Quote from: Walter Josh on November 30, 2017, 06:47:51 PM
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nzone,
Solar is factually correct about Tillerson.
All this back and forth reminds me of a comment made many years ago by Milton Friedman, in an
interview by William Buckley; who asked him the most important position in the corporate hierarchy.
Friedman responded, " Obviously it's their Chief Lobbyist and Law Firm in DC."

Quote from: Walter Josh on November 30, 2017, 06:47:51 PM
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nzone,
Solar is factually correct about Tillerson.
All this back and forth reminds me of a comment made many years ago by Milton Friedman, in an
interview by William Buckley; who asked him the most important position in the corporate hierarchy.
Friedman responded, " Obviously it's their Chief Lobbyist and Law Firm in DC."

Spot On!!!
Friedman was absolutely correct in identifying corporate America. The evil side of capitalism, a host/leach symbiotic relationship between business and government.
Both are the leech, while the taxpayer, is the host.

Quote from: Hoofer on November 30, 2017, 05:57:50 PM
Good observation!   Here's the problem, as I see it, and it's always related to the market & debt.
A company wishes to grow, not organically (increased sales) but by a huge influx of CASH.  They sell stock to raise cash, and begin expanding, hoping they will increase sales.   The people/person at the top, who founded the business, knows everything about it from the bottom up - isn't necessary, because now they have a board of directors.   The board of directors, a bunch of buddies and hacks who know *nothing* of the actual business - but, have all the right wall-street & banking connections.  They take the company to new depths of debt (they're expensive, themselves), and convince the company staff, "This is a great idea!!!" 

In comes another company head, the money manipulator, Mr. EBIDA.  Debt just becomes the norm, stock is falsely inflated, and everyone is happy-happy-happy, so long as the stock doesn't tank.  Every small businessman knows, debt is the cancer, eating away at real growth.  In big business, debt is the just the expense-of-doing-business, a welcome write-off, nothing inflation can't fix!  These non-company guys occupy several board-of-directorships across many businesses, and use those associations to leverage more lucrative positions for themselves... they have NO LOYALTY.

I believe Rex Tillerson is one of those guys with ZERO experience in the actual business at the ground level.  In-it-for-himself.

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Reflective and on the mark.
Adam Smith asserted that the sole proprietorship was the natural structure
for the creation and sustenance of economic well being in the nation-state.
Later, our Industrial Revolution, post Civil War, became the catalyst for the
modern bureaucratic corporate structure, put in place by GOP politicos;
ascendant for the 70 years from  from Johnston to Hoover.
Lotsa frauds, hustlers and bullshit artists in our corporate hierarchy.
Doubt it??? Just tune in for your daily dose of "business news".

Quote from: Hoofer on November 30, 2017, 06:49:52 PM

All 3 posters on here enjoy??? Look who is calling the shots ? :

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/30/report-jared-kushner-pushing-for-rex-tillersons-ouster-after-ivanka-snub/

Quote from: Walter Josh on November 30, 2017, 07:38:03 PM
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Reflective and on the mark.
Adam Smith asserted that the sole proprietorship was the natural structure for the creation and sustenance of economic well being in the nation-state.
Later, our Industrial Revolution, post Civil War, became the catalyst for the modern bureaucratic corporate structure, put in place by GOP politicos; ascendant for the 70 years from  from Johnston to Hoover.
Lotsa frauds, hustlers and bullshit artists in our corporate hierarchy.
Doubt it??? Just tune in for your daily dose of "business news".

A whole another topic, 'Is small business -or- big business the American Way?'   Several financial advisors have written books warning the small business startup not to do a partnership.   Having made that mistake once myself, sole proprietorship is the only way I've gone since.  I heard there's a program on TV that glorifies investment partnerships for inventors and startups - wonder if those guys with the good ideas realize they're gonna get fleeced by investors?

That old saying, "You gotta SPEND money to MAKE money." was probably coined by a hedge fund manager or speculative investor.
Truth is, you gotta sell product to make money, the other way is just paper trading hands.
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This Tillerson guy was sold as, "Finally!  We got someone who understands business in the State Dept.  That'll be GREAT again for the American economy.   A PRO-business presidency."   Still scratching my head, wondering, HOW a does an International businessman automatically translate into "good" for United States of America - or does he know no borders?

Quote from: nzone on December 01, 2017, 04:36:08 AM
All 3 posters on here enjoy??? Look who is calling the shots ? :

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/30/report-jared-kushner-pushing-for-rex-tillersons-ouster-after-ivanka-snub/

You do know how Friedman is, right, you do know the difference between simple business infrastructure and the corporate entity, right?
So what's the problem?

