Current CIA director Mike Pompeo would reportedly replace Tillerson.
U.S. officials and individuals familiar with White House plans have spoken about the possibility of a broad shakeup in President Donald Trump's national security team. But the timing of such a change is unclear.
Also unclear is whether Pompeo has been approached about the Cabinet reshuffle, but another administration official said he is open to taking the job.
While the report claims President Trump has yet to sign off on the plan, it would not come as a surprise as the two have butted heads throughout the year over the Iran nuclear deal and North Korea.
https://www.local10.com/news/politics/report-white-house-to-remove-tillerson-as-secretary-of-state
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2017, 08:31:42 AM
Current CIA director Mike Pompeo would reportedly replace Tillerson.
U.S. officials and individuals familiar with White House plans have spoken about the possibility of a broad shakeup in President Donald Trump's national security team. But the timing of such a change is unclear.
Also unclear is whether Pompeo has been approached about the Cabinet reshuffle, but another administration official said he is open to taking the job.
While the report claims President Trump has yet to sign off on the plan, it would not come as a surprise as the two have butted heads throughout the year over the Iran nuclear deal and North Korea.
https://www.local10.com/news/politics/report-white-house-to-remove-tillerson-as-secretary-of-state
There have been so many reports in the past year about Tillerson resigning that I am going to wait until it happens. Part of this rumor is Tom Cotton would become head of the CIA. As a solid conservative I am not sure I would not desire for him to stay in the senate.
Quote from: supsalemgr on November 30, 2017, 08:56:32 AM
There have been so many reports in the past year about Tillerson resigning that I am going to wait until it happens. Part of this rumor is Tom Cotton would become head of the CIA. As a solid conservative I am not sure I would not desire for him to stay in the senate.
Even though it was the Slimes breaking the story, it sounds pretty credible. However, he's still there.
Mr. Pompeo would be replaced at the C.I.A. by Senator Tom Cotton, a Republican from Arkansas who has been a key ally of the president on national security matters, according to the White House plan.
Mr. Cotton has signaled that he would accept the job if offered, said the officials, who insisted on anonymity to discuss sensitive deliberations before decisions are announced.It was not immediately clear whether Mr. Trump has given final approval to the plan, but he has been said to have soured on Mr. Tillerson and in general is ready to make a change at the State Department.
Mr. Tillerson was at the White House on Thursday morning, although he was not listed on the White House public schedule.Asked by reporters if he wanted Mr. Tillerson to stay on the job on Thursday, Mr. Trump said only, "He's here. Rex is here."
John F. Kelly, the White House chief of staff, developed the transition plan and has discussed it with other officials. Under his plan, the shake-up of the national security team would happen around the end of the year or shortly afterward. But for all of his public combativeness, Mr. Trump is notoriously reluctant to fire people, and it was not known if Mr. Tillerson had agreed to step down by then. Public disclosure of Mr. Kelly's transition plan may be meant as a signal to the secretary that it is time to go.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/us/politics/state-department-tillerson-pompeo-trump.html
JARVANKA wins again. : Another TRUMP personnel mistake if it happens. :thumbdown:
Quote from: nzone on November 30, 2017, 09:22:17 AM
JARVANKA wins again. : Another TRUMP personnel mistake if it happens. :thumbdown:
Wait, getting rid of Tillerson is a mistake, how?
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2017, 09:57:25 AM
Wait, getting rid of Tillerson is a mistake, how?
Well let see. Lets put another career politican in their that know nothing except how to shake down people for money. The last two worked so well Kerry and Hillary. T Rex lead one of the largest and most successful Corporations in the world and I don't think BIG OIL is a problem and has worldwide experience through a set of business eyes. NOT Political but BUSINESS. Also, he is not a member of the SWAMP and that is the problem. Add to that that he believes JARVANKA is nothing but a punk kid who only claim to fame is nailing TRUMPs daughter and his farther and uncle are convicted felons and T RX does not have to suck up to them to stay on TRUMPs good side. TRUMP choice and look at his appointments and most hate him personally and 100% against his MAGA agenda. T Rex is loyal and for the MAGA but the Generals probably don't like him because he does not dance to orders. He does NOT have to dance to orders in the REAL WORLD he works in and that is something the Generals know nothing about the REAL WORLD other than fighting wars. So lets put another politican in the SOS , maybe even JARVANKA and that has showed to work so well in the last 40-50 years.
Quote from: nzone on November 30, 2017, 10:40:24 AM
Well let see. Lets put another career politican in their that know nothing except how to shake down people for money. The last two worked so well Kerry and Hillary. T Rex lead one of the largest and most successful Corporations in the world and I don't think BIG OIL is a problem and has worldwide experience through a set of business eyes. NOT Political but BUSINESS. Also, he is not a member of the SWAMP and that is the problem. Add to that that he believes JARVANKA is nothing but a punk kid who only claim to fame is nailing TRUMPs daughter and his farther and uncle are convicted felons and T RX does not have to suck up to them to stay on TRUMPs good side. TRUMP choice and look at his appointments and most hate him personally and 100% against his MAGA agenda. T Rex is loyal and for the MAGA but the Generals probably don't like him because he does not dance to orders. He does NOT have to dance to orders in the REAL WORLD he works in and that is something the Generals know nothing about the REAL WORLD other than fighting wars. So lets put another politican in the SOS , maybe even JARVANKA and that has showed to work so well in the last 40-50 years.
