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Challenge For Liberals
« on: December 04, 2019, 01:21:19 PM »
OK, let us assume you won the debate over AGW and we all heel to the demands of the left over Co2.
Have any of you thought this through? Are you willing to pay more for energy, be it a much higher electric bill, or gas to your home, gas for your car?
Are you willing to give up personal transportation, cell phones, plastic packaging of all kinds, even some over the counter medications or prescription drugs, are you willing to pay more for all of this?

Everything you purchase in life is due to cheap oil, are you actually willing to let govt write laws forcing you to change your lifestyle? You know, when you can use affordable energy, for hot summer days.
Oh wait, that's already happening now, it's called "Peak Energy Consumption", where you pay an inflated price for electricity during high demand.
Guess why? EPA rules, not laws, but regulations, where a utility is forced to purchase a large portion of its energy from so called "Green" sources.
But why not cheap nuclear energy, where they simply produce more energy when demand increases? Nuclear is Co2 free.....Hmmm...

OK, so now you've given govt the power of a dictatorship, they decide how much you may drive in a  given month, oh sure, if you're rich you can buy "Credits", you know, just like the carbon "Credit" scheme, where one business that doesn't produce Co2 can sell their credits to a company that does so they can keep on producing Co2.
Are you starting to get the big picture yet?

Point is, what you are advocating is that we grow govt to where it can dictate what you do in your life, literally your every move will be based around govt restrictions.
There is no middle ground on this, you will do as you are told or be labeled a criminal, or you can simply do without the comforts of life and live in the desert somewhere.
And if you think Govt is going to subsidize any of this, then you just submitted to communism.

Guess who won't be required to follow these ludicrous laws?
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Re: Challenge For Liberals
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2019, 01:38:21 PM »
Reminds me of the "Hunger Games" or the book Guardians of the Gift.

“It’s comes down to a simple choice really, get busy living or get busy dying.”

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Re: Challenge For Liberals
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2019, 01:47:00 PM »
OK, let us assume you won the debate over AGW and we all heel to the demands of the left over Co2.
Have any of you thought this through? Are you willing to pay more for energy, be it a much higher electric bill, or gas to your home, gas for your car?
Are you willing to give up personal transportation, cell phones, plastic packaging of all kinds, even some over the counter medications or prescription drugs, are you willing to pay more for all of this?

Everything you purchase in life is due to cheap oil, are you actually willing to let govt write laws forcing you to change your lifestyle? You know, when you can use affordable energy, for hot summer days.
Oh wait, that's already happening now, it's called "Peak Energy Consumption", where you pay an inflated price for electricity during high demand.
Guess why? EPA rules, not laws, but regulations, where a utility is forced to purchase a large portion of its energy from so called "Green" sources.
But why not cheap nuclear energy, where they simply produce more energy when demand increases? Nuclear is Co2 free.....Hmmm...

OK, so now you've given govt the power of a dictatorship, they decide how much you may drive in a  given month, oh sure, if you're rich you can buy "Credits", you know, just like the carbon "Credit" scheme, where one business that doesn't produce Co2 can sell their credits to a company that does so they can keep on producing Co2.
Are you starting to get the big picture yet?

Point is, what you are advocating is that we grow govt to where it can dictate what you do in your life, literally your every move will be based around govt restrictions.
There is no middle ground on this, you will do as you are told or be labeled a criminal, or you can simply do without the comforts of life and live in the desert somewhere.
And if you think Govt is going to subsidize any of this, then you just submitted to communism.

Guess who won't be required to follow these ludicrous laws?
At times I feel the only goal of liberals is to take all the money they can from the citizens. Does not matter if they get it thru higher energy prices, (and you don't get better energy, it just costs more), thru higher property taxes, thru higher medical bills, thru higher income taxes, thru higher gasoline, costs of goods, the list goes on and on and the only reason I can see is the liberals want everyone broke. Well, except themselves.

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Re: Challenge For Liberals
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2019, 02:07:46 PM »
At times I feel the only goal of liberals is to take all the money they can from the citizens. Does not matter if they get it thru higher energy prices, (and you don't get better energy, it just costs more), thru higher property taxes, thru higher medical bills, thru higher income taxes, thru higher gasoline, costs of goods, the list goes on and on and the only reason I can see is the liberals want everyone broke. Well, except themselves.
I think you are correct in the underlying plan of the Marxists. Though most of the party isn't smart enough to beyond dinner, the master puppets know if they can make life miserable enough for Americans, the people will demand Govt do something about it and they'll gladly accept govt handouts, the first step towards socialism, inevitably communism.

Yes, people are this stupid. Govt creates the problem and libs expect that govt will magically fix the problem. :sneaky:
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Re: Challenge For Liberals
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2019, 03:39:45 PM »
I don't think the Democrats With their Isle of Misfits groups were ever told by Oprah, actresses and comedians, how they would be adversely effected.
Global corporations play to their misfit band because they know they can buy off Democrat Party leaders and the misfits are too selfish and dumb to figure it out for themselves. You can buy off the GOP leaders like the Bush family, Romney, Kasich to import cheap labor to replace Americans or export our factories but GOP voters will then reject them.