I gave you Tillerson's credentials list, and those were just a few, he has a laundry list of leftist causes, but because he was a CEO of Exxon, you're willing to overlook all of that?
Truth is, he is the epitome of DC Swamp, he is a hybrid politician, he not only feeds lobbyists but cozies up to world leaders, even communist ones to further business interests.
Though nothing wrong with doing what your shareholders want, problem is, it's not always in America's best interests, which is why he has lobbyists, why he greases the palms of leftist charities, such as the Clinton Foundation.

Fact is, the man you heralded is nothing more than your run of the mill leftist RINO.
Do you get why getting rid of this guy, the same guy that called Trump a moron, is a good idea?
Just because he never ran for office, doesn't mean he isn't a sewer rat leader.

Quote from: Solar on December 01, 2017, 05:07:40 AM
You do know how Friedman is, right, you do know the difference between simple business infrastructure and the corporate entity, right?
So what's the problem?

I gave you Tillerson's credentials list, and those were just a few, he has a laundry list of leftist causes, but because he was a CEO of Exxon, you're willing to overlook all of that?
Truth is, he is the epitome of DC Swamp, he is a hybrid politician, he not only feeds lobbyists but cozies up to world leaders, even communist ones to further business interests.
Though nothing wrong with doing what your shareholders want, problem is, it's not always in America's best interests, which is why he has lobbyists, why he greases the palms of leftist charities, such as the Clinton Foundation.

Fact is, the man you heralded is nothing more than your run of the mill leftist RINO.
Do you get why getting rid of this guy, the same guy that called Trump a moron, is a good idea?
Just because he never ran for office, doesn't mean he isn't a sewer rat leader.

What the hell was he suppose to do as CEO of the largest oil company in the world. Shun and not talk to world leaders, not do deals because SOLOR thinks that is wrong?? Looks I not going to get into a pissing contest with someone so shallow about business who just wants to try and make themselves look smart. Don't know what you have accomplished or worked for BUT it is obvious it was not a big picture involvement of business. Beside if he was such a F***up why did TRUMP pick him in the first place? As far as the SWAMP goes you have NO LINKS on anything and your info is heresay at best. YOUR Opine. I know disagreeing with you is not appreciated so ban me if that makes you feel good and the other 3 posters . T Rex was not in politics when he was CEO @ EXXON. If you cannot figure out what his main purpose was as CEO and dealing and supporting things he personally might have not have liked or agreed with  to make his objectives that is your problem. It is called getting results.  We will see how the politican does? He is better at kissing JARVANKA ass to keep on their good side and if does not JARVANKA will fire him. One thing is T REX does not need TRUMP or JARVANKA and he will not take crap from a do nothing, punk kid like JARVANKA. TRUMP will just announce another BUSHIE, CLINTON, Obama holdover appointment like he does ever time. Keep JEFFIE in place and all will be well with the SWAMP

Quote from: nzone on December 01, 2017, 05:36:58 AM
What the hell was he suppose to do as CEO of the largest oil company in the world. Shun and not talk to world leaders, not do deals because SOLOR thinks that is wrong??

One's character is judged by the company one keeps, and this character was given the highest civilian honor by the former head of the KGB of the former USSR Communist party.
What if the KKK, or BLM, NAMBLA had honored him, is that where you draw the line?
But this didn't set off red flags for you?

Quote from: Solar on November 21, 2017, 03:03:38 PM
The State Department on Monday commemorated Transgender Day of Remembrance, honoring transgenders who died through "acts of violence."

"On Transgender Day of Remembrance, the United States honors the memory of the many transgender individuals who have lost their lives to acts of violence," Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said in a statement.
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"Transgender individuals and their advocates, along with lesbian, gay, bisexual and intersex persons, are facing increasing physical attacks and arbitrary arrests in many parts of the world. Often these attacks are perpetrated by government officials, undermining the rule of law," Tillerson added.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-arter/state-dept-marks-transgender-day-remembrance

QuoteLooks I not going to get into a pissing contest with someone so shallow about business who just wants to try and make themselves look smart.

Oh Jeeez, you are the one that started this nonsense in the first place by backing a Clinton supporter over a known Conservative.

QuoteDon't know what you have accomplished or worked for BUT it is obvious it was not a big picture involvement of business.

