Quote from: dashvinny on April 18, 2014, 02:31:49 PM
He says it because he wants it.

No one doubts that but he has been saying he's going to do it for 2 years and you have been predicting it will happen since last year. It's almost summer and there isn't even a bill to bring to the floor. The 2014 legislative session in half over...

Why can't we just rip-off illegal-immigrants like Mexico does to Hondurans, etc.?   -Take their money at gunpoint, then call-ahead to the checkpoint...  " They still have some money and possessions. "  It can go toward a John-and-Jeb crying-towel fund.   

I know that's meant as sarcasm, but it's just plain silly.  A better solution would be to stop them at the border and have them return from whence they came, with their goods and money or whatever they have.  It really is an insult to your country to say anything so absurd.  Is it your country?  I can't tell by your posts.

Quote from: Bronx on April 19, 2014, 10:49:06 AM

I would love to get a tee shirt like that...very funny.

Quote from: Charliemyboy on April 19, 2014, 06:49:43 AM
I know that's meant as sarcasm, but it's just plain silly.  A better solution would be to stop them at the border and have them return from whence they came, with their goods and money or whatever they have.  It really is an insult to your country to say anything so absurd.  Is it your country?  I can't tell by your posts.

I always cut-right-thru the BS.  If you make the indocumentados fear the border, they'll be less cavalier in crossing the border. 

http://www.examiner.com/article/hypocritical-mexico-is-now-building-their-own-wall-on-border-with-guatemala-press-ignores

Of course, the U.S. press has completely ignored the story...They excoriate Americans for their desire to simply defend their own borders, but give Mexico a pass for building a wall to keep out illegal aliens.

The Mexican-military and all levels of police, including local, are required to enforce immigration-law:

http://www.vdare.com/articles/memo-from-mexico-by-allan-wall-163

The Mexican government, needless to say, is strongly opposed to U.S. police enforcing the immigration law. It could make Mexico's stealth amnesty program, its matricula consular campaign, irrelevant.

So my sarcasm arises from; If Mexico isn't taking any heat from the MSM, logic says we should just copy the way they handle it.  -No amnesty.  Pay the fine.  Apply for a visa.  Wait in-line.

Just like everything else the politicians do, they will time this.

Which means, I don't see this coming up before Nov., 2014 elections.

Obama has no more election worries, so it's no holds barred after that.  But, I don't see it this year.

DaisyJane

Quote from: DaisyJane on April 19, 2014, 04:43:51 PM
Just like everything else the politicians do, they will time this.

Which means, I don't see this coming up before Nov., 2014 elections.

Obama has no more election worries, so it's no holds barred after that.  But, I don't see it this year.

DaisyJane

It's the same thing every cycle. it's not getting done.

Quote from: Michelangelo on April 18, 2014, 10:14:51 AM
Hello there everyone. I'm a long time lurker of these forums but first time poster.

Let's see how this goes...

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@keyboarder

I share your sentiment regarding the 2012 presidential elections, it was very disappointing to see how healthcare reform was given more emphasize by the candidates than the state of the economy.

Incorrect.  There was nothing involving health care reform in 2012.  You are attempting to refer to the ACA scam that influences those with a semi-permeable intellectual filter to reference it as "healthcare reform".  There was nothing involving health care, and nothing about reform.  I understand you are young, but that is not an excuse to no think.

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Then again, political candidates aren't known for their knowledge of economics and if they had any prolonged discussion on the topic it would quickly become clear just how ignorant they are of the field.

I disagree with you however when you imply that immigrants, lawful or unlawful, are taking the jobs of natives. This simply isn't true. Migrants increase both the supply and demand for labor; in order words they both take and create jobs. Due to the United States' large population size migrants have a relatively small positive effect on the labor market. They don't create as many jobs as migration did when the United States' population was smaller, but their effect is still a net positive for job growth.

Wrong.  Swing and miss.

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Also I must disagree with you on this perception that migrants do not assimilate to American culture. It is true that first generation migrants tend to speak perpetual broken English, but this isn't due to a lack of trying. Languages are best learned when one is young and the brain is a metaphorical sponge. One can try to learn a new language later in life, but only a rare few are capable of becoming fluent at the same level as natives. What is more important is the language acquisition skills of 2nd and 3rd generation migrant descendants. Research on this area has shown that in these latter generations that English becomes the dominant language and that knowledge original language (Spanish in this case) is lost correspondingly.

Steeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerike twooooooo...  They have no care for assimilating into our culture, and in fact, bring their 3rd world problems and diseases with them.  Forget about trying to learn English as an adult; how about they start with learning to put the toilet paper in the toilet and flush, instead of tossing in the waste basket?  Can they learn that as an adult?