Check out Pompe's ACU rating @ 92.
http://acuratings.conservative.org/acu-federal-legislative-ratings/?year1=2016&chamber=11&state1=0&sortable=3
Then there's the issue of Tillerson being a solid leftist, in spite of your claim he's not of the swamp.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/wtf-why-is-tillerson-still-in-office/
Tillerson is your quintessential crony capitalist; the types who infest most of the corporate world
and who keep their ear glued to the ground as close as possible to the daily DC fandango.
Their position, derived from political pole dancing, has virtually nothing to do w/any grasp of economics.
Tillerson has absolutely zero in common w/predecessors such Jefferson. Jay, Madison, Monroe, Adams; among others.
As Ko-Ko sang (Mikado); he never will be missed.
Quote from: Walter Josh on November 30, 2017, 11:09:58 AM
Tillerson is your quintessential crony capitalist; the types who infest most of the corporate world
and who keep their ear glued to the ground as close as possible to the daily DC fandango.
Their position, derived from political pole dancing, has virtually nothing to do w/any grasp of economics.
Tillerson has absolutely zero in common w/predecessors such Jefferson. Jay, Madison, Monroe, Adams; among others.
As Ko-Ko sang (Mikado); he never will be missed.
The kind of capitalist that signed your checks or wrote you checks if you are or were in your own business. Or possibly paid people who in turn bought your products. What a BASTARD T Rex is. Also, no more member of the SWAMP that your are just not a politician that lives off other people taxes and he earned every dollar he has made and that SOB cannot do that and survive in GOV"T. Lets put another politican in his place and watch what happens???? You are about to find out. Go JARVANKA!!!!!
Quote from: nzone on November 30, 2017, 02:08:07 PM
What you're asserting is completely unclear.
Anyway, agree that Jared and Ivanka should not be in any position of influence.
However Trump is an absolute zero when judging character; as his nominees attest.
Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" was the economic blueprint for the modern industrial era.
Yet he intuitively understood that capitalism sowed the seeds of self interest and greed;
unless checked by adherence to the moral order of the Natural Law.
Our modern corporatists are largely consumed by this behavior and their performance
in the marketplace is testament to that cold reality.
Tillerson was just another member of that posse.
Quote from: nzone on November 30, 2017, 02:08:07 PM
The kind of capitalist that signed your checks or wrote you checks if you are or were in your own business. Or possibly paid people who in turn bought your products. What a BASTARD T Rex is. Also, no more member of the SWAMP that your are just not a politician that lives off other people taxes and he earned every dollar he has made and that SOB cannot do that and survive in GOV"T. Lets put another politican in his place and watch what happens???? You are about to find out. Go JARVANKA!!!!!
You do know as the CEO of Exxon, Tillerson advocated a Carbon Tax, was extremely cozy with the Clinton Foundation when they and Exxon partnered up.
You seem to be confusing American business with a global corporate entity that could give a shit about other than their bottom line.
Tillerson is connected to the swamp, be it with Putin, or DC, his being a CEO of a global corporation, places him dead center of DC politics.
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2017, 04:31:13 PM
You do know as the CEO of Exxon, Tillerson advocated a Carbon Tax, was extremely cozy with the Clinton Foundation when they and Exxon partnered up.
You seem to be confusing American business with a global corporate entity that could give a shit about other than their bottom line.
Tillerson is connected to the swamp, be it with Putin, or DC, his being a CEO of a global corporation, places him dead center of DC politics.
That is your opinion and as You frequently require where is the Link to backup TRex is a Swamp criter with Putin and DC. ? :drool:
Quote from: nzone on November 30, 2017, 05:27:06 PM
That is your opinion and as You frequently require where is the Link to backup TRex is a Swamp criter with Putin and DC. ? :drool:
Look it up, Putin Gave Tillerson Russia's highest civilian medal for work he did for Russian interests.
Again, it's not my fault you aren't up to date on politics, but again, there's nothing stopping you from starting now.
Go ahead, search Putin awards Tillerson medal, and the other, Clinton, Tillerson ties through the Clinton Foundation, it's out there, you just have to be willing to accept the truth about people you look up to.
Quote from: Walter Josh on November 30, 2017, 02:37:54 PM
What you're asserting is completely unclear.
Anyway, agree that Jared and Ivanka should not be in any position of influence.
However Trump is an absolute zero when judging character; as his nominees attest.
Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" was the economic blueprint for the modern industrial era.
Yet he intuitively understood that capitalism sowed the seeds of self interest and greed;
unless checked by adherence to the moral order of the Natural Law.