Been in business all my life, CEO/Owner of several successful businesses, retired in my 40s after my final successful venture.
WTF have you done, and do you really want to lower yourself even further by personalizing your bitchfest?

QuoteBeside if he was such a F***up why did TRUMP pick him in the first place? As far as the SWAMP goes you have NO LINKS on anything and your info is heresay at best. YOUR Opine.

Just because you want to hide from the truth, doesn't make it go away. If you're so certain I'm wrong, prove it.

QuoteI know disagreeing with you is not appreciated so ban me

Why would I do that? Just because you fail at actual debate, make idiotic remarks and fail at attempted subtle insults. is no reason to ban anyone.

Quoteif that makes you feel good and the other 3 posters . T Rex was not in politics when he was CEO @ EXXON.

Oh Jeeeez, his very position is dealing in politics, that's why he was hired, he's a professional schmoozer, the very reason he gave the Clinton foundation a million dollars, he was buttering up the Secretary of State.
Is this shit sinking in yet?

QuoteIf you cannot figure out what his main purpose was as CEO and dealing and supporting things he personally might have not have liked or agreed with  to make his objectives that is your problem. It is called getting results.

I see, so little things like "Values" getting in the way, in your world, isn't a big deal? Got it.

FWIW, I never once went against my core values in all my years in business, not once, even turned down million dollar closed bids because it went against my system of values.

QuoteWe will see how the politican does? He is better at kissing JARVANKA ass to keep on their good side and if does not JARVANKA will fire him. One thing is T REX does not need TRUMP or JARVANKA and he will not take crap from a do nothing, punk kid like JARVANKA. TRUMP will just announce another BUSHIE, CLINTON, Obama holdover appointment like he does ever time. Keep JEFFIE in place and all will be well with the SWAMP

So that's your criteria? Anyone that detests your enemies "Jarvanka", is your ally?

Don't take this as an insult, because none is intended, but can you use a grammar check?
I use one, as do most here, but it really would make it easier to understand what point you're trying to convey.
google Iron has it as an addon under apps.

No one here is banning you, you're not getting off that easy.

Trump saw Tillerson as a successful international businessman, like Trump.  I believe he felt a kinship with the guy, and figured this experience would be a great  lead-in to international diplomacy.

What Trump didn't expect was Tillerson's relatively liberal and soft approach to most things.  And his inability to clean out the Obama - Clinton slags in the bureaucracy.

It happens every day in corporate America and govt.  Make your best call on staffing, see how it works, you get a win or a loss after 6 to 12 months.

At least Trump knows how to continually develop a winning organization.  Obama just had a litmus test that included racial agitation, communism sympathizing, and general support for everything Anti-America.  When he approved somebody on those criteria, they were good forever, or until they got into some sort of ethical mess that even Obama couldn't ignore.

Quote from: nzone on December 01, 2017, 05:36:58 AM
What the hell was he suppose to do as CEO of the largest oil company in the world. Shun and not talk to world leaders, not do deals because SOLOR thinks that is wrong?? Looks I not going to get into a pissing contest with someone so shallow about business who just wants to try and make themselves look smart. Don't know what you have accomplished or worked for BUT it is obvious it was not a big picture involvement of business. Beside if he was such a F***up why did TRUMP pick him in the first place? As far as the SWAMP goes you have NO LINKS on anything and your info is heresay at best. YOUR Opine. I know disagreeing with you is not appreciated so ban me if that makes you feel good and the other 3 posters . T Rex was not in politics when he was CEO @ EXXON. If you cannot figure out what his main purpose was as CEO and dealing and supporting things he personally might have not have liked or agreed with  to make his objectives that is your problem. It is called getting results.  We will see how the politican does? He is better at kissing JARVANKA ass to keep on their good side and if does not JARVANKA will fire him. One thing is T REX does not need TRUMP or JARVANKA and he will not take crap from a do nothing, punk kid like JARVANKA. TRUMP will just announce another BUSHIE, CLINTON, Obama holdover appointment like he does ever time. Keep JEFFIE in place and all will be well with the SWAMP

"WTF have you done, and do you really want to lower yourself even further by personalizing your bitchfest?"

Cannot compare to you ???? Only worked 19 years for top Corporate medical companies both domestic and international. Invented a product and hold 15 patents both design and utility and currently marketing and selling worldwide in the medical device business with my own company.  So that is WTF. See the difference. It is called the BIG PICTURE to get the results but I do not expect you to understand that? 


http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=107974

We've seen this type of "Edison / Einstein / Henry Ford" person before.  I've seen 'em on other websites as well.

