One good example why being a liberal is a mental disorder.

Keep smoking the weed libs.

Quote from: darroll on July 03, 2015, 11:10:22 AM
You cop haters are not going to like martial law..........
Bang, Bang, let me see your hands.

Are you sayin', a leetle push-back?

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 03, 2015, 03:18:55 PM

So are the mischevious lads that officer O'Malley used to keep in line with a stern look along with Mrs Bumgartner and silly old Walter, Nowadays Eddie Haskal, Wally and the Beav are replaced by gang bangers with two or three homicides under their belt.

Stop pretending that the rest of society is still in 1955 and get real

Yeah, putting them into opposite corners just isn't gettin' it....

Quote from: red_dirt on July 04, 2015, 04:13:02 AM
This lawless movement, painful as it is, could be good for us in the long run.
The police and military have been toying with liberalism now going on for over fifty years, maybe longer.  Roosevelt? Eisenhower? Nixon? I don't know. I do know that by the time of Nixon, it was an established pattern.  Community policing, sensitivity training, the New York Police Department, media cops, all that baloney.

One of my mentors in life was a Chicago police officer in the 1920's and 30's.

I have felt for a long time, now, the command ranks of both the military and the police have been infiltrated by leftist fairies. There can be no doubt that Congress has not been left out of the mix. 

The question is, how bad is it?

While being "infiltrated by leftist fairies" may be a bit overboard, I do believe you have hit close to the mark.  I was in on some of the planning for the community policing push in the NYPD in the early eighties.  The liberal academia that pushed it did the city a disservice in that crime continued to rise and the patrol arm lost these officers since they could not be deployed to fight the crime surge.  The community police officers tended to disappear doing their neighborhood liaison and the intel filtering back was not worth the deployment.  Crime in NYC dropped when NYC adopted the broken windows strategy, increased stop and frisk, and implemented comstat to pinpoint patterns of crime.

Now Diblasio and Bratton are trying to resurrect the failed community policing model...a model which may work in smaller communities but gets overwhelmed in large municipalities.

Quote from: darroll on July 03, 2015, 11:10:22 AM
You cop haters are not going to like martial law..........
Bang, Bang, let me see your hands.

Even you cop lovers won't like martial law. I'm sure lots of Germans were glad when the Nazis "restored" order. Remember, be careful what you wish for.

Quote from: mdgiles on July 04, 2015, 08:31:39 AM
Even you cop lovers won't like martial law. I'm sure lots of Germans were glad when the Nazis "restored" order. Remember, be careful what you wish for.

MD, I'd like to see you go on a ride along and report back what you see, good or bad, your perspective might just be enlightening for everyone.
Would you do that for us?

Quote from: walkstall on July 03, 2015, 06:51:53 PM
ROTFLMAF  Dam I am sorry the police can not be a perfect as you would like them to be.  When you get your black brother to pull there head out of there ass and be perfect 100% of the time.  Then I will demand that the police do also.   

I would like to see everybody cell phone camera, as proof of your BS!
I walk round with a cell phone camera and have not used it once for that.  Are there bad police, hell yes but there more bad black people then there a bad police.  Let see the black people clean up there own act.  Why are you not bitching about all the blacks killing blacks everyday?    I don't see you posting about that every time a black kills a black.   Now that's the way I see it as a half breed.

Me too, as  a 1/4 halfbreed.  You've perfectly described this situation. 

Quote from: bluelieu on July 04, 2015, 07:54:04 AM
While being "infiltrated by leftist fairies" may be a bit overboard, I do believe you have hit close to the mark.

I fight the tendency to hyperbole, sometimes without success.

The pendulum swings. Maybe the Obama experience will have been enough to push it out of these flirtations with  Miss Liberal.  No one wants to say anything to him because he's blay-yak. Never saw such idolation heaped on such a screw up. I don't think Hillarys excuse  cuts it, either way.

The only way out that I can see is to pick a suburb or promising rural area and hope you guess right. Right now, it's on hold on account of instability. Long range requires predictability. Impulse control affects predictability. NYC is its own little world.

Quote from: Solar on July 04, 2015, 08:39:24 AM
MD, I'd like to see you go on a ride along and report back what you see, good or bad, your perspective might just be enlightening for everyone.
Would you do that for us?

The thing is, I was born and raised in one of those inner city neighborhoods, so I got to see all kinds of people - good, bad and indifferent. I'm not a policeman - who often come from and live in the suburbs - making my judgements on the few perps and victims I interact with. BTW, IIRC you live out in the sticks in Northern California, so why exactly do you feel qualified to lecture me on what I know about big city policing?

Quote from: bluelieu on July 04, 2015, 07:54:04 AM


While being "infiltrated by leftist fairies" may be a bit overboard, I do believe you have hit close to the mark.  I was in on some of the planning for the community policing push in the NYPD in the early eighties.  The liberal academia that pushed it did the city a disservice in that crime continued to rise and the patrol arm lost these officers since they could not be deployed to fight the crime surge.  The community police officers tended to disappear doing their neighborhood liaison and the intel filtering back was not worth the deployment.  Crime in NYC dropped when NYC adopted the broken windows strategy, increased stop and frisk, and implemented comstat to pinpoint patterns of crime.

