Quote from: taxed on January 22, 2013, 12:27:11 PM
Prove it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Highway_Traffic_Safety_Administration#Regulatory_performance

In the mid-1960s when the framework was established for US vehicle safety regulations...

At that time, the United States had safer traffic than any country in the world, whether measured by the number of traffic deaths per thousand vehicles, or the number of traffic deaths per 100 million miles.

Before and after harmonizing with ECE regulation.

1979 Fatalities                                                                  2002 Fatalities Percent Change
United States 51,093                                                              42,815 -16.2%
Great Britain 6,352                                                                   3,431 -46.0%
Canada 5,863                                                                           2,936 -49.9%
Australia 3,508                                                                         1,715 -51.1%

We still suck at safe highways compared to our peer nations, but still, it's an improvement.

Quote from: Capt.Obvious on January 22, 2013, 12:21:55 PM
Americanism is not being a mindless follower of the constitution.  You see, in America, we are free to criticize our government and even *gasps* disagree with the constitution.

But yea, whenever faced with an opposing view point, spew derision and call me un-American. Straight out of Rove's playbook.  How's that working for ya?

There is no Rove playbook.  There is however an actual book written by Alinsky, and one by Machiavelli.  And a few by Ayers.

All at the heart of the Obama strategy.

The truth shall set you free.  Give it a try, it won't hurt.

Quote from: Capt.Obvious on January 22, 2013, 12:34:45 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Highway_Traffic_Safety_Administration#Regulatory_performance

In the mid-1960s when the framework was established for US vehicle safety regulations...

At that time, the United States had safer traffic than any country in the world, whether measured by the number of traffic deaths per thousand vehicles, or the number of traffic deaths per 100 million miles.

Before and after harmonizing with ECE regulation.

1979 Fatalities                                                                  2002 Fatalities Percent Change
United States 51,093                                                              42,815 -16.2%
Great Britain 6,352                                                                   3,431 -46.0%
Canada 5,863                                                                           2,936 -49.9%
Australia 3,508                                                                         1,715 -51.1%

We still suck at safe highways compared to our peer nations, but still, it's an improvement.

Try again...
http://www.livescience.com/3870-higher-speed-limits-deaths-study-finds.html

Quote from: Capt.Obvious on January 22, 2013, 11:08:31 AM
Lighten up.   Welcome to America and differing opinions.

uhhhh, I've been here 53 years, served the USAF for 22 of 'em.

You can have opinions all you want, but you can't just say stuff that's either lies or simply ridiculous, and expect that you just "have a special right" to do so, without getting some blowback from reasonable people.

Your nasty outlook on the constitution does indeed make you look un-American.  It's THE THING that's made America the greatest example of freedom, excellence, and service to each other.....EVER.

Little hipster snarkers who get their giggles by insulting the constitution are absolutely un-American.

They are all completely allowed to articulate something intelligent about anything, and propose an amendment that makes sense.  Not just snark away about "mindlessly following the constitution".

Quote from: taxed on January 22, 2013, 12:28:20 PM
You are free -- that's the point.
You're anti-American.  You can't be against freedom and be pro-American.  It doesn't work that way.

Guns mean freedom to you?  I think Mexicans have a more profound understanding of freedom than Americans will ever hope to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_escape

In Mexico, for instance, escapees who do not break any other laws are not charged for anything and no extra time is added to their sentence;[4] however, officers are allowed to shoot prisoners attempting to escape.[5] In Mexico, an escape is illegal if violence is used against prison personnel or property or if prison inmates or officials aid the escape.[6]

And the second amendment is not about blunderbusses, muskets, or the army.

They actually had coined the term "army" prior to that, so if they had actually wanted to say "everybody in the army should have a gun", as simple minded liberals claim......they would have said that.

They said "militia" and "the people" meaning any future militia of any group of people, who would be threatened internally by a despot.

They had actually studied the dictators and despots of England, Spain, France, and so on, and knew that evil people can gain power, oh, at just about any time.

There is no timeframe at which this is nolonger a possibility, so the framers actually envisioned the people being able to form up and protect themselves at any time in the future.