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Contrary to popular belief, migrants today are actually assimilating to use of the English language at a faster rate than earlier migrant waves to the United States. Germans in particular, who first began migrating during the colonial era, continued the use of their language well into the 20th century. Pockets of Texas spoke a german dialect predominantly until WW2. Pennsylvania Dutch, a germanic language, is still spoken among the Amish and similar sub-groups several hundred years after they first migrated to the United States.

So they can't speak their own language of Spanish, but are picking up English at a nice clip.

If you are trying to be wrong, then you're doing a great job.

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Two final notes. Migrants actually make things such as transportation infrastructure since they reduce the marginal amount each tax payer must pay to fund roads and transit.

I thought your English point above was the stupidest thing I'd hear all day.  You just beat it.

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Secondly, as a student of Economics,

You're not a student.  You are a trained parrot.

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I take great offense to how desire for 'money' is being looked upon here. The desire for money is itself not sinful. Furthermore the desire for money should be put into context; very few individuals desire money for its own sake. The desire for money is really the desire for the goods and services that money can command. This includes paying for both our own living costs and the living costs of our families. Surely no one here believes it wrong to want to support your family?

This is strike 7.... maybe t-ball isn't your sport.

Quote from: taxed on April 20, 2014, 08:19:32 AM
Let's see how this goes...
Incorrect.  There was nothing involving health care reform in 2012.  You are attempting to refer to the ACA scam that influences those with a semi-permeable intellectual filter to reference it as "healthcare reform".  There was nothing involving health care, and nothing about reform.  I understand you are young, but that is not an excuse to no think.
Wrong.  Swing and miss.
Steeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerike twooooooo...  They have no care for assimilating into our culture, and in fact, bring their 3rd world problems and diseases with them.  Forget about trying to learn English as an adult; how about they start with learning to put the toilet paper in the toilet and flush, instead of tossing in the waste basket?  Can they learn that as an adult?
So they can't speak their own language of Spanish, but are picking up English at a nice clip.

If you are trying to be wrong, then you're doing a great job.

I thought your English point above was the stupidest thing I'd hear all day.  You just beat it.

You're not a student.  You are a trained parrot.

This is strike 7.... maybe t-ball isn't your sport.

Michelangelo I think one of the most important things I learned in graduate school was that graduate students always think they have the answer.  Even when they do now know what they are talking about they believe they have the wisdom to see through every problem.   That was over 30 years ago and while you may not understand what I am saying I think that 30 years from now you will.   

There is no way that you could say that immigrants do not take ANY jobs that citizens would have taken.  I am talking illegal immigrants.  Clearly a graduate economists understands what happens when you have an over abundance of supply.  I am not trying to sound like your comments are all wrong as much as I am suggesting that real world experience needs to be learned in places other than a text book or classroom.  I hold a graduate degree but I am not embarrassed to say that  I have been given some great advice and approaches to problems by people that worked for me at the lowest levels.  Theory and calculations are important but where the rubber hits the road often changes the whole plan. 

What Boener is doing is strictly intended to increase the hold he has on to power.  All these theory's about how it is good for this country is absolute rubbish. Now legal immigrants that bring skills and knowledge is another thing. 

I think where our society has gone off the tracks is when it began to believe that you can have it all and that no one needs to experience anything negative.  This concept is wrong in so many ways that if you need an explanation you probably are programed to believe that what I would say is BS. 

Competition is good and moves our society ahead and for it truly to be a competition, someone has to win and someone loses.  If you force the winners to drag the losers with them or their rewards are no better than those who lose even if they lose because of lack of effort the winners will stop trying so hard.

Quote from: raptor5618 on April 21, 2014, 11:24:14 AM
Competition is good and moves our society ahead and for it truly to be a competition, someone has to win and someone loses.  If you force the winners to drag the losers with them or their rewards are no better than those who lose even if they lose because of lack of effort the winners will stop trying so hard.

Trust me you don't have to go to college to learn this.  You should know it before getting out of high school or even before high school. 

Quote from: taxed on April 20, 2014, 08:19:32 AM
Let's see how this goes...
Incorrect.  There was nothing involving health care reform in 2012.  You are attempting to refer to the ACA scam that influences those with a semi-permeable intellectual filter to reference it as "healthcare reform".  There was nothing involving health care, and nothing about reform.  I understand you are young, but that is not an excuse to no think.
Wrong.  Swing and miss.
Steeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerike twooooooo...  They have no care for assimilating into our culture, and in fact, bring their 3rd world problems and diseases with them.  Forget about trying to learn English as an adult; how about they start with learning to put the toilet paper in the toilet and flush, instead of tossing in the waste basket?  Can they learn that as an adult?
So they can't speak their own language of Spanish, but are picking up English at a nice clip.

If you are trying to be wrong, then you're doing a great job.

I thought your English point above was the stupidest thing I'd hear all day.  You just beat it.

You're not a student.  You are a trained parrot.

This is strike 7.... maybe t-ball isn't your sport.