I've been saying this for years. Weirdly enough, this article didn't even get any attention till now, more than a decade later.

Barack Obama is a Fabian socialist. I should know; I was raised by one. My Grandfather worked as a union machinist for Ingersoll Rand during the day. In the evenings he tended bar and read books. After his funeral, I went back home and started working my way through his library, starting with T.W. Arnold's The Folklore of Capitalism. This was my introduction to the Fabian socialists.

Fabians believed in gradual nationalization of the economy through manipulation of the democratic process. Breaking away from the violent revolutionary socialists of their day, they thought that the only real way to effect "fundamental change" and "social justice" was through a mass movement of the working classes presided over by intellectual and cultural elites. Before TV it was stage plays, written by George Bernard Shaw and thousands of inferior "realist" playwrights dedicated to social change. John Cusack's character in Woody Allen's "Bullets Over Broadway" captures the movement rather well.

Arnold taught me to question everyone–my president, my priest and my parents. Well, almost everyone. I wasn't supposed to question the Fabian intellectuals themselves. That's the Fabian MO, relentless cultural and journalistic attacks on everything that is, and then a hard pitch for the hope of what might be.

Short read...
https://americanvision.org/1809/barack-obama-fabian-socialist/

Spot on and like most socialist leaders he is making himself rich thanks to capitalism.

I live in New York State. I retired from a career in law enforcement.  Throughout the years I have known a majority of police officers who are  Democrats and I have had engaged in friendly debates with them throughout my career.  While they disagree with their party on most issues dealing with law and order, they simply seem to ignore this and double down on their "yeah but" support of Democrat talking points on virtually everything else.

One of my Lieutenants who was born and raised in Brooklyn, once confided in me that if he were ever to change his politics he would not be welcomed home in his old neighborhood.  We had a good conversation over a few beers and I still remember coming away from this with both a deeper appreciation of why he was a Democrat and pity for him, since I could see that his heart was torn between what he wanted to be free to believe which was in conflict with how he needed to be to be accepted in his family and his 'neighborhood'.  Did I mention he's Irish?  It's the same way with others who grow up in urban environments in neighborhoods where everyone share more with each other's ethnicity than they do with their identity as an American. 

Quote from: wally on April 03, 2019, 05:49:38 AM
I live in New York State. I retired from a career in law enforcement.  Throughout the years I have known a majority of police officers who are  Democrats and I have had engaged in friendly debates with them throughout my career.  While they disagree with their party on most issues dealing with law and order, they simply seem to ignore this and double down on their "yeah but" support of Democrat talking points on virtually everything else.

One of my Lieutenants who was born and raised in Brooklyn, once confided in me that if he were ever to change his politics he would not be welcomed home in his old neighborhood.  We had a good conversation over a few beers and I still remember coming away from this with both a deeper appreciation of why he was a Democrat and pity for him, since I could see that his heart was torn between what he wanted to be free to believe which was in conflict with how he needed to be to be accepted in his family and his 'neighborhood'.  Did I mention he's Irish?  It's the same way with others who grow up in urban environments in neighborhoods where everyone share more with each other's ethnicity than they do with their identity as an American.

Hmm...
My question would be does your family and neighborhood go in with you when you votes? 

Quote from: walkstall on April 03, 2019, 06:07:35 AM

Hmm...
My question would be does your family and neighborhood go in with you when you votes?

Yeah, I'm from a small town in upstate New York and the culture and traditions of the 'neighborhoods' in New York Cities (and other large cities) seem as foreign to me as if they grew up in the ghettos of Old Europe.  As my friend explained to me that they know how you think and since he lives and works upstate every time he "goes home" everyone checks up on him and makes sure that he's still one of us (them).  I think that if one considers this may be the case with all those Americans who live and work or serve in the military in an assimilated society, their roots may remain with very significant ties within their own ethnic communities.

Hell, my ancestors were Scots, so we're most comfortable being around Sheep, so what the hell do I know... 

Quote from: wally on April 03, 2019, 05:49:38 AM
I live in New York State. I retired from a career in law enforcement.  Throughout the years I have known a majority of police officers who are  Democrats and I have had engaged in friendly debates with them throughout my career.  While they disagree with their party on most issues dealing with law and order, they simply seem to ignore this and double down on their "yeah but" support of Democrat talking points on virtually everything else.

One of my Lieutenants who was born and raised in Brooklyn, once confided in me that if he were ever to change his politics he would not be welcomed home in his old neighborhood.  We had a good conversation over a few beers and I still remember coming away from this with both a deeper appreciation of why he was a Democrat and pity for him, since I could see that his heart was torn between what he wanted to be free to believe which was in conflict with how he needed to be to be accepted in his family and his 'neighborhood'.  Did I mention he's Irish?  It's the same way with others who grow up in urban environments in neighborhoods where everyone share more with each other's ethnicity than they do with their identity as an American.

Good point Wally.
Yep, that's why the left has capitalized on identity politics, it works.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on April 02, 2019, 04:22:12 PM
Spot on and like most socialist leaders he is making himself rich thanks to capitalism.

