I love how the left (NY Slimes) inadvertently exposes the truth about human nature every once and awhile. :cool:
When Are You Really Random? After Age 24
The ability to behave randomly can be a great asset. Think of the mouse trying to outrun a cat — moving in an erratic, unpredictable way makes it harder to catch.
In humans, this sort of behavior is thought to be linked to creativity and cognitive complexity. But understanding the mind's capacity to produce randomness is difficult.
Recently, a team from Europe pitted humans and computers against one another in a series of tasks designed to measure random choice-making. Around age 25, the researchers determined, people are best able to produce a random result.
Traditionally, computational tools for studying random behavior have been limited, according to Hector Zenil, an author of the study, published in PLOS Computational Biology, and a co-leader of the Algorithmic Dynamics Lab at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/science/random-unpredictable-behavior-age-25.html
I work in psychiatry.
FACT> The frontal cortex of the human brain controls judgement capability. The frontal cortex does not fully develop until the age of 25. Most psychiatrists agree it takes another 5 or more years to learn to use the frontal cortex appropriately after it develops.
Quote from: Dr.SwineSmeller on August 26, 2017, 08:38:29 AM
I work in psychiatry.
FACT> The frontal cortex of the human brain controls judgement capability. The frontal cortex does not fully develop until the age of 25. Most psychiatrists agree it takes another 5 or more years to learn to use the frontal cortex appropriately after it develops.
:lol:
That sounds a lot like getting out of college.
The day I started asking questions about my deductions on my pay check.
For me it was the week my father will killed at age 15.
Quote from: walkstall on August 26, 2017, 10:20:22 AM
For me it was the week my father will killed at age 15.
Im sorry for the loss of your father at your young age. Sometimes kids are forced to grow up young. I know your feelings. My 28 year old daughters mom was killed by a dunk driver when she was only 9 years old. Telling her that mom had died was tougher than tough.
Quote from: Dr.SwineSmeller on August 26, 2017, 08:38:29 AM
I work in psychiatry.
FACT> The frontal cortex of the human brain controls judgement capability. The frontal cortex does not fully develop until the age of 25. Most psychiatrists agree it takes another 5 or more years to learn to use the frontal cortex appropriately after it develops.
I guess you could say....."This is a no Brainer?" :biggrin:
OK, I'm going...
Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2017, 10:49:32 AM
I guess you could say....."This is a no Brainer?" :biggrin:
OK, I'm going...
That would fit the bill for sure.
Quote from: Dr.SwineSmeller on August 26, 2017, 08:38:29 AM
I work in psychiatry.
FACT> The frontal cortex of the human brain controls judgement capability. The frontal cortex does not fully develop until the age of 25. Most psychiatrists agree it takes another 5 or more years to learn to use the frontal cortex appropriately after it develops.
No argument, rather a reflection and observation.
Consider a moment, the contributions of the Ancient Greeks to Western Civilization and the World.
* Medicine / Hippocrates.
* Drama, as Comedy and Tragedy, as well as Poetry (which spawned those such as Shakespeare).
* Architecture, among them the Acropolis and the Parthenon.
* Logic and Philosophy.
* Structured Religion in the form of Mythology.
* Political Science which spawned the concept of representative governance in a democratic setting.
* Geometry w/o which spacial dimension and structure in not possible.
* The creation of the perspective of History.
* The basis for Science, exemplified by Biology, Physics, Chemistry(Greek words), among other disciplines.
Average Greeks lived some third of our life span.
Case in point is Alexander the Great, who crushed the Persians under Darius at Gaugemela (Mosul, Iraq) destroying their Empire, then the greatest in the world, in a matter of hours! He was 25 years old!
Apparently the ancient Greeks developed a lot sooner than we do.
Excellent topic. I would say somewhere in the late 20's and I say that simply based on life experiences. I know the there is medical history that says around 25 but I think it could be a little bit sooner and a whole later. There are lot's of variables. Today's kids probably won't think independently until they are in their 50's. It's pbvious they don't think at all now when they are in college.
Quote from: Bronx on August 26, 2017, 10:00:58 AM
The day I started asking questions about my deductions on my pay check.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
So true!
Quote from: Dr.SwineSmeller on August 26, 2017, 08:38:29 AM
I work in psychiatry.