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Re: Challenge For Liberals
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2019, 07:40:07 PM »
I think liberals have a lot of grandiose ideas that are simply impossible to implement. I look at these climate alarmists and activists and all I see is hypocrisy. There is no chance in hell, these spoiled shits would give up their modern comforts and luxuries for the sake of a 'better climate'. As much as it pisses me off hearing about it constantly, I am reminded that this little cause celeb they have going on will be put by the wayside when the next coinvent thing to be angry about hits the air waves.

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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2019, 07:29:12 AM »
I think liberals have a lot of grandiose ideas that are simply impossible to implement. I look at these climate alarmists and activists and all I see is hypocrisy. There is no chance in hell, these spoiled shits would give up their modern comforts and luxuries for the sake of a 'better climate'. As much as it pisses me off hearing about it constantly, I am reminded that this little cause celeb they have going on will be put by the wayside when the next coinvent thing to be angry about hits the air waves.
Exactly!!!
Libs have wondrous dreams, problem is, they never once consider the consequences of said actions. As in this case, what they are proposing is Big Brother control every aspect of our lives with actual penalties for those who refuse to do as the govt demands.
They have no idea the costs involved, or how everything they take for granted will become nearly impossible for the average American to buy or even use. They can kiss air travel good bye because the price of a ticket will be cost prohibitive. Or as I showed earlier, you can get a special dispensation from the govt, but think of USSR Bread Lines just for a plane ticket that you may not get because the allotment for travel was used up by the elites who were able to bribe their way for a seat.

What is it with libs and critical thinking? Sure, this may sound conspiratorial, but we have history that proves this road map to be real.
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Re: Challenge For Liberals
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2019, 07:40:30 AM »
Exactly!!!
Libs have wondrous dreams, problem is, they never once consider the consequences of said actions. As in this case, what they are proposing is Big Brother control every aspect of our lives with actual penalties for those who refuse to do as the govt demands.
They have no idea the costs involved, or how everything they take for granted will become nearly impossible for the average American to buy or even use. They can kiss air travel good bye because the price of a ticket will be cost prohibitive. Or as I showed earlier, you can get a special dispensation from the govt, but think of USSR Bread Lines just for a plane ticket that you may not get because the allotment for travel was used up by the elites who were able to bribe their way for a seat.

What is it with libs and critical thinking? Sure, this may sound conspiratorial, but we have history that proves this road map to be real.

The entire climate change debate, and the proposals being levied as a result, are all just fronts for Marxism. You can not be an advocate of freedom while at the same time telling someone what car they can drive, or how much energy they can use. Its so easy for these elite kids to stand up and shout down freedom. They might get what they want in the beginning, but once the long arm of that government comes down on them they will be singing a different tune. It speaks volumes that Hong Kong protesters wave American flags and show their love for Trump, while ANTIA pussies wave a communist flag without knowing what it stands for.

These are provocators and nothing more.

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Re: Challenge For Liberals
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2019, 09:01:35 AM »
The entire climate change debate, and the proposals being levied as a result, are all just fronts for Marxism. You can not be an advocate of freedom while at the same time telling someone what car they can drive, or how much energy they can use. Its so easy for these elite kids to stand up and shout down freedom. They might get what they want in the beginning, but once the long arm of that government comes down on them they will be singing a different tune. It speaks volumes that Hong Kong protesters wave American flags and show their love for Trump, while ANTIA pussies wave a communist flag without knowing what it stands for.

These are provocators and nothing more.

Very well said!

The one rule that NEVER fails is that Marxists always think they're going to be the ones on top.  They never consider that they'll be subjugated to the policies for which they advocate.  Tax that guy, not me.  Take that guy's gun, not mine.  He can't drive an SUV, but I can...

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Re: Challenge For Liberals
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2019, 09:09:04 AM »
Very well said!

The one rule that NEVER fails is that Marxists always think they're going to be the ones on top.  They never consider that they'll be subjugated to the policies for which they advocate.  Tax that guy, not me.  Take that guy's gun, not mine.  He can't drive an SUV, but I can...

Way I see it they are either extremely ignorant or just plain stupid. To believe that Marxism will bring them a utopia is an argument that simply can not be won. History tells us that the policies of communists and those alike them are failures, repressive, and plan evil.

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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2019, 09:17:53 AM »
Way I see it they are either extremely ignorant or just plain stupid. To believe that Marxism will bring them a utopia is an argument that simply can not be won. History tells us that the policies of communists and those alike them are failures, repressive, and plan evil.
I believe their arrogance blocks out any concept of reality that they might have had at one time. Part of the problem, liberals see that arrogance as proof of their intelligence, trouble with that, ignorant people can be just as arrogant.   For all of the liberals preaching about how its all about free stuff for you, they do think its all about them.

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Re: Challenge For Liberals
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2019, 11:35:51 AM »
Hey Joesixpack, where are you? :biggrin:
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