He and every Dim out there share that one quirk. They campaign on helping the little guy as they enrich themselves and no one is allowed to question them as to when enough is enough.
They are all multi millionaires, Bernie has several homes, while most that vote for him have none, even AOC is now a millionaire and she hasn't even been ion office a year.

What's merely something we may see on the history channel to some of us, is a very significant part of the lives of those who grow up in densely populated ethnic neighborhoods. 

German philosophers spilled a whole lot of ink on analyzing the differences of gemeinschaft vs gesellschaft (community vs society).  When one examines the issue of being American who grows up in a homogeneous 'neighborhood' it impacts one's world view and that has far more to do with historical harms to one's people than actual harms that anyone may experience today. It develops an overarching bias which affects a personal's political sympathies.

Quote from: wally on April 03, 2019, 06:36:31 AM
What's merely something we may see on the history channel to some of us, is a very significant part of the lives of those who grow up in densely populated ethnic neighborhoods. 

German philosophers spilled a whole lot of ink on analyzing the differences of gemeinschaft vs gesellschaft (community vs society).  When one examines the issue of being American who grows up in a homogeneous 'neighborhood' it impacts one's world view and that has far more to do with historical harms to one's people than actual harms that anyone may experience today. It develops an overarching bias which affects a personal's political sympathies.

Though I know it happens, it's hard for me to relate. I've seen it in the black community where I grew up, where one speaks out with a differing opinion than the culture dictates, they run the risk of what amounts to as that of attacking a wounded animal within the pack.
Once the first blow is thrown, they all pile on and anything goes, I've observed this on more than several occasions back in the 60s.

The further one removes himself from city life, or group think, the more one becomes independent and free of the oppressive hand of govt which is why the left concentrates on cities and ignore 90% of the US.

Quote from: Solar on April 03, 2019, 06:46:15 AM
Though I know it happens, it's hard for me to relate. I've seen it in the black community where I grew up, where one speaks out with a differing opinion than the culture dictates, they run the risk of what amounts to as that of attacking a wounded animal within the pack.
Once the first blow is thrown, they all pile on and anything goes, I've observed this on more than several occasions back in the 60s.

The further one removes himself from city life, or group think, the more one becomes independent and free of the oppressive hand of govt which is why the left concentrates on cities and ignore 90% of the US.

Following your example, few of those blacks who become part of the 1% who serve and join our military fail to not bond with their fellow service members. When they get back into the same environment from which they came, they are subject to enormous peer pressure.  There are similarities within caucasion ethnic communities, although our culture keeps beating the drum about the evils of slavery, it is far more difficult for a black man to go against the tide. (it occurs to me that it is probably so with Muslim-Americans, who know they better just keep their moths shut and their heads down and act like good old Sgt. Schultz on Hogan's Heroes and "see nothing")

I find the last few posts in this thread quite interesting. I understand people sticking together based on their location and background. However, those feelings can change and I am an example of it. I was raised and always lived in the south. Growing up one could not find a republican with a search warrant, especially in my family. I experienced the transformation of my family and region to republican in the 60's and 70's. At the front end of this transformation it was almost like an underground operation until the democrat party totally abandoned the folks from the south and their core values.

Quote from: supsalemgr on April 03, 2019, 08:06:06 AM
I find the last few posts in this thread quite interesting. I understand people sticking together based on their location and background. However, those feelings can change and I am an example of it. I was raised and always lived in the south. Growing up one could not find a republican with a search warrant, especially in my family. I experienced the transformation of my family and region to republican in the 60's and 70's. At the front end of this transformation it was almost like an underground operation until the democrat party totally abandoned the folks from the south and their core values.

Ronald Reagan once said of his many years spent as a Democrat, "I was once a near hemophiliac Liberal; Bleeding for causes"!  This quote always stuck with me.  Growing up through the sixties and graduating HS in 69 and then going to college, I was effected by everything in the environment.  It took Jimmy Carter to open my eyes.  I was never a Democrat, I had registered Independent, up until Reagan.  I joined the GOP to vote for Reagan in the primary and to vote against George HW Bush and Bob Dole.

Quote from: wally on April 03, 2019, 04:50:34 PM
Ronald Reagan once said of his many years spent as a Democrat, "I was once a near hemophiliac Liberal; Bleeding for causes"!  This quote always stuck with me.  Growing up through the sixties and graduating HS in 69 and then going to college, I was effected by everything in the environment.  It took Jimmy Carter to open my eyes.  I was never a Democrat, I had registered Independent, up until Reagan.  I joined the GOP to vote for Reagan in the primary and to vote against George HW Bush and Bob Dole.

Being that Ca had a closed primary, I was forced to join the Pubs so I could vote against George McGovern,, I didn't like Nixon, but I knew George McGovern was just another died in the wool socialist.
The Dims have always been socialist, it wasn't until Trump won, that they finally showed their true Marxist values. They've always been Fabian socialists, wolves in sheep's clothing, but they threw off the disguise and they want people to know what they are now.

This puts Fuglosi in a serious quandary considering only a third of the party supports her style of crony capitalism, the other two thirds want socialism.
God 2020 is going to be a "Must See TV" moment in history as the party implodes under a landslide Trump win.