This is literally more important than any signular, tragic event.

I know, let me just cut to the chase and give myself the standard liberal reply...."oh, tell that to the Newtown parents" or "tell that to little Johnnie and Janie, Newtown survivors", or the best, classic "oh oh oh you love to see children slaughtered".

This drivels fools liberals, not adults lol.  Just like they lapped up Obama's little photo-op chilluns on the stage.

The future of a free state, for the next 1000 years, is indeed more important than any tragic event.

Quote from: Capt.Obvious on January 22, 2013, 01:00:06 PM
Guns mean freedom to you?  I think Mexicans have a more profound understanding of freedom than Americans will ever hope to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_escape

In Mexico, for instance, escapees who do not break any other laws are not charged for anything and no extra time is added to their sentence;[4] however, officers are allowed to shoot prisoners attempting to escape.[5] In Mexico, an escape is illegal if violence is used against prison personnel or property or if prison inmates or officials aid the escape.[6]

This has nothing to do with anything.

Quote from: Capt.Obvious on January 22, 2013, 01:00:06 PM
Guns mean freedom to you?  I think Mexicans have a more profound understanding of freedom than Americans will ever hope to.







haha, the people who hate America always start out by feigning umbrage at the accurate description of their hate.

But they just can't stop the inevitable release of their own words that prove it.

Mexico, the historical bastion of human rights, lmao.

Quote from: Capt.Obvious on January 22, 2013, 12:13:07 PM
Good job Sherlock, you solved that one.  I said earlier that the 2nd is outdated and does more harm than good.

uh-oh, another usage of the "momma said I'm smart, and you're not" saw.

Feels so good.........

Quote from: AndyJackson on January 22, 2013, 01:04:23 PM

Quote from: Capt.Obvious on January 22, 2013, 01:00:06 PM
Guns mean freedom to you?  I think Mexicans have a more profound understanding of freedom than Americans will ever hope to.







haha, the people who hate America always start out by feigning umbrage at the accurate description of their hate.

But they just can't stop the inevitable release of their own words that prove it.

Mexico, the historical bastion of human rights, lmao.

I wouldn't go that far, in fact, that sounds pretty stupid seeing as in Mexico you're guilty until proven innocent.  it's just their philosophy on punishment incorporates ideas on human nature and our desire to be free.

I find it humorous that in order for you to deal with cognitive dissonance is to turn me into an American hating enemy.  Silly jingo.

I have no cognitive dissonance.  I have true and not true, honest and not honest.

I also have what you wrote -

"I think Mexicans have a more profound understanding of freedom than Americans will ever hope to."

There is no honest or logical explanation to this statement, besides a disdain for America, and the belief that the 3rd world is superior.  That's OK, this is a classic Obama pathology.  You're in great company.

Human nature and the desire to be free are covered quite nicely by the US Constitution......not so much by the Mexican govt......lmao.

Quote from: Capt.Obvious on January 22, 2013, 12:13:07 PM
Good job Sherlock, you solved that one.  I said earlier that the 2nd is outdated and does more harm than good.

Sorry Capt., you may want to consider cracking open a history book. It in no way supports your argument.

I can provide lots of links, in which gun control preceded genocide.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north367.html

I think there is an element of cognitive failure here.

No matter the proof, data, history, outcomes....they can't / won't grasp it.

It's the same folks who say "let's try socialism and communism one more time....it'll work this time !!!".

Either that or it's just so fun to be a contrary child, that this is it's own reward, no other reason.

Quote from: AndyJackson on January 22, 2013, 02:04:27 PM
I think there is an element of cognitive failure here.

No matter the proof, data, history, outcomes....they can't / won't grasp it.

It's the same folks who say "let's try socialism and communism one more time....it'll work this time !!!".

Either that or it's just so fun to be a contrary child, that this is it's own reward, no other reason.

I'm not going to waste too much time on Capt Oblivious............

But I'm curious: Does he subscribe to the official position of the Obama administration; and believe that assault weapons should be provided to the Mexican drug cartels, via the US justice dept, and denied to law abiding US citizens?

I doubt he's heard of fast and furious. If he becomes confused, I'll provide links.