Our modern corporatists are largely consumed by this behavior and their performance
in the marketplace is testament to that cold reality.
Tillerson was just another member of that posse.
Good observation! Here's the problem, as I see it, and it's always related to the market & debt.
A company wishes to grow, not organically (increased sales) but by a huge influx of CASH. They sell stock to raise cash, and begin expanding, hoping they will increase sales. The people/person at the top, who founded the business, knows everything about it from the bottom up - isn't necessary, because now they have a board of directors. The board of directors, a bunch of buddies and hacks who know *nothing* of the actual business - but, have all the right wall-street & banking connections. They take the company to new depths of debt (they're expensive, themselves), and convince the company staff, "This is a great idea!!!"
In comes another company head, the money manipulator, Mr. EBIDA. Debt just becomes the norm, stock is falsely inflated, and everyone is happy-happy-happy, so long as the stock doesn't tank. Every small businessman knows, debt is the cancer, eating away at real growth. In big business, debt is the just the expense-of-doing-business, a welcome write-off, nothing inflation can't fix! These non-company guys occupy several board-of-directorships across many businesses, and use those associations to leverage more lucrative positions for themselves... they have NO LOYALTY.
I believe Rex Tillerson is one of those guys with ZERO experience in the actual business at the ground level. In-it-for-himself.
Quote from: nzone on November 30, 2017, 05:27:06 PM
That is your opinion and as You frequently require where is the Link to backup TRex is a Swamp criter with Putin and DC. ? :drool:
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nzone,
Solar is factually correct about Tillerson.
All this back and forth reminds me of a comment made many years ago by Milton Friedman, in an
interview by William Buckley; who asked him the most important position in the corporate hierarchy.
Friedman responded, " Obviously it's their Chief Lobbyist and Law Firm in DC."
Quote from: Walter Josh on November 30, 2017, 06:47:51 PM
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nzone,
Solar is factually correct about Tillerson.
All this back and forth reminds me of a comment made many years ago by Milton Friedman, in an
interview by William Buckley; who asked him the most important position in the corporate hierarchy.
Friedman responded, " Obviously it's their Chief Lobbyist and Law Firm in DC."
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Quote from: Walter Josh on November 30, 2017, 06:47:51 PM
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nzone,
Solar is factually correct about Tillerson.
All this back and forth reminds me of a comment made many years ago by Milton Friedman, in an
interview by William Buckley; who asked him the most important position in the corporate hierarchy.
Friedman responded, " Obviously it's their Chief Lobbyist and Law Firm in DC."
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Spot On!!!
Friedman was absolutely correct in identifying corporate America. The evil side of capitalism, a host/leach symbiotic relationship between business and government.
Both are the leech, while the taxpayer, is the host.
Quote from: Hoofer on November 30, 2017, 05:57:50 PM
Good observation! Here's the problem, as I see it, and it's always related to the market & debt.
A company wishes to grow, not organically (increased sales) but by a huge influx of CASH. They sell stock to raise cash, and begin expanding, hoping they will increase sales. The people/person at the top, who founded the business, knows everything about it from the bottom up - isn't necessary, because now they have a board of directors. The board of directors, a bunch of buddies and hacks who know *nothing* of the actual business - but, have all the right wall-street & banking connections. They take the company to new depths of debt (they're expensive, themselves), and convince the company staff, "This is a great idea!!!"
In comes another company head, the money manipulator, Mr. EBIDA. Debt just becomes the norm, stock is falsely inflated, and everyone is happy-happy-happy, so long as the stock doesn't tank. Every small businessman knows, debt is the cancer, eating away at real growth. In big business, debt is the just the expense-of-doing-business, a welcome write-off, nothing inflation can't fix! These non-company guys occupy several board-of-directorships across many businesses, and use those associations to leverage more lucrative positions for themselves... they have NO LOYALTY.
I believe Rex Tillerson is one of those guys with ZERO experience in the actual business at the ground level. In-it-for-himself.
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Reflective and on the mark.
Adam Smith asserted that the sole proprietorship was the natural structure
for the creation and sustenance of economic well being in the nation-state.
Later, our Industrial Revolution, post Civil War, became the catalyst for the
modern bureaucratic corporate structure, put in place by GOP politicos;
ascendant for the 70 years from from Johnston to Hoover.
Lotsa frauds, hustlers and bullshit artists in our corporate hierarchy.
Doubt it??? Just tune in for your daily dose of "business news".
Quote from: Hoofer on November 30, 2017, 06:49:52 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
All 3 posters on here enjoy??? Look who is calling the shots ? : :blink:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/30/report-jared-kushner-pushing-for-rex-tillersons-ouster-after-ivanka-snub/
Quote from: Walter Josh on November 30, 2017, 07:38:03 PM
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Reflective and on the mark.
Adam Smith asserted that the sole proprietorship was the natural structure for the creation and sustenance of economic well being in the nation-state.