FACT> The frontal cortex of the human brain controls judgement capability. The frontal cortex does not fully develop until the age of 25. Most psychiatrists agree it takes another 5 or more years to learn to use the frontal cortex appropriately after it develops.
... so at the age of 30, the average person should realize Liberalism is illogical, and reason their way out of emotional control to logical control. Explains how it happened with me, during the first term of the Reagan's revolution.
It hit me when I was making Min wage, $1.65. an hour and my check were short a few hours, I was pissed.
Dad said it only gets worse, hide every penny you can, those bastards will steal you blind. He was spot on of course....
I think it was probably 27 for me when I finally finished cooking, there's a lot for a young man focused on poo-tang 24/7 every second of the day, before he finally gets a chance to breathe and start figuring things out on his own.
Seriously, between owning a business and trying to get laid, there wasn't a lot of time for much else. :rolleyes:
Youth is wasted on the young, what a cruel freakin joke. :biggrin:
I believe there is some danger in this as society keeps pushing people to think of themselves as children for longer and longer. A recent survey says that the average millennial doesn't think of themselves as an adult until 30! Juxtapose that with the fact that Pony Express riders were as young as 11. Not that we should want our teenagers to "risk death daily" but it certainly seems back in the day they were able to rise to the challenge when pushed to.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/14747/what-age-do-millennials-consider-themselves-adults-aaron-bandler (http://www.dailywire.com/news/14747/what-age-do-millennials-consider-themselves-adults-aaron-bandler)
(https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/poex/hrs/images/fig4.jpg)
Quote from: JasonTarmon on August 27, 2017, 01:59:42 PM
I believe there is some danger in this as society keeps pushing people to think of themselves as children for longer and longer. A recent survey says that the average millennial doesn't think of themselves as an adult until 30! Juxtapose that with the fact that Pony Express riders were as young as 11. Not that we should want our teenagers to "risk death daily" but it certainly seems back in the day they were able to rise to the challenge when pushed to.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/14747/what-age-do-millennials-consider-themselves-adults-aaron-bandler (http://www.dailywire.com/news/14747/what-age-do-millennials-consider-themselves-adults-aaron-bandler)
(https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/poex/hrs/images/fig4.jpg)
Yep, most had the work ethic instilled the moment they could carry firewood in the winter, milk cows, feed the chickens, butcher them, then work the field as they got stronger, getting off the farm and finding secondary was coming of age.
Today, getting a freakin tatoo for doing nothing, while our generation got one for Military service, just one, anything else was seen as seeking attention, just like the latest gen, "Notice Me, Notice Me" I'm on youtube, I have 5000 like on Faceplant.
Awards for attendance.... :rolleyes:
Point being, these kids have no actual achievements and still living at home, no not all, but a large majority, so finishing cooking is taking a lot longer, if ever actually growing up.
I think its easier to listen to Sean Hannity so i know what to think.
Quote from: ldub23 on August 28, 2017, 06:24:15 PM
I think its easier to listen to Sean Hannity so i know what to think.
:lol:
He'll make you stupid.
Quote from: JasonTarmon on August 27, 2017, 01:59:42 PM
I believe there is some danger in this as society keeps pushing people to think of themselves as children for longer and longer. A recent survey says that the average millennial doesn't think of themselves as an adult until 30! Juxtapose that with the fact that Pony Express riders were as young as 11. Not that we should want our teenagers to "risk death daily" but it certainly seems back in the day they were able to rise to the challenge when pushed to.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/14747/what-age-do-millennials-consider-themselves-adults-aaron-bandler (http://www.dailywire.com/news/14747/what-age-do-millennials-consider-themselves-adults-aaron-bandler)
(https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/poex/hrs/images/fig4.jpg)
I would point out that $25/week was a SHITPOT of money in those days! Average laborer wage back then was something well south of $1/day in the "civilized" east, and it was much less in the wild west, beyond the Mississippi.
I think one of the worst ideas ever -- naturally a product of the great Leftist upheaval of the late 1960s -- is the 26th Amendment, which gives 18-year-old children the same voting rights that I have. The simple 'sound bite' argument then was, "If he's old enough to go to war, he's old enough to vote!" I'm not sure I have the time to disassemble that one, considering the truckloads of blatant stupidity it contains. I'll leave it here -- The necessary skill sets for soldiering and responsible voting are... not quite the same.
