Quote from: DoctorinPA73 on June 29, 2017, 09:19:37 PM
yeah , awful isn't

Al I i am saying it would fix the health care issue- without any doubt. I am not saying it would be easy. the politicians are getting so much money from Big Pharma they will come up with lame excuses on now to do this. Just because its the best( or only) solution, that doesn't mean someone will be rational enough to attempt it.

The only ones who will lose big is some greedy politician getting rick from lobbyists bribes( er I mean donations ) and of course  Big Pharma( and they can still make a profit if they just lower costs-  Merck boardmembers will still make out fine if they have some competition with a govt run pharma co. Everyone else( and I mean EVERYONE else) Will win big with this. People could afford health care, and the rates for the middle class will plummet while still providing decent medicine to the masses

Well it's not just the pill makers.  You also have hospital charging  patients 12 bucks for an aspirin.  They will not let you bring in your Rx's from home, so you paying even more for them in the hospital.

Then you have doctors that you have to pay 150$ for an office call just to get a Rx that you have been taken of 10 to 20 years, every year. 

All the government has done for me is cost me 6000$ more a year. 

Quote from: walkstall on June 29, 2017, 10:30:15 PM

Well it's not just the pill makers.  You also have hospital charging  patients 12 bucks for an aspirin.  They will not let you bring in your Rx's from home, so you paying even more for them in the hospital.

Then you have doctors that you have to pay 150$ for an office call just to get a Rx that you have been taken of 10 to 20 years, every year. 

All the government has done for me is cost me 6000$ more a year.

Yes of course the hospitals and the Drs too but by using my idea, it will take a massive dent out of the health care costs for the american people. If only Trump and other politicians could stand up to the Big Pharma + the lobbyists .

Quote from: DoctorinPA73 on June 29, 2017, 08:32:23 PM
No I figured out exactly how to completely reform health care and actually have it cost less for all citizens

Ready?

Drumroll:

Forget about universal health care - simply create a Government run Pharmaceutical company using fair prices  for all their products which will force Big Pharma like Merck to stop being so greedy and have competitive prices from then on for their products . Theres the solution the Obama Admin couldn't see- well nobody could. Big Pharma is too much of a monopoly .They need stiff competition. Then those Sobs wouldn't  get insanely rich while forcing US citizens to pay for their badly needed medication.

I'm not saying it would be easy (and the GOP gets $$ from Big Pharma ) but think about it- If you were someone in the GOP sold this idea to the public- could you name 1 GOP senator and congressman who would oppose this idea? they would never get elected again if they opposed this idea. 95% of the country would be for it- upper middle and lower classes would love this idea.

This is the best( and ONLY ) solution to health care. Universal Health care could never work in the US. You cant have half the hard working country taking care of the lazy other half. Non sustainable business model.Too many people and illegals here.

This is one of the stupidest posts ever posted on this forum.  It shows that you don't understand free market capitalism.

Quote from: DoctorinPA73 on June 29, 2017, 08:44:16 PM
Normally I would agree, but we tried the free market approach.

You are mistaken because you don't have any understanding of what the free market is.

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Look where it got us- Big Pharma insanely rich and meanwhile patients pay 12 bucks for an aspirin in the hospital.

That's not capitalism.  That's government.

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And there are plenty of profits to be made- I just said fair prices so Big Pharma would have to lower thiers to compete. Big Pharma will still make profits as well as the govt run company.

You really haven't thought this through.

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Biologics such as infliximab(Remicade) cost 18,000/dose. Trust me it doesn't cost that much to make it

Big Pharma is why the ACA- and ANY health care plan is so damn expensive. You have to get to the root cause to fix things- not  force the middle class to pay for the lower classes birth control like Obama did

Obama gave a way the damn store there.

This could work or we can sit around while Big Pharma keeps getting richer and the middle class keeps getting poorer. tick tock tick tock....

I know some people who pay 860 for the ACA health care plan in 2017( up from 560 the year before). Gonna be 1000 bucks next year unless the ACA gets repealed soon.

If free market capitalism doesn't work, then why is it cheaper to pay the doctor in cash when the insurance company is left out?

Quote from: DoctorinPA73 on June 29, 2017, 10:55:28 PM
Yes of course the hospitals and the Drs too but by using my idea, it will take a massive dent out of the health care costs for the american people. If only Trump and other politicians could stand up to the Big Pharma + the lobbyists .

If the drug is so cheap to make, then why is it so expensive?

Quote from: walkstall on June 29, 2017, 09:10:32 PM

There was something sometime back that said what each pill was made of and how much it cost to make.  Q may remember it.

Nope. But isn't it just fascinating how newbies sign in for the topic du jour? You'd think it was some kind of polling outfit taking our pulse....