Later, our Industrial Revolution, post Civil War, became the catalyst for the modern bureaucratic corporate structure, put in place by GOP politicos; ascendant for the 70 years from from Johnston to Hoover.
Lotsa frauds, hustlers and bullshit artists in our corporate hierarchy.
Doubt it??? Just tune in for your daily dose of "business news".
A whole another topic, 'Is small business -or- big business the American Way?' Several financial advisors have written books warning the small business startup
not to do a partnership. Having made that mistake once myself, sole proprietorship is the only way I've gone since. I heard there's a program on TV that glorifies investment partnerships for inventors and startups - wonder if those guys with the good ideas realize they're gonna get fleeced by investors?
That old saying, "You gotta SPEND money to MAKE money." was probably coined by a hedge fund manager or speculative investor.
Truth is, you gotta sell product to make money, the other way is just paper trading hands.
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This Tillerson guy was sold as, "Finally! We got someone who understands business in the State Dept. That'll be GREAT again for the American economy. A PRO-business presidency." Still scratching my head, wondering, HOW a does an International businessman automatically translate into "good" for United States of America - or does he know no borders?
Quote from: nzone on December 01, 2017, 04:36:08 AM
All 3 posters on here enjoy??? Look who is calling the shots ? : :blink:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/30/report-jared-kushner-pushing-for-rex-tillersons-ouster-after-ivanka-snub/
You do know how Friedman is, right, you do know the difference between simple business infrastructure and the corporate entity, right?
So what's the problem?
I gave you Tillerson's credentials list, and those were just a few, he has a laundry list of leftist causes, but because he was a CEO of Exxon, you're willing to overlook all of that?
Truth is, he is the epitome of DC Swamp, he is a hybrid politician, he not only feeds lobbyists but cozies up to world leaders, even communist ones to further business interests.
Though nothing wrong with doing what your shareholders want, problem is, it's not always in America's best interests, which is why he has lobbyists, why he greases the palms of leftist charities, such as the Clinton Foundation.
Fact is, the man you heralded is nothing more than your run of the mill leftist RINO.
Do you get why getting rid of this guy, the same guy that called Trump a moron, is a good idea?
Just because he never ran for office, doesn't mean he isn't a sewer rat leader.
Quote from: Solar on December 01, 2017, 05:07:40 AM
You do know how Friedman is, right, you do know the difference between simple business infrastructure and the corporate entity, right?
So what's the problem?
I gave you Tillerson's credentials list, and those were just a few, he has a laundry list of leftist causes, but because he was a CEO of Exxon, you're willing to overlook all of that?
Truth is, he is the epitome of DC Swamp, he is a hybrid politician, he not only feeds lobbyists but cozies up to world leaders, even communist ones to further business interests.
Though nothing wrong with doing what your shareholders want, problem is, it's not always in America's best interests, which is why he has lobbyists, why he greases the palms of leftist charities, such as the Clinton Foundation.
Fact is, the man you heralded is nothing more than your run of the mill leftist RINO.
Do you get why getting rid of this guy, the same guy that called Trump a moron, is a good idea?
Just because he never ran for office, doesn't mean he isn't a sewer rat leader.
What the hell was he suppose to do as CEO of the largest oil company in the world. Shun and not talk to world leaders, not do deals because SOLOR thinks that is wrong?? Looks I not going to get into a pissing contest with someone so shallow about business who just wants to try and make themselves look smart. Don't know what you have accomplished or worked for BUT it is obvious it was not a big picture involvement of business. Beside if he was such a F***up why did TRUMP pick him in the first place? As far as the SWAMP goes you have NO LINKS on anything and your info is heresay at best. YOUR Opine. I know disagreeing with you is not appreciated so ban me if that makes you feel good and the other 3 posters . T Rex was not in politics when he was CEO @ EXXON. If you cannot figure out what his main purpose was as CEO and dealing and supporting things he personally might have not have liked or agreed with to make his objectives that is your problem. It is called getting results. We will see how the politican does? He is better at kissing JARVANKA ass to keep on their good side and if does not JARVANKA will fire him. One thing is T REX does not need TRUMP or JARVANKA and he will not take crap from a do nothing, punk kid like JARVANKA. TRUMP will just announce another BUSHIE, CLINTON, Obama holdover appointment like he does ever time. Keep JEFFIE in place and all will be well with the SWAMP
Quote from: nzone on December 01, 2017, 05:36:58 AM
What the hell was he suppose to do as CEO of the largest oil company in the world. Shun and not talk to world leaders, not do deals because SOLOR thinks that is wrong??
One's character is judged by the company one keeps, and this character was given the highest civilian honor by the former head of the KGB of the former USSR Communist party.
What if the KKK, or BLM, NAMBLA had honored him, is that where you draw the line?
But this didn't set off red flags for you?
Quote from: Solar on November 21, 2017, 03:03:38 PM
The State Department on Monday commemorated Transgender Day of Remembrance, honoring transgenders who died through "acts of violence."