Quote from: TboneAgain on August 30, 2017, 05:48:43 PM
I would point out that $25/week was a SHITPOT of money in those days! Average laborer wage back then was something well south of $1/day in the "civilized" east, and it was much less in the wild west, beyond the Mississippi.
I think one of the worst ideas ever -- naturally a product of the great Leftist upheaval of the late 1960s -- is the 26th Amendment, which gives 18-year-old children the same voting rights that I have. The simple 'sound bite' argument then was, "If he's old enough to go to war, he's old enough to vote!" I'm not sure I have the time to disassemble that one, considering the truckloads of blatant stupidity it contains. I'll leave it here -- The necessary skill sets for soldiering and responsible voting are... not quite the same.
...and women. I'd like to run that one back.....
Quote from: taxed on August 30, 2017, 05:53:03 PM
...and women. I'd like to run that one back.....
Exactly. The sound bite argument, which was really rooted in resentment over the draft, fell apart on first glance because it included women, who were never drafted or required to fight. Even looking at men, only about one in five called for examination was actually drafted, and only a small percentage of those were sent overseas (Vietnam at the time). Contrary to popular belief then and now, 2/3 of combat troops sent to Vietnam were volunteer recruits, not draftees.
It is worth noting, and I recently wrote about this, that no one has been drafted since the 26th Amendment went into effect.
Quote from: Solar on August 27, 2017, 07:48:45 AM
It hit me when I was making Min wage, $1.65. an hour and my check were short a few hours, I was pissed.
Dad said it only gets worse, hide every penny you can, those bastards will steal you blind. He was spot on of course....
I think it was probably 27 for me when I finally finished cooking, there's a lot for a young man focused on poo-tang 24/7 every second of the day, before he finally gets a chance to breathe and start figuring things out on his own.
Seriously, between owning a business and trying to get laid, there wasn't a lot of time for much else. :rolleyes:
Youth is wasted on the young, what a cruel freakin joke. :biggrin:
How many times have we said, or thought, "If I knew then, what I know now..."
So many opportunities I walked away from, or should have walked away from.. no, it's the 20-20 vision of history that's a cruel taskmaster.
Like vetting a candidate, If you would have KNOWN they'd become the next RINO.
Why shouldn't we always suspect Marco Rubio, and not trust him?
Can we really think independently if critical facts about history are omitted?
I'm sure Walter Josh would have something pithy to say.
Quote from: Hoofer on September 02, 2017, 07:48:22 AM
How many times have we said, or thought, "If I knew then, what I know now..."
So many opportunities I walked away from, or should have walked away from.. no, it's the 20-20 vision of history that's a cruel taskmaster.
Like vetting a candidate, If you would have KNOWN they'd become the next RINO.
Why shouldn't we always suspect Marco Rubio, and not trust him?
Can we really think independently if critical facts about history are omitted?
I'm sure Walter Josh would have something pithy to say.
Exactly! Age brings Wisdom and intellect, but age also brings on an 'I don't give a shit' attitude, simply because you have more health issue and pains than you have ire for ass hole politicians.
If we were born old and aged young, we'd be in our prime to fight the good battle, but about the time wisdom finally kicks in, about all many of us have left is sitting on the front porch yelling at passing cars to slow down, and for kids to 'stay off my damn lawn!'
It's a wonder the human race actually survived, when one considers, it was the young and stupid that had to face their food head on.
Makes ya wonder if God was actually a woman, playing a cruel joke on men and allowing the women safety as gatherers, and letting the men face food with teeth and claws and the ability to fight back. :biggrin:
How's that one go?
"God made you beautiful, and me stupid, so I'd marry you!" or translated as... "God made you beautiful & stupid so I'd be forced to marry you after I knocked you up." also translated as... "Beer made you beautiful, it was settled via shotgun at the altar."
or is it
"God made look rich, and you stupid to tolerate my farts & marry me!" It's all a blur as I get older.
and my favorite ... "Don't work harder, work smarter"
Took awhile to really figure out what that means: "Become a smart ass comedian & get paid for it to quit working." working on that angle..