Quote from: taxed on June 29, 2017, 11:45:04 PM
This is one of the stupidest posts ever posted on this forum.  It shows that you don't understand free market capitalism.

If this is how the admin treats its members, then I wont be spending another moment on this board. You need to grow up. goodbye.Admins are supposed to be calm and rational. Enjoy your nazi board where you attack members just because you disagree with them.

Quote from: DoctorinPA73 on June 30, 2017, 06:32:58 AM
If this is how the admin treats its members, then I wont be spending another moment on this board. You need to grow up. goodbye.Admins are supposed to be calm and rational. Enjoy your nazi board where you attack members just because you disagree with them.

I'm sorry.  Is there anything I can do to make your stay more comfortable?

Quote from: DoctorinPA73 on June 30, 2017, 06:32:58 AM
If this is how the admin treats its members, then I wont be spending another moment on this board. You need to grow up. goodbye.Admins are supposed to be calm and rational. Enjoy your nazi board where you attack members just because you disagree with them.

This is an adult Conservative board not a PC board.  Taxed is being calm, he is the nice one this month.

Quote from: walkstall on June 30, 2017, 06:56:22 AM


This is an adult Conservative board not a PC board.  Taxed is being calm, he is the nice one this month.

He's a sock puppet.  I can't remember his previous name.

Quote from: DoctorinPA73 on June 29, 2017, 08:44:16 PM
Normally I would agree, but we tried the free market approach.

We did have the free Mkt system and it worked just fine, but it changed, and I bet you don't even know why.

Quote from: taxed on June 30, 2017, 06:58:53 AM
He's a sock puppet. I can't remember his previous name.

The word "Nazi" said it all.   

Quote from: walkstall on June 30, 2017, 07:07:52 AM

The word "Nazi" said it all.

Yet they're the socialists who hate Jews... they always walk into that.

Well, that was an interesting and quick exchange.

Quote from: DoctorinPA73 on June 29, 2017, 08:32:23 PM
No I figured out exactly how to completely reform health care and actually have it cost less for all citizens

Ready?

Drumroll:

Forget about universal health care - simply create a Government run Pharmaceutical company using fair prices  for all their products which will force Big Pharma like Merck to stop being so greedy and have competitive prices from then on for their products . Theres the solution the Obama Admin couldn't see- well nobody could. Big Pharma is too much of a monopoly .They need stiff competition. Then those Sobs wouldn't  get insanely rich while forcing US citizens to pay for their badly needed medication.

I'm not saying it would be easy (and the GOP gets $$ from Big Pharma ) but think about it- If you were someone in the GOP sold this idea to the public- could you name 1 GOP senator and congressman who would oppose this idea? they would never get elected again if they opposed this idea. 95% of the country would be for it- upper middle and lower classes would love this idea.

This is the best( and ONLY ) solution to health care. Universal Health care could never work in the US. You cant have half the hard working country taking care of the lazy other half. Non sustainable business model.Too many people and illegals here.

Indeed many countries have government entities to successfully help in one way or another to combat price gouging of healthcare services and drugs.  But what happens if that entity itself becomes corrupt or too big and inefficient as many have rightfully argued with regard to the FDA in this thread?  It then becomes part of the problem or perhaps makes it worse.

Plus a few more points, one - because of corporate lobbying initial adoption of such a model would be hard pressed (it's not about what the people want).  Two - even if relative legislation were to be passed, it can be just as quickly and quietly subverted through subsequent individual lobbying influences.

Finally, as I've asked a few times in this thread as opinions are floated - are there any politicians or movements or introduced bills who are advocating such an approach?

So again, to me the focus comes down to limiting lobbying influence to give such proposed changes a chance.

What is everyone's take at doing this at the constitutional level?  For example what is everyone's opinion of the following movement?

https://movetoamend.org/wethepeopleamendment

Quote from: Jman22 on June 30, 2017, 08:47:15 PM
Well, that was an interesting and quick exchange.

Indeed many countries have government entities to successfully help in one way or another to combat price gouging of healthcare services and drugs.  But what happens if that entity itself becomes corrupt or too big and inefficient as many have rightfully argued with regard to the FDA in this thread?  It then becomes part of the problem or perhaps makes it worse.

Plus a few more points, one - because of corporate lobbying initial adoption of such a model would be hard pressed (it's not about what the people want).  Two - even if relative legislation were to be passed, it can be just as quickly and quietly subverted through subsequent individual lobbying influences.

Finally, as I've asked a few times in this thread as opinions are floated - are there any politicians or movements or introduced bills who are advocating such an approach?

So again, to me the focus comes down to limiting lobbying influence to give such proposed changes a chance.

What is everyone's take at doing this at the constitutional level?  For example what is everyone's opinion of the following movement?

http://www.heritage.org/commentary/want-limit-lobbying-cut-government