"On Transgender Day of Remembrance, the United States honors the memory of the many transgender individuals who have lost their lives to acts of violence," Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said in a statement.
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"Transgender individuals and their advocates, along with lesbian, gay, bisexual and intersex persons, are facing increasing physical attacks and arbitrary arrests in many parts of the world. Often these attacks are perpetrated by government officials, undermining the rule of law," Tillerson added.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-arter/state-dept-marks-transgender-day-remembrance
QuoteLooks I not going to get into a pissing contest with someone so shallow about business who just wants to try and make themselves look smart.
Oh Jeeez, you are the one that started this nonsense in the first place by backing a Clinton supporter over a known Conservative.
QuoteDon't know what you have accomplished or worked for BUT it is obvious it was not a big picture involvement of business.
Been in business all my life, CEO/Owner of several successful businesses, retired in my 40s after my final successful venture.
WTF have you done, and do you really want to lower yourself even further by personalizing your bitchfest?
QuoteBeside if he was such a F***up why did TRUMP pick him in the first place? As far as the SWAMP goes you have NO LINKS on anything and your info is heresay at best. YOUR Opine.
Just because you want to hide from the truth, doesn't make it go away. If you're so certain I'm wrong, prove it.
QuoteI know disagreeing with you is not appreciated so ban me
Why would I do that? Just because you fail at actual debate, make idiotic remarks and fail at attempted subtle insults. is no reason to ban anyone.
Quoteif that makes you feel good and the other 3 posters . T Rex was not in politics when he was CEO @ EXXON.
Oh Jeeeez, his very position is dealing in politics, that's why he was hired, he's a professional schmoozer, the very reason he gave the Clinton foundation a million dollars, he was buttering up the Secretary of State.
Is this shit sinking in yet?
QuoteIf you cannot figure out what his main purpose was as CEO and dealing and supporting things he personally might have not have liked or agreed with to make his objectives that is your problem. It is called getting results.
I see, so little things like "Values" getting in the way, in your world, isn't a big deal? Got it.
FWIW, I never once went against my core values in all my years in business, not once, even turned down million dollar closed bids because it went against my system of values.
QuoteWe will see how the politican does? He is better at kissing JARVANKA ass to keep on their good side and if does not JARVANKA will fire him. One thing is T REX does not need TRUMP or JARVANKA and he will not take crap from a do nothing, punk kid like JARVANKA. TRUMP will just announce another BUSHIE, CLINTON, Obama holdover appointment like he does ever time. Keep JEFFIE in place and all will be well with the SWAMP
So that's your criteria? Anyone that detests your enemies "Jarvanka", is your ally?
Don't take this as an insult, because none is intended, but can you use a grammar check?
I use one, as do most here, but it really would make it easier to understand what point you're trying to convey.
google Iron has it as an addon under apps.
No one here is banning you, you're not getting off that easy. :biggrin:
Trump saw Tillerson as a successful international businessman, like Trump. I believe he felt a kinship with the guy, and figured this experience would be a great lead-in to international diplomacy.
What Trump didn't expect was Tillerson's relatively liberal and soft approach to most things. And his inability to clean out the Obama - Clinton slags in the bureaucracy.
It happens every day in corporate America and govt. Make your best call on staffing, see how it works, you get a win or a loss after 6 to 12 months.
At least Trump knows how to continually develop a winning organization. Obama just had a litmus test that included racial agitation, communism sympathizing, and general support for everything Anti-America. When he approved somebody on those criteria, they were good forever, or until they got into some sort of ethical mess that even Obama couldn't ignore.
Quote from: nzone on December 01, 2017, 05:36:58 AM
What the hell was he suppose to do as CEO of the largest oil company in the world. Shun and not talk to world leaders, not do deals because SOLOR thinks that is wrong?? Looks I not going to get into a pissing contest with someone so shallow about business who just wants to try and make themselves look smart. Don't know what you have accomplished or worked for BUT it is obvious it was not a big picture involvement of business. Beside if he was such a F***up why did TRUMP pick him in the first place? As far as the SWAMP goes you have NO LINKS on anything and your info is heresay at best. YOUR Opine. I know disagreeing with you is not appreciated so ban me if that makes you feel good and the other 3 posters . T Rex was not in politics when he was CEO @ EXXON. If you cannot figure out what his main purpose was as CEO and dealing and supporting things he personally might have not have liked or agreed with to make his objectives that is your problem. It is called getting results. We will see how the politican does? He is better at kissing JARVANKA ass to keep on their good side and if does not JARVANKA will fire him. One thing is T REX does not need TRUMP or JARVANKA and he will not take crap from a do nothing, punk kid like JARVANKA. TRUMP will just announce another BUSHIE, CLINTON, Obama holdover appointment like he does ever time. Keep JEFFIE in place and all will be well with the SWAMP
"WTF have you done, and do you really want to lower yourself even further by personalizing your bitchfest?"
