is up to9 the prosecutors and the jury. Manslaughter, 2nd degree murder or 1st degree! it was a bad shooting and he knew it himself or he wouldn't have tapered with the evidence!
The Guy he killed was a retired chief petty office with a stupid warrant out. The Guy should not have run but that is not enough to justify the officers shooting him in the back!!
This cop was the poster boy for a bad shooting and gives all the other officers a bad name by his evidence tampering!