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All they need to do is pass any bill then the senate bill will be adopted in conference.

Obama is masterful on this issue. He knows reps want amnesty so bad they can taste it so he  keeps telling the swine reps if they dont  pass it he will do it himself. Obama also knows when reps pass amnesty it will create animosity with the rep base. If these pigs pass amnesty will i bother voting  for them in November? NOPE.

Amnesty! Instant democrat voter! Some people shoot themselves in the foot, the GOP shoots themselves in the head with this brainless idea.

Quote from: tac on April 18, 2014, 05:26:46 AM
Amnesty! Instant democrat voter! Some people shoot themselves in the foot, the GOP shoots themselves in the head with this brainless idea.

Is all about the money!

Money and  cheap labor.

Quote from: dashvinny on April 18, 2014, 06:15:56 AM
Money and  cheap labor.

Heck!  That isn't all either.  I don't want to use that much space here to list all of it but I've got an axe to grind on this.  Not just votes and cheap labor plus money in the pockets of congressional hopefuls either.

How many people do we have in this country that are looking for jobs?  How many of these have given up altogether, not in the official count of the jobless?  How in the world can you collect so called "Penalties" for not having insurance coverage from these people?  How are these jobless people eating?  What is happening to the children of the jobless?  And we're worried about the damned Mexicans?  Puhlease!!

There's got to be a special place prepared in hell for the godless bunch of people that we have in Washington. 

When the 2008 elections were going on, I hated the fact that more emphasis was placed on affordable healthcare for everyone than was placed on creating jobs which, at that time, were being lost by the thousands per week, my company in that bunch.
It didn't all start in 2008, some attributed to the Bush administration but not all.  This was a situation that Oblammer walked in on but definitely one of the main issues that he should have addressed immediately.  But, in every situation confronting Oblammer, he has seemingly put the cart in front of the horse.  In their rush to grant amnesty, this crowd in the WH is creating problems for us already here that will never be resolved.  They can't even take care of the needy here.  They are operating off of borrowed money when they can't squeeze enough out of taxpayers.  Cheaper labor?  More revenue from cheap labor?  Go figure after you take care of their insurance and food, plus housing and transportation.   

Those of you that lost your insurance, plus jobs and maybe even your homes, are all victims of what greed can produce.  Why in the world would more people straighten this mess out?  People that can't even speak our language most of the time.  It is a flat out lie that these folks can adapt to their new culture. 

I substituted in primary and high school during my retirement.  One of my first jobs was at an elementary school in 2003.  The classes were K4 thru 8th grade.  At that time, a new elementary school was being built to accommodate the growing population.  A certain many were transferred to this school from a school that was being turned into a latch-key project.  The class I subbed in one particular day was loaded with latinos and there was one white kid and two blacks in that class, a full class.  Not one of the latinos knew how to speak our language.  This was a K4 class but the teacher that I was helping did not know their language and neither did I.  The teacher in charge told me when I asked her how we were supposed to teach them that "they caught pretty good by watching the other three"(non-Hispanics) in the class.  I almost hit the ceiling.  Later that day, I requested being transferred to the higher grades.  That first class was like a babysitting job, I guessed, so the cheap labor could run their jobs!   Done for now, my nerves won't take much venting.

Quote from: dashvinny on April 18, 2014, 05:06:47 AM
Obama is masterful on this issue.

-Except for one unavoidably-glaring fact:  He/the Dems had a veto-proof supermajority... and they never touched amnesty.  That's a giant 'OOPS' area for 'em.  I've never heard the kimono-wearer even address it.  And the rhetorical popcorn-popper goes into Woodstock-mode whenever somebody reminds Carney of it. 

As for Bumner, he's finished.  I'm pretty-sure the House Majority is being 'run' by 'committee' until November at least... via Cornyn and Cantor, most-likely.

Hello there everyone. I'm a long time lurker of these forums but first time poster.

@keyboarder

I share your sentiment regarding the 2012 presidential elections, it was very disappointing to see how healthcare reform was given more emphasize by the candidates than the state of the economy. Then again, political candidates aren't known for their knowledge of economics and if they had any prolonged discussion on the topic it would quickly become clear just how ignorant they are of the field.

I disagree with you however when you imply that immigrants, lawful or unlawful, are taking the jobs of natives. This simply isn't true. Migrants increase both the supply and demand for labor; in order words they both take and create jobs. Due to the United States' large population size migrants have a relatively small positive effect on the labor market. They don't create as many jobs as migration did when the United States' population was smaller, but their effect is still a net positive for job growth.

Also I must disagree with you on this perception that migrants do not assimilate to American culture. It is true that first generation migrants tend to speak perpetual broken English, but this isn't due to a lack of trying. Languages are best learned when one is young and the brain is a metaphorical sponge. One can try to learn a new language later in life, but only a rare few are capable of becoming fluent at the same level as natives. What is more important is the language acquisition skills of 2nd and 3rd generation migrant descendants. Research on this area has shown that in these latter generations that English becomes the dominant language and that knowledge original language (Spanish in this case) is lost correspondingly.

Contrary to popular belief, migrants today are actually assimilating to use of the English language at a faster rate than earlier migrant waves to the United States. Germans in particular, who first began migrating during the colonial era, continued the use of their language well into the 20th century. Pockets of Texas spoke a german dialect predominantly until WW2. Pennsylvania Dutch, a germanic language, is still spoken among the Amish and similar sub-groups several hundred years after they first migrated to the United States.