Cannot compare to you ???? Only worked 19 years for top Corporate medical companies both domestic and international. Invented a product and hold 15 patents both design and utility and currently marketing and selling worldwide in the medical device business with my own company. So that is WTF. See the difference. It is called the BIG PICTURE to get the results but I do not expect you to understand that? :rolleyes:
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=107974
We've seen this type of "Edison / Einstein / Henry Ford" person before. I've seen 'em on other websites as well.
Amazing that somebody just as successful as Trump and Tillerson spends his time on the internet bitching about Trump. What a bizarre, unexpected hobby you have, my amazing inventor / CEO friend !
I also love the people who hate Trump, Bush, Reagan with a raging hate, but still are "lifelong republicans". And those who tacitly support everything Obama-Hillary..... but "aren't liberal !". The absolute best are the people who "voted republican for the last 50 years" but were forced to switch to Hillary "becuz evil Trump and evil Cruz".
If the internet does nothing else, it gives a voice and a place to be, to the world's littlest weasels. I guess that's a good thing. God bless 'em, I'm happy they have something.
Quote from: AndyJackson on December 01, 2017, 08:28:11 AM
Trump saw Tillerson as a successful international businessman, like Trump. I believe he felt a kinship with the guy, and figured this experience would be a great lead-in to international diplomacy.
What Trump didn't expect was Tillerson's relatively liberal and soft approach to most things. And his inability to clean out the Obama - Clinton slags in the bureaucracy.
It happens every day in corporate America and govt. Make your best call on staffing, see how it works, you get a win or a loss after 6 to 12 months.
At least Trump knows how to continually develop a winning organization. Obama just had a litmus test that included racial agitation, communism sympathizing, and general support for everything Anti-America. When he approved somebody on those criteria, they were good forever, or until they got into some sort of ethical mess that even Obama couldn't ignore.
Exactly correct Andy!
Trump chose someone he thought shared his interest in advancing American industry, but it turned out to be a huge mistake, so now Trump wants to replace him with another.
I don't see a problem, and if Pompeo doesn't work out, there are millions more people qualified for the position.
Quote from: nzone on December 01, 2017, 08:45:24 AM
"WTF have you done, and do you really want to lower yourself even further by personalizing your bitchfest?"
Cannot compare to you ???? Only worked 19 years for top Corporate medical companies both domestic and international. Invented a product and hold 15 patents both design and utility and currently marketing and selling worldwide in the medical device business with my own company. So that is WTF. See the difference. It is called the BIG PICTURE to get the results but I do not expect you to understand that? :rolleyes:
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=107974
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/12/01/defense-secretary-mattis-denies-white-house-plans-force-out-tillerson/
Quote from: AndyJackson on December 01, 2017, 09:12:50 AM
We've seen this type of "Edison / Einstein / Henry Ford" person before. I've seen 'em on other websites as well.
Amazing that somebody just as successful as Trump and Tillerson spends his time on the internet bitching about Trump. What a bizarre, unexpected hobby you have, my amazing inventor / CEO friend !
I also love the people who hate Trump, Bush, Reagan with a raging hate, but still are "lifelong republicans". And those who tacitly support everything Obama-Hillary..... but "aren't liberal !". The absolute best are the people who "voted republican for the last 50 years" but were forced to switch to Hillary "becuz evil Trump and evil Cruz".
If the internet does nothing else, it gives a voice and a place to be, to the world's littlest weasels. I guess that's a good thing. God bless 'em, I'm happy they have something.
That is real productive? Trooling the INTERNET to compare people. I hope you are happily retired and economically successful and bored to have the time looking at all the websites.
Quote from: nzone on December 01, 2017, 08:45:24 AM
"WTF have you done, and do you really want to lower yourself even further by personalizing your bitchfest?"
Cannot compare to you ???? Only worked 19 years for top Corporate medical companies both domestic and international. Invented a product and hold 15 patents both design and utility and currently marketing and selling worldwide in the medical device business with my own company. So that is WTF. See the difference. It is called the BIG PICTURE to get the results but I do not expect you to understand that? :rolleyes:
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=107974
So this is your definition of debate? I just gave you a bunch of reasons Tillerson needs to be gone, and all you can do is focus on a dick slinging match?
I think the difference between us is, I retired two decades ago, while you apparently still have to work.
I guess it depends on one's version of success. I also own 3 other websites promoting Conservatism. What are you doing for the Conservative cause, or is being a petulant twit starting arguments with people trying to elucidate others as to what is happening in the news, your contribution?
Go back through this thread, you'll find, it was you that got emotional over being challenged, I merely tried to expand on the subject of Tillerson's need to be removed.
Before this thread, you had no idea he supported the leftist cause for LGBTQ or whatever, nor did you know Vlad bestowed Russia's highest honor upon him, nor did you have a clue he had ties to the Clinton Foundation.
But go ahead, keep touting the praises of the liberal, it shows your credibility as a poster.
Quote from: supsalemgr on November 30, 2017, 08:56:32 AM
There have been so many reports in the past year about Tillerson resigning that I am going to wait until it happens. Part of this rumor is Tom Cotton would become head of the CIA. As a solid conservative I am not sure I would not desire for him to stay in the senate.
