Quote from: topside on May 06, 2017, 07:13:24 AM
I've said it before. It's very plausible that the Chinese are using NK as a bargain chip. China gets NK to act out, China comes to save the day ... in exchange for ...

I suspect the same with Russia and Syria. But I think Russia got surprised when Trump pulled the trigger.

As for evidence, I can't put it together on either case. But it is plausible - events make sense in that context. Some semblance of Occam's Razor in that regard.

Possible, but not probable.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05/04/north-korea-threat-pyongyang-directly-criticizes-china-in-rare-move.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-china-idUSKBN17Z1TA

Quote from: Solar on May 06, 2017, 07:41:26 AM
Possible, but not probable.

QuoteChina is North Korea's neighbor and only major ally and the United States has pressed it to use its influence to rein in North Korea's nuclear and missile programs. Diplomats say Washington and Beijing are negotiating a possible stronger U.N. Security Council response - such as new sanctions - to North Korea's repeated ballistic missile launches.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-china-idUSKBN17Z1TA

Giggle. Snork. A stronger U.N. anything, to help the U.S.? What are they smoking there?

Quote from: quiller on May 06, 2017, 07:44:57 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-china-idUSKBN17Z1TA


Giggle. Snork. A stronger U.N. anything, to help the U.S.? What are they smoking there?

LOL! Crack? Leave it to Reuters to spin shit into strawmen.

"China is North Korea's neighbor and only major ally".
NK has no other ally, not one nation, without the blessing of China, will come to the aid of the Fat little halfwit,

Quote from: Solar on May 06, 2017, 07:41:26 AM
Possible, but not probable.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05/04/north-korea-threat-pyongyang-directly-criticizes-china-in-rare-move.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-china-idUSKBN17Z1TA

Yeah ... I considered the NK statements as in your posts. I didn't say that China was cooperating with NK to use them as a bargaining chip. But it's pretty easy to get KuJo to mouth off. Then China can go in and shut him up ... in exchange for political or trade capital with the US. I can come up with logic for how this scenario unfolds.

But the idea is less plausible that KuJo wakes up one morning in his god-like tenure and decides to piss off two of the largest nations in the world and lose his soft political position of easily dominating NK.

It's a little like the communist check list that you shared (lesser degree) ... we can't prove what's at work on getting the communist agenda done, but the systematic accomplishment of the list is telling ... there is an operating force behind it. Iron-clad proof is hard to come by to expose incidental or clandestine operators. By operator, I mean something acting on society. By incidental I mean that the operator is inherent in the behavior of the people (distributed behavior) ... no overt individual force. Clandestine implies a hidden operating force.

Quote from: topside on May 06, 2017, 08:21:29 AM
Yeah ... I considered the NK statements as in your posts. I didn't say that China was cooperating with NK to use them as a bargaining chip. But it's pretty easy to get KuJo to mouth off. Then China can go in and shut him up ... in exchange for political or trade capital with the US. I can come up with logic for how this scenario unfolds.

But the idea is less plausible that KuJo wakes up one morning in his god-like tenure and decides to piss off two of the largest nations in the world and lose his soft political position of easily dominating NK.

It's a little like the communist check list that you shared (lesser degree) ... we can't prove what's at work on getting the communist agenda done, but the systematic accomplishment of the list is telling ... there is an operating force behind it. Iron-clad proof is hard to come by to expose incidental or clandestine operators. By operator, I mean something acting on society. By incidental I mean that the operator is inherent in the behavior of the people (distributed behavior) ... no overt individual force. Clandestine implies a hidden operating force.

Though perplexing on several levels as to why this little moron would lash out in all directions, but when one compares him to a chained dog, he tests his adversaries by lunging at them and gauging their reactions.
In the case of threats towards his ONLY ally, China, he measures their capitulating response as to just how much they're willing to go in allowing him rope to threaten other countries.

Point is, China once again spewed hollow threats and rhetoric at Fat twit, rather than institute swift action, this tells Kim he still has room to work his magic.
China's nonreaction speaks volumes, so expect to see more BS from the little fat fuck.
Here's the thing, there's an election taking place in South Korea, one candidate is taking a tough stance on NK, while the other is playing the "America is Evil" hand, which plays to some in the country with a Nationalistic spirit. With the nation nearly evenly split on the issue, depending on how low key Trump plays his hand, could sway the other half out of fear of Kim's aggressive rhetoric.