Two final notes. Migrants actually make things such as transportation infrastructure since they reduce the marginal amount each tax payer must pay to fund roads and transit. Secondly, as a student of Economics, I take great offense to how desire for 'money' is being looked upon here. The desire for money is itself not sinful. Furthermore the desire for money should be put into context; very few individuals desire money for its own sake. The desire for money is really the desire for the goods and services that money can command. This includes paying for both our own living costs and the living costs of our families. Surely no one here believes it wrong to want to support your family?

Quote from: kit saginaw on April 18, 2014, 10:09:03 AM
-Except for one unavoidably-glaring fact:  He/the Dems had a veto-proof supermajority... and they never touched amnesty.  That's a giant 'OOPS' area for 'em.  I've never heard the kimono-wearer even address it.  And the rhetorical popcorn-popper goes into Woodstock-mode whenever somebody reminds Carney of it. 

As for Bumner, he's finished.  I'm pretty-sure the House Majority is being 'run' by 'committee' until November at least... via Cornyn and Cantor, most-likely.

Eric Cantor is going to make boner look like a great speaker.

Quote from: kit saginaw on April 18, 2014, 10:09:03 AM
-Except for one unavoidably-glaring fact:  He/the Dems had a veto-proof supermajority... and they never touched amnesty.  That's a giant 'OOPS' area for 'em.  I've never heard the kimono-wearer even address it.  And the rhetorical popcorn-popper goes into Woodstock-mode whenever somebody reminds Carney of it. 

As for Bumner, he's finished.  I'm pretty-sure the House Majority is being 'run' by 'committee' until November at least... via Cornyn and Cantor, most-likely.

Agree. With an additional point. He knows quite well it will never happen, but his corporate masters are still demanding he follow through as he's been told to do.
He wants his golden parachute as promised, so if he doesn't push their agenda of cheap labor, he walks away broke with the exception of what he steals from the taxpayers.

Cornyn is another that has to go.

In addition to the harmful impact illegal immigrants have on the economy, they also are taxing our social programs and healthcare to the limit of their capacity. I have read that some hospitals along the Mexican border are closing because they can no longer sustain the monetary losses caused by Mexicans and others from across the southern border coming for free medical care. 

But my basic complaint with illegal immigration is that they are changing the culture of the country.  I personally resent having to punch "Dos" for Spanish every time I make a phone call other than personal calls, of course.   If there is any immigration bill, and I certainly hope their isn't, I would want it to specify that English is the language spoken here and that immigrants must learn to speak it within a certain period of time.  I would want to do away with all signs in Spanish.  In the past, immigrants assimulated with the population, learning English and learning and adhering to our customs.  That is no longer the case.  I don't think Spanish is an inferior language, I just think it is the language spoken south of the border and English is spoken here.

Quote from: Charliemyboy on April 18, 2014, 12:47:58 PM
In addition to the harmful impact illegal immigrants have on the economy, they also are taxing our social programs and healthcare to the limit of their capacity. I have read that some hospitals along the Mexican border are closing because they can no longer sustain the monetary losses caused by Mexicans and others from across the southern border coming for free medical care.

Correction, illegal aliens are only eligible for emergency room treatment.

It is true that migrant population are creating fiscal burdens on municipalities, but it is not due to services rendered to actual migrants but rather services rendered to their children. This isn't unique to the children of migrants; there are similar problems for children of natives as well. The current system redistributes wealth from childless individuals towards families.

What is needed here is for reform in how primary education and basic healthcare services for children is funded and administered. Introducing a voucher system would be a good start towards.

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But my basic complaint with illegal immigration is that they are changing the culture of the country.  I personally resent having to punch "Dos" for Spanish every time I make a phone call other than personal calls, of course.

Small correction, you'd presumably be pushing 'one'. You'd only push 'dos' if you wanted to get instructions in Spanish.

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  If there is any immigration bill, and I certainly hope their isn't, I would want it to specify that English is the language spoken here and that immigrants must learn to speak it within a certain period of time.  I would want to do away with all signs in Spanish.

Why would you want to make language a federal issue? States and commonwealths can and do set their own languages. Puerto Rico may not be a state (yet) but it may soon become the 51st state and its primary language is Spanish. Several states retain historical linguistic minorities, such as the French in Maine and Louisianan or Spanish in New Mexico, Texas, California and the rest of the southwest. Then there are of course the german dialects still spoken by the Amish people, and the indigenous languages of the Indian nations.

English is the de facto language of the United States and the world's lingua franca. This alone is sufficient to encourage migrants to learn the language to the best of their abilities. Few migrants become truly fluent, but this is not due to an unwillingness of their part. Language acquisition is simply difficult after one passes the early years of development. 2nd and 3rd generation descendants of migrants do become fluent in English and largely forget their parent's tongue.

QuoteIn the past, immigrants assimulated with the population, learning English and learning and adhering to our customs.  That is no longer the case.  I don't think Spanish is an inferior language, I just think it is the language spoken south of the border and English is spoken here.

As I've noted, immigrants are actually assimilating quicker today than their older counterparts. The idea that there was a golden age where all migrants came off the boat at Ellis Island with perfect English fluency is a myth. Spanish may be written on in signs around migrant communities, but in the past these signs were written on in Italian, German, and almost every other language you can imagine. It is likely that today's Spanish signs will be replaced with signs in Chinese and Indian languages as migration patterns change.

It is precisely the United States' prior experience with assimilating migrants in the past that has created institutions capable of better assimilating today's migrants.

This is also why migrants in the United States assimilate much faster than Europe or elsewhere in the world. For much of the modern history Europe has been a region of net emigration and has little experience in dealing with new arrivals.

He says this every week...

Quote from: The Boo Man... on April 18, 2014, 01:36:38 PM
He says this every week...

My thoughts exactly. A troll has returned.

He says it because he wants it.