This should make everyone happy? DACA deal but no chain migration being talked about by the supposedly strong conservative Senator to be rumored to be next CIA Director if T REX leaves. KEY Word DACA DEAL.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/11/30/sen-tom-cotton-ending-chain-migration-necessary-part-any-daca-deal :rolleyes:
He is now GONE for SURE???? :biggrin:
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=108037
Quote from: nzone on December 01, 2017, 05:36:58 AM
What the hell was he suppose to do as CEO of the largest oil company in the world. Shun and not talk to world leaders, not do deals because SOLOR thinks that is wrong?? Looks I not going to get into a pissing contest with someone so shallow about business who just wants to try and make themselves look smart. Don't know what you have accomplished or worked for BUT it is obvious it was not a big picture involvement of business. Beside if he was such a F***up why did TRUMP pick him in the first place? As far as the SWAMP goes you have NO LINKS on anything and your info is heresay at best. YOUR Opine. I know disagreeing with you is not appreciated so ban me if that makes you feel good and the other 3 posters . T Rex was not in politics when he was CEO @ EXXON. If you cannot figure out what his main purpose was as CEO and dealing and supporting things he personally might have not have liked or agreed with to make his objectives that is your problem. It is called getting results. We will see how the politican does? He is better at kissing JARVANKA ass to keep on their good side and if does not JARVANKA will fire him. One thing is T REX does not need TRUMP or JARVANKA and he will not take crap from a do nothing, punk kid like JARVANKA. TRUMP will just announce another BUSHIE, CLINTON, Obama holdover appointment like he does ever time. Keep JEFFIE in place and all will be well with the SWAMP
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Er.............Jarvanka is 2 people.
Being serious a moment, the underlying issue w/Tillerson appears to be his focus and loyalty.
Sovereignty, a linchpin of international law, required allegiance from the citizenry including business.
Globalism/internationalism, some 100 years old, changed that dynamic.
Exxon/Mobil while domiciled in the USA, is a worldwide entity.
Where is its first and final loyalty?????
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 01, 2017, 12:25:17 PM
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Er.............Jarvanka is 2 people.
Being serious a moment, the underlying issue w/Tillerson appears to be his focus and loyalty.
Sovereignty, a linchpin of international law, required allegiance from the citizenry including business.
Globalism/internationalism, some 100 years old, changed that dynamic.
Exxon/Mobil while domiciled in the USA, is a worldwide entity.
Where is its first and final loyalty?????
Yes He needs to be more loyal like Kerry and Hillary were??? My apologies that a successful person upsets so many. Success does upset a lot of people and many do not like the feel good part of the SOB that achieve success. T REX and his ability to Focus not even going to comment on that ?? Our new status and respect in the WORLD has come about I guess because of Obama shadowing TRUMP and T Rex around the World after they leave to patch things up. That bowing to other world leaders will do that you know? :confused:
Quote from: nzone on December 01, 2017, 03:15:33 PM
Yes He needs to be more loyal like Kerry and Hillary were??? My apologies that a successful person upsets so many. Success does upset a lot of people and many do not like the feel good part of the SOB that achieve success. T REX and his ability to Focus not even going to comment on that ?? Our new status and respect in the WORLD has come about I guess because of Obama shadowing TRUMP and T Rex around the World after they leave to patch things up. That bowing to other world leaders will do that you know? :confused:
Did your dog bite you this morning, or was did the cat leave a turd in your loafers? Settle down a little.
The point is not Tillerson's success, as much as his affiliation and political bent which butts heads with Trump's agenda (provided he stays on a somewhat conservative path...). Loyalty is more than to a "Person" in this case, it's also loyalty to American values verses Globalism. I see the question as whether or not Tillerson could accurately consider himself a 100% American ... or leaning heavily towards a Globalist.
In this age, the Left is hell-bent on the Soros, open borders, one worldism, world court, wealth redistribution via global warming, etc., which is contrary to Donald Trump's philosophy. Evidenced by his desire to put America first, renegotiate NAFTA, pull out of the Paris accord, hold China accountable for currency manipulation, pull manufacturing back from Mexico - build a wall and maybe burn a few bridges too!
I'm not ready to give away my
Unique American Identity, wealth or rugged individualism for some grand scheme to "equalize the world", something the POTUS has clearly communicated and thus elected. Tillerson is giving -no- indications he is in the Trump camp.
(BTW... I've also started 3 successful innovative businesses, invented some nifty stuff and have competed & won several events across 2 different professions - but why brag about success like a narcissistic little brat, eh?)
I'd like to see Tillerson replaced. Trump admires his success, OK. Where is this guy leading our foreign policy?