Now Diblasio and Bratton are trying to resurrect the failed community policing model...a model which may work in smaller communities but gets overwhelmed in large municipalities.

The thing about the broken windows strategy; yes, it's very successful in fighting crime and lowering the crime rate. But once you've lowered the crime rate it becomes perceived as nothing more than harassment. If there's little, to no crime, how would you feel about being stopped and frisked on the streets - especially when the stopping and frisking tends to be concentrated in the minority areas of the city. And BTW, when you stop and frisk mainly in minority areas, using as an excuse that you're getting guns off the street, aren't you buying into the Libtard belief that a gun, somehow, causes crime? What exactly does having a gun make a minority guilty of - besides having a gun. You seem to be missing the underlying bigotry in the assumption that a minority with a gun is automatically a felon.

Quote from: mdgiles on July 04, 2015, 09:50:03 AM
The thing is, I was born and raised in one of those inner city neighborhoods, so I got to see all kinds of people - good, bad and indifferent. I'm not a policeman - who often come from and live in the suburbs - making my judgements on the few perps and victims I interact with. BTW, IIRC you live out in the sticks in Northern California, so why exactly do you feel qualified to lecture me on what I know about big city policing?

Lecture? I merely asked that you give us your perspective by riding along with law enforcement.
It was a fair question, considering your animosity toward police in general, it would be interesting if not enlightening, possibly educational, considering many of us don't live in the big city.

I can give the perspective from the Capitol of Ca, or rural America, but that's far different from the East coast, where racial issues are at a boil.
Anyway, I can only assume, considering it's not that way out here, we all still get along, because we want to.

Quote from: mdgiles on July 04, 2015, 10:02:39 AM
The thing about the broken windows strategy; yes, it's very successful in fighting crime and lowering the crime rate. But once you've lowered the crime rate it becomes perceived as nothing more than harassment. If there's little, to no crime, how would you feel about being stopped and frisked on the streets - especially when the stopping and frisking tends to be concentrated in the minority areas of the city. And BTW, when you stop and frisk mainly in minority areas, using as an excuse that you're getting guns off the street, aren't you buying into the Libtard belief that a gun, somehow, causes crime? What exactly does having a gun make a minority guilty of - besides having a gun. You seem to be missing the underlying bigotry in the assumption that a minority with a gun is automatically a felon.

Jeeeez, do you really think people fall for your bull shit straw men when you put words in peoples mouth they never uttered or intended?
Man MD, you are seriously losing cred on this forum.

Quote from: Solar on July 04, 2015, 08:39:24 AM
MD, I'd like to see you go on a ride along and report back what you see, good or bad, your perspective might just be enlightening for everyone.
Would you do that for us?

Been there, both at state and city levels. I knew the human beings in those uniforms and I was struck by the risks we ask them to take in our behalf, all so we can vilify them either way for what they actually do, when decisions must be made split-second. There is not enough money on this earth to get me to do night-time road-stops on I-75, anywhere in Wayne or Monroe Counties in Michigan.

Quote from: bluelieu on July 03, 2015, 02:45:41 PM
I closed this useless argument when it was stated that the buying selling and using of crystal meth is a victimless crime and that we are to believe he was not a drug dealer because his mother said so.

Regardless of what his mother said or didn't say, there is the simple matter of evidence!

Police have admitted that they never actually witnessed Blair selling any meth. The raid uncovered a small amount of cannabis and a small vial which the police claim contains meth.

And then there is that annoying little thing called the Presumption of Innocence.

The presumption of innocence is one of the most important and ancient rights embodied in criminal justice systems around the world. The right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty is one of those principle that influences the treatment to which an accused person is subjected from the criminal investigations through the trial proceedings, up to and including the end of the final appeal.

http://defensewiki.ibj.org/index.php/Presumption_of_Innocence


Finally, if he was a drug dealer, shouldn't he have some... um... well... drugs?

The raid uncovered a small amount of cannabis and a small vial which the police claim contains meth.

I'm sorry, but this was fucking murder!

Quote from: Solar on July 04, 2015, 10:08:09 AM
Lecture? I merely asked that you give us your perspective by riding along with law enforcement.
It was a fair question, considering your animosity toward police in general, it would be interesting if not enlightening, possibly educational, considering many of us don't live in the big city.

I can give the perspective from the Capitol of Ca, or rural America, but that's far different from the East coast, where racial issues are at a boil.
Anyway, I can only assume, considering it's not that way out here, we all still get along, because we want to.

My animus is toward ALL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES. I DON'T TRUST THEM. I don't believe this, having seen how many different government agencies act, you assume I'm supposed to single out the one, or two, "good ones". I say keep a suspicious eye on all of them, because any of them could turn on the public in a minute. Most people on this site are conservative. Isn't that why we want to be armed?