So Trump is playing the waiting game knowing if he pushes NK right now, it plays into the leftist faction in SK that wants the US out, but if Trump lays low, it's likely the left will be rejected, Trump will be able to proceed in pushing the little fat fuck to an end.
If the left wins in SK elections, then Trump will play the "Arm Japan with nukes", one of China's biggest worries beyond nukes in SK.

Either way, at this point it's a waiting game till after the SK elections next Tuesday.

There's a fat little guy that breaks into your house. He thinks he sees something and unloads his shotgun on it. It was the house cat. You hold your revolver and can either shoot him or wait and see if he calms down. He reloads and then unloads on your dog. Then you still stand and wait to see if he's going to stop? No ... that's not what anyone with sense would do. You'd listen for an opening, give a double tap to the chest and then to the head - finish it off to protect your family and yourself.

Another NK launch today / yesterday. Chinese aren't being very effective deterrents. Seems the Reds are drawing Obama "red lines" - NK pays no notice. Such a shame as we could use a partner in stopping some of the world's aggression. But China seems content to watch and wait ... but wait for what? I'm sure the spineless UN won't take a stand. Trump can't act alone and needs Congress to step up ... but they're too busy chasing Russian collusion snipes around.

Thanks Dims, Rinos, MSM ... you've neutralized our defense posture. That's on you; but no one will recognize it! So your pathetic political careers are safe while our national safety and safety abroad swirls down the toilet. You're a bunch of Wiener's ... making a perverted, criminal, political choice in this case ... no, it's not a sickness. Time for some to get humble and stand up for the values of our Republic. But you won't ... bunch of Wieners. When I was in junior high, we would laugh about any Wiener joke. Wiener has a new meaning for me now ... and I'm not laughing this time. A Wiener makes insanely bad choices with tremendous consequences on the community - and the Wiener makes excuses and takes no responsibility. Example ... Bill Clinton ... what a Wiener. Dims mantra should be "let's be a winner" but is, rather, "let's be a Wiener". Ok ... back to the subject.

Given the aggressive launch schedule, NK must have a large supply of missiles - whether made or bought.

Would imagine that we should know in advance, via intelligence and imagery of when they are prepared to launch. Not sure how long it takes to setup. But enough is enough ... seems we should be using their missiles as target practice - knocking them out of the sky if we can. Otherwise, taking the missiles out on their launch pads and any stock that we have surveilled.  I wonder how much time it takes to setup and launch ... if we know in advance so that we could take them out just prior to launch? The portables probably get setup pretty fast.

Quote from: topside on May 21, 2017, 05:03:12 AM
There's a fat little guy that breaks into your house. He thinks he sees something and unloads his shotgun on it. It was the house cat. You hold your revolver and can either shoot him or wait and see if he calms down. He reloads and then unloads on your dog. Then you still stand and wait to see if he's going to stop? No ... that's not what anyone with sense would do. You'd listen for an opening, give a double tap to the chest and then to the head - finish it off to protect your family and yourself.

Another NK launch today / yesterday. Chinese aren't being very effective deterrents. Seems the Reds are drawing Obama "red lines" - NK pays no notice. Such a shame as we could use a partner in stopping some of the world's aggression. But China seems content to watch and wait ... but wait for what? I'm sure the spineless UN won't take a stand. Trump can't act alone and needs Congress to step up ... but they're too busy chasing Russian collusion snipes around.

Thanks Dims, Rinos, MSM ... you've neutralized our defense posture. That's on you; but no one will recognize it! So your pathetic political careers are safe while our national safety and safety abroad swirls down the toilet. You're a bunch of Wiener's ... making a perverted, criminal, political choice in this case ... no, it's not a sickness. Time for some to get humble and stand up for the values of our Republic. But you won't ... bunch of Wieners. When I was in junior high, we would laugh about any Wiener joke. Wiener has a new meaning for me now ... and I'm not laughing this time. A Wiener makes insanely bad choices with tremendous consequences on the community - and the Wiener makes excuses and takes no responsibility. Example ... Bill Clinton ... what a Wiener. Dims mantra should be "let's be a winner" but is, rather, "let's be a Wiener". Ok ... back to the subject.

Given the aggressive launch schedule, NK must have a large supply of missiles - whether made or bought.