Quote from: nzone on December 01, 2017, 03:15:33 PM
Yes He needs to be more loyal like Kerry and Hillary were??? My apologies that a successful person upsets so many. Success does upset a lot of people and many do not like the feel good part of the SOB that achieve success. T REX and his ability to Focus not even going to comment on that ?? Our new status and respect in the WORLD has come about I guess because of Obama shadowing TRUMP and T Rex around the World after they leave to patch things up. That bowing to other world leaders will do that you know? :confused:
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Hmm................. obviously Kissing Tillersons ass is on your daily must do list.
Reality is that Tillerson would never, ever have become CEO of Exxon/Mobil were he not
a self-identified globalist. Nothing wrong w/that as it's at the core of his job description.
However Trump clearly wants to refocus us from global-centric to USA-centric; a change 100
years overdue, ever since that horses ass Wilson decided we should save the world for democracy.
As such, Tillerson's pious political platitudes and sanctimonious malarkey are less resonant than
Scottish Bagpipes tuning up in the middle of a Haydn Symphony.
As for your confusion, suggest the remedy is to jettison your pretensions that you're some sort
of wise man condescending to tolerate all the rest of the imbeciles running the country.
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 01, 2017, 09:15:42 PM
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Hmm................. obviously Kissing Tillersons ass is on your daily must do list.
Reality is that Tillerson would never, ever have become CEO of Exxon/Mobil were he not
a self-identified globalist. Nothing wrong w/that as it's at the core of his job description.
However Trump clearly wants to refocus us from global-centric to USA-centric; a change 100
years overdue, ever since that horses ass Wilson decided we should save the world for democracy.
As such, Tillerson's pious political platitudes and sanctimonious malarkey are less resonant than
Scottish Bagpipes tuning up in the middle of a Haydn Symphony.
As for your confusion, suggest the remedy is to jettison your pretensions that you're some sort
of wise man condescending to tolerate all the rest of the imbeciles running the country.
OUCH! I'd highlight the entire post, you're dead on, Walt, wisdom & wit.
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 01, 2017, 09:15:42 PM
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Hmm................. obviously Kissing Tillersons ass is on your daily must do list.
Reality is that Tillerson would never, ever have become CEO of Exxon/Mobil were he not
a self-identified globalist. Nothing wrong w/that as it's at the core of his job description.
However Trump clearly wants to refocus us from global-centric to USA-centric; a change 100
years overdue, ever since that horses ass Wilson decided we should save the world for democracy.
As such, Tillerson's pious political platitudes and sanctimonious malarkey are less resonant than
Scottish Bagpipes tuning up in the middle of a Haydn Symphony.
As for your confusion, suggest the remedy is to jettison your pretensions that you're some sort
of wise man condescending to tolerate all the rest of the imbeciles running the country.
Intellect is such a waste on people who do not know how to use it. They think they know what is happening and they are right BUT only in there WORLD in their Mind. They absolutely cannot stand when they are wrong and in their world they are never wrong. They then seek people like themselves to convince themselves they are correct. Some follow but those few that follow only know how to follow and never lead. So SAD but that what makes the WORLD go around.
Quote from: nzone on December 03, 2017, 11:08:36 AM
Intellect English is such a waste on people who do not know how to use it. They think they know what is happening and they are right BUT only in there their WORLD in their Mind. They absolutely cannot stand when they are wrong and in their world they are never wrong. They then seek people like themselves to convince themselves they are correct. Some follow but those few that follow only know how to follow and never lead. So SAD but that what makes the WORLD go around.
:lol: :lol: sorry, man... couldn't resist... (we all do it, from time to time and forget to proof read before we post)
You're correct. The MSM, Hollywood, NPR, Leftist circles produce a product for themselves, only themselves. I forgot the source, just a week or two ago, some politician wanted to minimize the impact "fly over country" had on national elections. Yep, they hate us that live in the middle of the country.
Quote from: nzone on December 03, 2017, 11:08:36 AM
Intellect is such a waste on people who do not know how to use it. They think they know what is happening and they are right BUT only in there WORLD in their Mind. They absolutely cannot stand when they are wrong and in their world they are never wrong. They then seek people like themselves to convince themselves they are correct. Some follow but those few that follow only know how to follow and never lead. So SAD but that what makes the WORLD go around.
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nzone, w/respect;
I'm not a site nag following you around the Board.
Put simply, we have a difference of opinion as to Tillerson's
effectiveness; the very essence of any discussion forum.
If you were offended, I apologize.
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Quote from: nzone on December 01, 2017, 03:15:33 PM
Yes He needs to be more loyal like Kerry and Hillary were??? My apologies that a successful person upsets so many.
Huh?
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Success does upset a lot of people and many do not like the feel good part of the SOB that achieve success.
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T REX and his ability to Focus not even going to comment on that ??
He's a smart man with an engineering background, as I understand it, but he worked up the corp ladder. That's great, but let's not pretend he split the atom.
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Our new status and respect in the WORLD has come about I guess because of Obama shadowing TRUMP and T Rex around the World after they leave to patch things up. That bowing to other world leaders will do that you know? :confused:
Yes, Hussein is a joke. I guess I'm missing the point.