Amazing that somebody just as successful as Trump and Tillerson spends his time on the internet bitching about Trump.  What a bizarre, unexpected hobby you have, my amazing inventor / CEO friend !

I also love the people who hate Trump, Bush, Reagan with a raging hate, but still are "lifelong republicans".  And those who tacitly support everything Obama-Hillary..... but "aren't liberal !".  The absolute best are the people who "voted republican for the last 50 years" but were forced to switch to Hillary "becuz evil Trump and evil Cruz".

If the internet does nothing else, it gives a voice and a place to be, to the world's littlest weasels.  I guess that's a good thing.  God bless 'em, I'm happy they have something.

Quote from: AndyJackson on December 01, 2017, 08:28:11 AM
Trump saw Tillerson as a successful international businessman, like Trump.  I believe he felt a kinship with the guy, and figured this experience would be a great  lead-in to international diplomacy.

What Trump didn't expect was Tillerson's relatively liberal and soft approach to most things.  And his inability to clean out the Obama - Clinton slags in the bureaucracy.

It happens every day in corporate America and govt.  Make your best call on staffing, see how it works, you get a win or a loss after 6 to 12 months.

At least Trump knows how to continually develop a winning organization.  Obama just had a litmus test that included racial agitation, communism sympathizing, and general support for everything Anti-America.  When he approved somebody on those criteria, they were good forever, or until they got into some sort of ethical mess that even Obama couldn't ignore.

Exactly correct Andy!
Trump chose someone he thought shared his interest in advancing American industry, but it turned out to be a huge mistake, so now Trump wants to replace him with another.
I don't see a problem, and if Pompeo doesn't work out, there are millions more people qualified for the position.

Quote from: nzone on December 01, 2017, 08:45:24 AM

"WTF have you done, and do you really want to lower yourself even further by personalizing your bitchfest?"

Cannot compare to you ???? Only worked 19 years for top Corporate medical companies both domestic and international. Invented a product and hold 15 patents both design and utility and currently marketing and selling worldwide in the medical device business with my own company.  So that is WTF. See the difference. It is called the BIG PICTURE to get the results but I do not expect you to understand that? 


http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=107974

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/12/01/defense-secretary-mattis-denies-white-house-plans-force-out-tillerson/

Quote from: AndyJackson on December 01, 2017, 09:12:50 AM
We've seen this type of "Edison / Einstein / Henry Ford" person before.  I've seen 'em on other websites as well.

Amazing that somebody just as successful as Trump and Tillerson spends his time on the internet bitching about Trump.  What a bizarre, unexpected hobby you have, my amazing inventor / CEO friend !

I also love the people who hate Trump, Bush, Reagan with a raging hate, but still are "lifelong republicans".  And those who tacitly support everything Obama-Hillary..... but "aren't liberal !".  The absolute best are the people who "voted republican for the last 50 years" but were forced to switch to Hillary "becuz evil Trump and evil Cruz".

If the internet does nothing else, it gives a voice and a place to be, to the world's littlest weasels.  I guess that's a good thing.  God bless 'em, I'm happy they have something.

That is real productive? Trooling the INTERNET to compare people. I hope you are happily retired and economically successful and bored to have the time looking at all the websites.

Quote from: nzone on December 01, 2017, 08:45:24 AM

"WTF have you done, and do you really want to lower yourself even further by personalizing your bitchfest?"

Cannot compare to you ???? Only worked 19 years for top Corporate medical companies both domestic and international. Invented a product and hold 15 patents both design and utility and currently marketing and selling worldwide in the medical device business with my own company.  So that is WTF. See the difference. It is called the BIG PICTURE to get the results but I do not expect you to understand that? 


http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=107974

So this is your definition of debate? I just gave you a bunch of reasons Tillerson needs to be gone, and all you can do is focus on a dick slinging match?
I think the difference between us is, I retired two decades ago, while you apparently still have to work.
I guess it depends on one's version of success. I also own 3 other websites promoting Conservatism. What are you doing for the Conservative cause, or is being a petulant twit starting arguments with people trying to elucidate others as to what is happening in the news, your contribution?

Go back through this thread, you'll find, it was you that got emotional over being challenged, I merely tried to expand on the subject of Tillerson's need to be removed.
Before this thread, you had no idea he supported the leftist cause for LGBTQ or whatever, nor did you know Vlad bestowed Russia's highest honor upon him, nor did you have a clue he had ties to the Clinton Foundation.
But go ahead, keep touting the praises of the liberal, it shows your credibility as a poster.