Would imagine that we should know in advance, via intelligence and imagery of when they are prepared to launch. Not sure how long it takes to setup. But enough is enough ... seems we should be using their missiles as target practice - knocking them out of the sky if we can. Otherwise, taking the missiles out on their launch pads and any stock that we have surveilled.  I wonder how much time it takes to setup and launch ... if we know in advance so that we could take them out just prior to launch? The portables probably get setup pretty fast.

If I were King, I would go the sea of china, surround that man made island China is so vigorously working on, and tell them to "Get the fuck off, it's our now"!
Watch how fast Kim stops his nonsense. Trump knows Kim is Chinas junk yard dog, China knows we know, but we all play this game of odd diplomacy and hope the other caves.
Putting pressure on China is the only real card to play outside of open confrontation with NK, making us look the aggressor and playing right into world stereotypes of US aggression around the globe.

Quote from: Solar on May 21, 2017, 06:14:40 AM
If I were King, I would go the sea of china, surround that man made island China is so vigorously working on, and tell them to "Get the fuck off, it's our now"!
Watch how fast Kim stops his nonsense. Trump knows Kim is Chinas junk yard dog, China knows we know, but we all play this game of odd diplomacy and hope the other caves.
Putting pressure on China is the only real card to play outside of open confrontation with NK, making us look the aggressor and playing right into world stereotypes of US aggression around the globe.

An unstable equilibrium. I wonder what the next move will be? I don't have enough knowledge into similar historical events to predict what the outcome is likely to be.

Quote from: topside on May 21, 2017, 08:23:25 AM
An unstable equilibrium. I wonder what the next move will be? I don't have enough knowledge into similar historical events to predict what the outcome is likely to be.

Truth is, most likely nothing. I think Trump is taking the side road of ignoring the little tantrum thrower, knowing full well all he has are empty threats.
I say empty threats because China will never let him start an actual war with the US, they know we would not only obliterate his worthless ass, but put boots on the ground, right on the Chinese border, the one thing they fear the most, losing the centuries old safety that isolation brings.

Notice there's been absolutely no response to Kims firing of another missile? In fact, it was very close to a Russian city when it went down, but even Russia was mum on the issue because they ally with China, and yes, they know the game China plays using the little dictator.

Quote from: topside on May 21, 2017, 08:23:25 AM
An unstable equilibrium. I wonder what the next move will be? I don't have enough knowledge into similar historical events to predict what the outcome is likely to be.

Case in point. Why did China punish South Korea for wanting to defend itself, instead of punishing NK for being the aggressor.?

Chinese cable television companies have cut off access to South Korean programming in a move by Beijing to punish Seoul for installing a missile defense system aimed at North Korea, but which China says threatens its own security, sources say.

The blocking of South Korean drama and news shows follows earlier measures taken to show China's displeasure over the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system being deployed in South Korea in the wake of Pyongyang's test launch of ballistic missiles.

Boycotts of South Korean goods and services have spread across China in recent weeks, with Chinese travel agents also halting group tours to South Korea and Chinese hotels turning away South Korean guests, sources say.

Now, Chinese authorities have blocked access in China to popular South Korean broadcasting, a source in Yanji city in China's Jilin province told RFA's Korean Service.

"They have blocked South Korean television channels because of the THAAD deployment dispute," RFA's source said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"It has been almost a month now since the channels were blocked, and we see no sign of getting them back," he said.
http://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/blocks-04112017151500.html

Hmm...is this the 2nd final warning?  Seems to me I've heard this before.

Quote from: Ms.Independence on May 21, 2017, 03:47:29 PM
Hmm...is this the 2nd final warning?  Seems to me I've heard this before.

It's something like the RED line in the sand.   

Quote from: walkstall on May 21, 2017, 03:50:07 PM

It's something like the RED line in the sand.   

....and that worked out so well!

Quote from: Ms.Independence on May 21, 2017, 03:52:03 PM
....and that worked out so well!

I like Trump RED LINE. 

Quote"annihilate" the Islamic State group in Syria

Quote from: Ms.Independence on May 21, 2017, 03:47:29 PM
Hmm...is this the 2nd final warning?  Seems to me I've heard this before.

No, this time it was China threatening South Korea on behalf of the little fat ass commie.
It just backs up what I've been saying all along, that Kim is China's puppet.